The New Birth: Born Again

[BGR]

Your theory is that without the manifestation of tongues, there is no New Birth and no gift of the Holy Spirit. But Acts chapter 2 DISPROVES what you have said. Not one of those three thousands souls was said to have spoken in tongues, yet all of them received the gift of the Holy Ghost. THAT WAS A GUARANTEE to those who repented and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.

THIS VERSE SPEAKS OF WATER BAPTISM: Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. (v 41)

So you are in fact promoting a false doctrine which says that (1) water baptism is for the remission of sins and (2) the gift of the Holy Ghost must be seen as manifested in tongues.

Water baptism is for the remission of sins. John the baptists' baptism was the precursor.

Now let's address speaking in tongues. Here are the scriptures which specifically state they received the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues:

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. [46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


Jesus said to Nicodemus in John Chapter Three (KJV)
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

According to Jesus in Verse 8 (above) just as there is a "sound" associated (or present) with the wind, likewise, there is a "sound" associated (present) when EVERYONE is born of the Spirit.

My question is, What is the SOUND to which Jesus referred?

The preponderance of Scriptural evidence proves to be "Speaking in Tongues as the Spirit of God gives utterance."

By the way, in the settings where it does NOT say one way or the other whether or not they spoke in Tongues should NOT be used to insist they did NOT. Instead, it just doesn't say. I've never had anyone to present Scripture that says someone received the Holy Ghost but did NOT speak in Tongues. If you have any such scripture I would be happy to look at it.

 

[Enoch111]

Water baptism is for the remission of sins.

People should not continue to promote FALSE DOCTRINES even after they have been shown the truth. So, once again water baptism is NOT for the remission of sins. Repentance is for the remission of sins.

LUKE 24: THE WORDS OF CHRIST
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

ACTS 3: THE WORDS OF PETER
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Here is what baptism means (Romans 6):
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Water baptism signifies the metaphorical death, burial, and resurrection of the believer with Christ. It signifies that the believer has repented and has died to his/her old sinful life, and is raised up out of the water to "walk in newness of life".

 

[Enoch111]

Would you like to provide scripture where it says "they received the Holy Ghost but did NOT speak in tongues." If you have any such scripture I would be happy to look at it.

Why don't you provide the Scripture which says that 3,000 saved Jews spoke in tongues on the day of Pentecost? That would have been a truly remarkable phenomenon, and would not have been omitted from Scripture.

It would also have set the stage for all those saved from then on to speak in tongues as soon as they received the Holy Ghost. But the fact of the matter is that countless millions have been saved by grace and never spoken in tongues.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Why don't you provide the Scripture which says that 3,000 saved Jews spoke in tongues on the day of Pentecost? That would have been a truly remarkable phenomenon, and would not have been omitted from Scripture.

It would also have set the stage for all those saved from then on to speak in tongues as soon as they received the Holy Ghost. But the fact of the matter is that countless millions have been saved by grace and never spoken in tongues.

There are also many who believe they are saved, but have never received the power to not sin; thus, they don't have the Holy Spirit.

 

[Enoch111]

There are also many who believe they are saved, but have never received the power to not sin; thus, they don't have the Holy Spirit.

If anyone does not have the Holy Spirit, they cannot claim to be saved. The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.

The Spirit itself [Himself] beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Rom 8:16,17)

 

[BGR]

If anyone does not have the Holy Spirit, they cannot claim to be saved. The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. The Spirit itself [Himself] beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Rom 8:16,17)

All you proved is unsaved people can read scripture.

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

The Lord has not stopped calling.

 

[Truther]

Why don't you provide the Scripture which says that 3,000 saved Jews spoke in tongues on the day of Pentecost? That would have been a truly remarkable phenomenon, and would not have been omitted from Scripture.

It would also have set the stage for all those saved from then on to speak in tongues as soon as they received the Holy Ghost. But the fact of the matter is that countless millions have been saved by grace and never spoken in tongues.

Impossible.

Acts is filled with tongues, but modern churches are mute of tongues.

Evidence of the Holy Ghost was required in Acts for the Apostles to know folks were baptize-able.

The Apostles would have been shocked to have to un-save and re-save folks like we do in modern times.

Crazy stuff going on these days, none resembling Acts.

 

[Nancy]

What the Corinthians were doing was doing their own thing for the whole meeting. So during the message, no one stopped doing their own thing, whether tongues, a prophecy, a song, etc. Complete confusion. They needed to take turns.

