If I'm a sinner how can I be saved?

[Joseph77]

The giving up all is not so easily defined (imo). For instance, although one can give all their goods to feed the poor, even their body to be burned they can still lack one thing. As He said to that rich man ‘one thing thou still lack’.

Just what did Jesus say to the rich man you refer to ?

 

[Renniks]

Fact is, all anti baptismalists pit baptism verses against verses they find that speak of salvation, instead of harmonizing them to work together.

This is a horrendous practice, especially since water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is for the remission of sins per Acts 2:38.

Nope. I don't do that.

 

[amadeus]

you think? so a man can serve both Mammon and Yah then? Or i mean how might you justify that?

In the end he cannot serve both, but along the way he certainly tries, swinging to and fro... to God's side and then back to his own side. This is that double mindedness about which James also writes. If one stays on the road this way indefinitely he will reach the end of the road in the middle and here we see the final result:

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." Rev 3:15-16

How long does a man have to move out of the middle of the road to God's side?

 

[Joseph77]

How long does a man have to move out of the middle of the road to God's side?

Jesus said they may be saved IF they endure TO THE END..... (never , no never, walk away)

 

[amadeus]

And there are "gold and silver" works, and "wood and hay and stubble" works, and
spiritual works and physical works and soulish works (I guess there's all of those and more),
and works destroying the works of the devil (every day),
and works "doing the will of My Father" (every day) ...
oh, that was food... well, works too ?
and how many other times "works" is revealed in the Creator's Word, Plan, Purpose and the future ?

without ever even touching the false gospels of prosperity, works salvation , lordship salvation, and so on...

Without the correct foundation the works of gold, silver, wood, hay or stubble are indeed meaningless to God:

"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." I Cor 3:11

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." Matt 7:24-27

And who is this Rock again?

"He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." Deut 32:4

 

[Joseph77]

"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." I Cor 3:11

Context:
Study Bible
Christ Our Foundation
…11For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw,

his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light.

It will be revealed with fire,

and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work.…
Berean Study Bible · Download

 

[amadeus]

No. saying God is able to overcome his impossible attachment to his possessions.

"And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:26-27

For God it is possible, but how does one get God to do the work for him?

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you" Matt 6:33

And also...

"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you." John 15:5-7

 

[amadeus]

Just talking about "works salvation" which, is wrong...the works come naturally when His Spirit moves us and speaks to our hearts. Sure don't want to give the wrong impression here...

Indeed and no quenching the Spirit allowed!

 

[amadeus]

Context:
Study Bible
Christ Our Foundation
…11For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw,

his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light.

It will be revealed with fire,

and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work.…
Berean Study Bible · Download

Read more carefully that context my friend...

The "fire" will prove nothing with regard to the building even if the building is built using gold bricks upon a foundation of sand, which is washed away by the flood before the fire comes:

"And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." Matt 7:26-27

 

[amadeus]

It's hard for the rich because salvation is a descent not an ascent as many believe

"But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." Luke 14:10-11

 

[Joseph77]

Read more carefully that context my friend...

The "fire" will prove nothing with regard to the building even if the building is built using gold bricks upon a foundation of sand, which is washed away by the flood before the fire comes:

No - read what is written.

Don't go outside what is written to what is not written....

 

[amadeus]

and dont get the wrong impression ok, i am a pillar of salt i guess lol

Do you have a kink in your neck yet?

 

[Joseph77]

Do you have a kink in your neck yet?

If you try to put a kink in salt, it crumbles....

 

[amadeus]

Jesus said they may be saved IF they endure TO THE END..... (never , no never, walk away)

I think you missed the point and the question.

 

[Joseph77]

I think you missed the point and the question.

No, I read it a few times.
I was just going by what is actually written in the Scripture I quoted.

 

[bbyrd009]

so you say, but ill wait for the Quote ok, no offense meant.

I think there is a very specific reason the apostles were not ritually baptized, and wadr your fabrication of their ritual baptism in the absence of any proof does not do them justice maybe. You cant find one, single v about one single apostle getting ritually baptized? And you dont think that is saying something to you, maybe?

^

 

[Joseph77]

^

Jesus DID NOT SAY anything about "ritual" immersion.

He said immersion was "for righteousness sake"....

(or something like that - it might depend quoting one or another versions)

 

[Truther]

Nope. I don't do that.

Good. Now if we can only connect Mark 16:16 with Acts 2:38 we can validate both Jesus and Peter.

 

[Truther]

i think the point is being overlooked, but ty, and have a good day ok
he who digs a pit for others to fall into ends up in it himself

You too my friend.

 

[Nancy]

Indeed and no quenching the Spirit allowed!

Here, here!!! lol. And, Amen...