On the Day of Pentecost all the believers were speaking in tongues together like a choir. They were all speaking in different languages at the same time, but the Parthians heard only their language, those from Egypt heard only their language, the Cretans heard only their language, etc. IOW they were given supernatural interpretation. When they got to interacting with those around them they found that they weren't the only ones who "heard in their own language." They said, 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? <--- Iv'e been under the impression that those who were told to go up to wait in the upper room to wait for the Holy Spirit the -"11", were praising God in their own language (Hebrew/Aramaic) and the devout Jews from 17 different places, upon hearing the violent noise from Heaven like a rushing wind, drawing them to the house, then hearing their own languages being used to praise God. So, is it in the hearing, or the speaking I wonder?

"The Gentiles at that time heard only gibberish and said they were drunk."

I don't see anything about Gentiles in this verse, like...the first one starts out introducing the 'devout Jews, from every nation under the sun'
5 "Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven."
And then the last verse..."13 But others were mocking and saying, “They are full of sweet wine.” So, if they were not a part of the first group in verse 5, the devout Jews from all over then how and where did they come in?


At the Church on the Way, we only lifted up praise as a congregation/choir on Wednesday night when most everyone was a believer, but Pastor Jack would always explain, though nowadays everyone has heard of speaking in tongues. And it would only be for about 5 minutes. There was no interpretation as it was all praise TO God. If there was a message FROM God, that one person would have waited until a quiet spot in the program and stand up and speak. Then the interpretation would be spoken. You see there is a difference in praise (no interpretation) and messages (interpretation).<---- I don't recall seeing this in scripture...where all use tongues at the same time in a meeting, praising or just speaking in them it would still un-nerve one who is an unbeliever or a weak and un learned brother or sister, possibly pushing them away from The Father rather than drawing them in?


Joel 2 is about not only the Day of Pentecost, the early rain, but also the time close to the second coming (NOW!!!) when the latter rain is poured out. All the Pentecostal denominations and non-denominations started just over a hundred years ago, but not during the middle ages, except devout individuals. <--- I kind of take that literally, not spiritually. God's response to Israel's repentance was "The pastures will become green; the trees will grow and bear fruit . The grains will flourish, and they will have plenty to eat" Joel 2:22-26. "

We are about to enter some perilous times. <--- Yes, for sure. And it's coming like a snowball headed for hell...as the birth pangs of a women in labor. The momentum is speeding up!

Yes, that was a miracle, but I don't believe it was in answer to the Hebrew idiom. They all received divine protection, getting out of jail miraculously, etc. I've received divine protection myself. What I'm saying it is NOT JUST about snakes and poison as some snake-handling churches believe. <--- Yes, I do believe they all received the same Spirit and gifts and power that Paul did. And, I also agree that God does divinely protect us, and if our angels screw up, woe to them!!

Talk to you soon.

On the Day of Pentecost all the believers were speaking in tongues together like a choir. They were all speaking in different languages at the same time, but the Parthians heard only their language, those from Egypt heard only their language, the Cretans heard only their language, etc. IOW they were given supernatural interpretation. When they got to interacting with those around them they found that they weren't the only ones who "heard in their own language." They said, 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? <--- Iv'e been under the impression that those who were told to go up to wait in the upper room to wait for the Holy Spirit the -"11", were praising God in their own language (Hebrew/Aramaic) and the devout Jews from 17 different places, upon hearing the violent noise from Heaven like a rushing wind, drawing them to the house, then hearing their own languages being used to praise God. So, is it in the hearing, or the speaking I wonder?

"The Gentiles at that time heard only gibberish and said they were drunk."

I don't see anything about Gentiles in this verse, like...the first one starts out introducing the 'devout Jews, from every nation under the sun'
5 "Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven."
And then the last verse..."13 But others were mocking and saying, “They are full of sweet wine.” So, if they were not a part of the first group in verse 5, the devout Jews from all over then how and where did they come in?


At the Church on the Way, we only lifted up praise as a congregation/choir on Wednesday night when most everyone was a believer, but Pastor Jack would always explain, though nowadays everyone has heard of speaking in tongues. And it would only be for about 5 minutes. There was no interpretation as it was all praise TO God. If there was a message FROM God, that one person would have waited until a quiet spot in the program and stand up and speak. Then the interpretation would be spoken. You see there is a difference in praise (no interpretation) and messages (interpretation).<---- I don't recall seeing this in scripture...where all use tongues at the same time in a meeting, praising or just speaking in them it would still un-nerve one who is an unbeliever or a weak and un learned brother or sister, possibly pushing them away from The Father rather than drawing them in?


Joel 2 is about not only the Day of Pentecost, the early rain, but also the time close to the second coming (NOW!!!) when the latter rain is poured out. All the Pentecostal denominations and non-denominations started just over a hundred years ago, but not during the middle ages, except devout individuals. <--- I kind of take that literally, not spiritually. God's response to Israel's repentance was "The pastures will become green; the trees will grow and bear fruit . The grains will flourish, and they will have plenty to eat" Joel 2:22-26. "

We are about to enter some perilous times. <--- Yes, for sure. And it's coming like a snowball headed for hell...as the birth pangs of a women in labor. The momentum is speeding up!

Yes, that was a miracle, but I don't believe it was in answer to the Hebrew idiom. They all received divine protection, getting out of jail miraculously, etc. I've received divine protection myself. What I'm saying it is NOT JUST about snakes and poison as some snake-handling churches believe. <--- Yes, I do believe they all received the same Spirit and gifts and power that Paul did. And, I also agree that God does divinely protect us, and if our angels screw up, woe to them!!

Talk to you soon.

Yep, have a good-un :)

 

[Joseph77]

On the Day of Pentecost all the believers were speaking in tongues together like a choir. They were all speaking in different languages at the same time, but the Parthians heard only their language, those from Egypt heard only their language, the Cretans heard only their language, etc.

Were you ever listening to someone in a cafeteria, talking with them, at the same table, in English,
and overheard also in the next table someone speaking Spanish, Japanese, or Chinese ? (or Hebrew!) ?
(I think)
It is not written that they ONLY heard their own language, but that they EACH heard the message in their own language - although I never wondered or checked if they also heard the other speaking also - whether they understood it or not.... ? So then, something to check/ verify....

 

[Joseph77]

For God's Purpose:
Acts , in Expanded Greek Translation >> (verified accurate, tested worldwide)

Acts 2:1-12 (Wuest - The New Testament: An Expanded Translation) And when the day of Pentecost was in process of being fulfilled, they were all together in the same place. 2 And suddenly there came an echoing sound out of heaven as of a wind borne along violently. And it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared to them tongues that had the appearance of fire, these tongues being distributed among them, and one of these tongues took up a position upon each of them. 4 And all were controlled by the Holy Spirit and began to be uttering words in languages different from their own native language and different from those spoken by the others, even as the Spirit kept giving them ability to speak forth, not in words of everyday speech but in words belonging to dignified and elevated discourse. 5 And there were in Jerusalem Jews who were in residence there, devout men who reverenced God, from all nations of those under heaven. 6 Now, when this sound was heard, the multitude came together and was at a loss to understand this, because they were hearing each one of them uttering words in his own dialect. 7 And they were astounded to the point of being beside themselves, and went to wondering, saying, Look. To be sure. Are not all these who are speaking Galilaeans? 8 And as for us, how can it be possible that we are hearing each one in our own private dialect in which we were born, 9 Parthians and Medes, and Elamites, and those who had taken up residence in Mesopotamia, and also in Judaea and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia, 10 also in Phrygia and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, also sojourners from Rome, 11 both Jews and Gentile converts to Judaism, Cretes, and Arabians, we are hearing them uttering in our languages the mighty works of God? 12 And they were all astounded to the point of being beside themselves, and were wholly at a loss what to think, saying one to another, What does this desire to be? ... "

Acts (Wuest - The New Testament: An Expanded Translation)

 

[Truther]

For God's Purpose:
Acts , in Expanded Greek Translation >> (verified accurate, tested worldwide)

Acts 2:1-12 (Wuest - The New Testament: An Expanded Translation) And when the day of Pentecost was in process of being fulfilled, they were all together in the same place. 2 And suddenly there came an echoing sound out of heaven as of a wind borne along violently. And it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared to them tongues that had the appearance of fire, these tongues being distributed among them, and one of these tongues took up a position upon each of them. 4 And all were controlled by the Holy Spirit and began to be uttering words in languages different from their own native language and different from those spoken by the others, even as the Spirit kept giving them ability to speak forth, not in words of everyday speech but in words belonging to dignified and elevated discourse. 5 And there were in Jerusalem Jews who were in residence there, devout men who reverenced God, from all nations of those under heaven. 6 Now, when this sound was heard, the multitude came together and was at a loss to understand this, because they were hearing each one of them uttering words in his own dialect. 7 And they were astounded to the point of being beside themselves, and went to wondering, saying, Look. To be sure. Are not all these who are speaking Galilaeans? 8 And as for us, how can it be possible that we are hearing each one in our own private dialect in which we were born, 9 Parthians and Medes, and Elamites, and those who had taken up residence in Mesopotamia, and also in Judaea and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia, 10 also in Phrygia and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, also sojourners from Rome, 11 both Jews and Gentile converts to Judaism, Cretes, and Arabians, we are hearing them uttering in our languages the mighty works of God? 12 And they were all astounded to the point of being beside themselves, and were wholly at a loss what to think, saying one to another, What does this desire to be? ... "

Acts (Wuest - The New Testament: An Expanded Translation)

Egad!

How awful.

 

[Joseph77]

Those who despise and mock God's Word, it might be better if they were never born...

 

[Truther]

Those who despise and mock God's Word, it might be better if they were never born...

Oh, stop it Moses!

 

[Nancy]

Were you ever listening to someone in a cafeteria, talking with them, at the same table, in English,
and overheard also in the next table someone speaking Spanish, Japanese, or Chinese ? (or Hebrew!) ?
(I think)
It is not written that they ONLY heard their own language, but that they EACH heard the message in their own language - although I never wondered or checked if they also heard the other speaking also - whether they understood it or not.... ? So then, something to check/ verify....

Hi Joseph,
Just so you know, you misquoted. CL posted the above, not me.

 

[Joseph77]

Hi Joseph,
Just so you know, you misquoted. CL posted the above, not me.

Thanks - I did not notice....

 

[Joseph77]

I went back and looked and it is difficult to see where the quote of cl is (where it ends) in your post.

It makes more sense though, and I am relieved - you have not made such errors , in my view,
and
those errors are quite frequent and common for her on other forums and on this one.

 

[CharismaticLady]

<--- Iv'e been under the impression that those who were told to go up to wait in the upper room to wait for the Holy Spirit the -"11", were praising God in their own language (Hebrew/Aramaic) and the devout Jews from 17 different places, upon hearing the violent noise from Heaven like a rushing wind, drawing them to the house, then hearing their own languages being used to praise God. So, is it in the hearing, or the speaking I wonder?

They were speaking in tongues and it was interpreted as praises to God. It just seemed like gibberish to the world, but to each of the devout Jews of different countries, they each HEARD supernaturally the language they were from. Both the speaking and the hearing were supernatural.

I don't see anything about Gentiles in this verse, like...the first one starts out introducing the 'devout Jews, from every nation under the sun'
5 "Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven."
And then the last verse..."13 But others were mocking and saying, “They are full of sweet wine.” So, if they were not a part of the first group in verse 5, the devout Jews from all over then how and where did they come in?

The Jews heard tongues. Non-Jews thought they were drunk. Non-Jews are Gentiles. The gospel was not meant for Gentiles (yet).

<---- I don't recall seeing this in scripture...where all use tongues at the same time in a meeting, praising or just speaking in them it would still un-nerve one who is an unbeliever or a weak and un learned brother or sister, possibly pushing them away from The Father rather than drawing them in?

Acts 2 is where this is in scripture. Along with the apostles there were 120 Christians there speaking in tongues. And they were doing it at the same time. They weren't taking turns. And, yes, the Gentiles mocked, just like 1 Corinthians 14:23.

Joel 2 is about not only the Day of Pentecost, the early rain, but also the time close to the second coming (NOW!!!) when the latter rain is poured out. All the Pentecostal denominations and non-denominations started just over a hundred years ago, but not during the middle ages, except devout individuals. <--- I kind of take that literally, not spiritually. God's response to Israel's repentance was "The pastures will become green; the trees will grow and bear fruit . The grains will flourish, and they will have plenty to eat" Joel 2:22-26. "

What exactly are you taking literally? The rain? Here is another verse you might like to see.

Hosea 6

6 Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
3 Let us know,
Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord.
His going forth is established as the morning;
He will come to us like the rain,
Like the latter and former rain to the earth.

This is talking about Christ. He will come to us like the rain, like the latter and former rain to the earth. Christ comes twice and after His death and resurrection and return to heaven, He sent His Spirit as the early rain to give His Church power. He is coming again, and just like the latter rain, His Spirit has come again as prophesied.

Again in James 5:7
Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain.

James is also talking about the second coming, but the early and latter rain signifies the two comings, not just the second coming.

The early and the latter rain is also about the refreshing.

Acts 3:
18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before,

 

[Davy]

I know what God's word says, and I haven't been taught by man what I believe, as, again, you wrongly assume. (You certainly make a habit out of making a silly goose out of yourself with all these assumptions.) I can't remember, if I ever knew, how you interpret Acts 2 except some error about "cloven" tongues. I would like to know, but if you do not have the fruit of the Holy Spirit and can't act lovingly and state your beliefs, then we have nothing to discuss. I wouldn't be interested in the carnal beliefs of those without the Holy Spirit.

I already asked you why you believe "cloven" tongue is speaking in tongues, which that verse in Acts 2 isn't referring to, because it is the baptism of fire of the Holy Spirit. You never answered me, possibly because you can't admit you made a mistake and grow from it.

My previous post 21 outlines the meaning of the cloven tongue of Pentecost per Acts 2 to show it was dialects of languages the peoples heard the Apostles speak, not some gibberish unknown tongue. Now because I won't play your silly game, you falsely claim I don't have the 'fruit of the Holy Spirit'? Your words are that of a charlatan, a fake, a troll, may God rebuke you.

 

[marksman]

Some people think that they are "born again" the moment they just think in their mind or say under their breathe that they accept the Lord as their personal saviour. POOF! Just like that they have been born again. However if that were the case, then this would have been a strange question to ask...

Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?


What is the New Birth according to the Word of God?

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

According to Jesus' own words in St. John 3:8 there would be a sound associated with every one who is born of the Spirit. And as we will see, the Bible SPECIFICALLY says they spoke in tongues. But before we establish this, I wish to point out that the establishment of 2 or 3 witnesses, is established in the Word of God 2 or 3 times...

Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

1 Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.


Now let the word establish 2 or 3 times receiving the Holy Ghost with the sound associated with every one who is born of the Spirit...

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


At the Birth of the New Testament Church in Acts 2, all the apostles were present when this question was asked them...

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Peter said to:
1. Repent
2. Water Baptism for remission of sins
3. Receive Holy Ghost


The Holy Ghost may be Before "OR" After baptism, but the Birth must still be complete...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

HOLY GHOST AFTER BAPTISM
Acts 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Acts 8:16 "(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the NAME of the Lord Jesus)."
Acts 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

HOLY GHOST BEFORE BAPTISM
Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


Jesus' Water Baptism symbolized Born Again speaking in tongues:

Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: [17] And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1. WATER: Jesus was water baptized by John's remission of sin baptism (although He was sinless).
2. SPIRIT: Descending like a dove.
3. Tongues/Sound Thereof: And lo a voice from heaven.

John 3:5 Jesus explained that the regenerational new birth experience involved water and Spirit. The verse 3:8 movements of the Spirit and wind are hard to predict, yet their "sound" or voice (phōnē) manifests their presence.

Brother, that has been discussed ad infinitum but you are going to find what others have found and that is there are people who will deny any need for water baptism, let alone speaking in tongues.

 

[Davy]

They were speaking in tongues and it was interpreted as praises to God. It just seemed like gibberish to the world, but to each of the devout Jews of different countries, they each HEARD supernaturally the language they were from. Both the speaking and the hearing were supernatural.

It was NOT gibberish, not even for a second. The Acts 2 chapter is clear, those present heard in their OWN DIALECTS of their languages of birth! You can keep denying that in favor of a gibberish unknown tongue that is not in God's Word, but you will be going against God's Word in Acts 2.

The Jews heard tongues. Non-Jews thought they were drunk. Non-Jews are Gentiles. The gospel was not meant for Gentiles (yet).

That is some more of that false traditions of men junk they have taught you, that idea is not written in Acts 2 at all. That is pure supposition. EVERYONE present heard them speak in their OWN dialect of their language of birth. That is what the Greek of Acts 2 shows, as I have already proven in my post #21.

Acts 2 is where this is in scripture. Along with the apostles there were 120 Christians there speaking in tongues. And they were doing it at the same time. They weren't taking turns. And, yes, the Gentiles mocked, just like 1 Corinthians 14:23.

Again, what the peoples (from many different nations) heard were their own languages of birth, and THAT is why they thought it strange how Galilaeans were able to speak their dialects fluently:

Acts 2:6-8
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, "Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?"
KJV

This is talking about Christ. He will come to us like the rain, like the latter and former rain to the earth. Christ comes twice and after His death and resurrection and return to heaven, He sent His Spirit as the early rain to give His Church power. He is coming again, and just like the latter rain, His Spirit has come again as prophesied.

That idea of Christ comes TWICE after His resurrection is NOT written anywhere in God's Word. Once again you have succumbed to men's traditions, which is NOT a show that you listen to The Holy Spirit. Jesus returns only ONCE, and it is immediately after the tribulation like He said in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.