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When I am attacked or judged I don't believe myself to be wrong. I do believe that those who judge and attacked want to intimidate those who. disagree with them or scare them into believing their way. Intimidation or using scare tactics is part of a brainwashing process. I believe those who use scare tactics or those who try to intimidate those who disagree with them to believe their way I believe are nothing but dictators. God and his Only Begotten Son can judge in such a way that would be just because they can read minds and hearts. Everyone on earth today are imperfect humans who can't read minds and hearts. Leave judging to the True God and the authority to judge he's given his Only Begotten Son
Barney, you have no clue what being attacked on a forum is if you call this "attacking".

I have been threatened physically by preterists for exposing their silly doctrines.

They call me every name in the book they can get away with on a "Christian" forum, yet I simply chuckle at them, then drop more scripture nukes on them as they further flip out.

You have no confidence in your belief system so you cannot chuckle about scriptural arguments.

This makes you defensive and call debating, "intimidation".

Just think if we were discussing this stuff in person, you would either storm out or take a swing at me for a simple controversial chat.

Really, Barney?
 

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Barney, you have no clue what being attacked on a forum is if you call this "attacking".

I have been threatened physically by preterists for exposing their silly doctrines.

They call me every name in the book they can get away with on a "Christian" forum, yet I simply chuckle at them, then drop more scripture nukes on them as they further flip out.

You have no confidence in your belief system so you cannot chuckle about scriptural arguments.

This makes you defensive and call debating, "intimidation".

Just think if we were discussing this stuff in person, you would either storm out or take a swing at me for a simple controversial chat.

Really, Barney?
And each person who did that was wrong for what they did. I too have been attacked by more people in more ways than I can count, and worse offenders are usually by "Christians" trying to get me to "accept Christ like they have".

But it is still wrong for you, or me, or Barney to likewise use these horrible tactics in their extreme form OR the mild ones. Wrong is still wrong.
 

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first thanks for that statement. now as you was speaking of bible accuracy in text. you states that you're born again, that's good.
scripture, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

now truther, the "Lord God" here, is this the Father as many say it is, or is this the Son, take note the angel who was sent to John said the "Lord God of the holy prophets sent him, for in Revelation 1:1 it said, "and he sent and signified it by his angel", who is the "he", or the "his", the Lord God of the holy prophets? meaning the prophets of the old testament also.

now being born again ... of God, who is the Lord God of the Holy prophets here in revelation, WHAT DO YOUR BIBLE SAY?

I'll be looking for your answer.

PICJAG.
God.
 

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I did.

@Truther, my faith & salvation rests in Jesus Christ. He is my Lord & Savior, the everliving Son of God.
Great.

I am glad you obeyed Acts 2:38(baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins) and speak with tongues like Acts teaches.

You are in the bride of Christ with this original process.

Tell a friend.
 

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And each person who did that was wrong for what they did. I too have been attacked by more people in more ways than I can count, and worse offenders are usually by "Christians" trying to get me to "accept Christ like they have".

But it is still wrong for you, or me, or Barney to likewise use these horrible tactics in their extreme form OR the mild ones. Wrong is still wrong.
Arguing is not attacking, Jane Doe.

Don't call 911 with our arguments, okay?

C'mon, sis!
 

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Great.

I am glad you obeyed Acts 2:38(baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins) and speak with tongues like Acts teaches.

You are in the bride of Christ with this original process.

Tell a friend.
I am indeed very honest and open about my faith.

Even when I don't have the same interpretation of somethings as you or Barney or whomever.
Arguing is not attacking, Jane Doe.

Don't call 911 with our arguments, okay?

C'mon, sis!
When a conversation includes any of the following tenets, then it is indeed wrong and sinful:
1) Looking down on another person/group
2) Speaking badly about another person/group
3) Believing you know more about what "Mike" believes that Mike
4) Refusing to listen to "Mike" and learn about what he does believe.
5) Pride in any other way

I've seen each of these done, very very regularly. And I do say something against such wrongful actions. Even if it's directed at a person/group I passionately disagree with (like I passionately disagree with some JW beliefs).
 

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well, well, well, truther, I see you cannot read or you're trying to be evasive, meaning you don't KNOW.... :D I'll take that as you don't KNOW. because I clearly said, "the "Lord God" here, is this the Father as many say it is, or is this the Son". so you had to read it, but you don't KNOW the answer, do you?..... (smile).

But you still step out of the frying pan into the "FIRE". when you said "GOD", here's your MISTAKE, listen, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

you said "GOD" is the Lord God... (smile)...lol, so God here, is the one who sent his angel to John but you are in the fire now, because it is JESUS the Christ who sent his angel to John, lets check the record, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

well, well, well, now truther you have TWO Gods, meaning more than one God, for if God in Revelation 1:1 is ONE "GOD", and Jesus is the Lord GOD who sent his angel now you have two God Truther. (or the God in Revelation 1:1 is the same one Lord God of the Holy Prophets... :eek: ).lets read Revelation 1:1 again and see your two Gods. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, (1 God, the Lord God) which God, (2 Gods), gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

now truther you're in the fire for sure, either the Lord God is the SAME one God .... or you have two Gods.... (smile).

my, my, my, see how Psalms 110:1 is in effect? cain't wait to hear your answer.

PICJAG
 

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Disagreeing is Not Attacking.

The Lowest Deception Repeatedly used on this forum and other medium outlets:

IS making A FALSE MADE-UP Claim about an others Belief...THEN attacking them with Personal Insults...For a Claim they Never Made.

Glory to God,
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Disagreeing is Not Attacking.

The Lowest Deception Repeatedly used on this forum and other medium outlets:

IS making A FALSE MADE-UP Claim about an others Belief...THEN attacking them with Personal Insults...For a Claim they Never Made.

Glory to God,
Taken
I do concur that disagreeing and attacking are two different things.

Which is it when a person is making a claim about what another believes, and doesn't listen/care that it's not accurate? I would say that that's attacking.
 
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well, well, well, truther, I see you cannot read or you're trying to be evasive, meaning you don't KNOW.... :D I'll take that as you don't KNOW. because I clearly said, "the "Lord God" here, is this the Father as many say it is, or is this the Son". so you had to read it, but you don't KNOW the answer, do you?..... (smile).

But you still step out of the frying pan into the "FIRE". when you said "GOD", here's your MISTAKE, listen, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

you said "GOD" is the Lord God... (smile)...lol, so God here, is the one who sent his angel to John but you are in the fire now, because it is JESUS the Christ who sent his angel to John, lets check the record, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

well, well, well, now truther you have TWO Gods, meaning more than one God, for if God in Revelation 1:1 is ONE "GOD", and Jesus is the Lord GOD who sent his angel now you have two God Truther. (or the God in Revelation 1:1 is the same one Lord God of the Holy Prophets... :eek: ).lets read Revelation 1:1 again and see your two Gods. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, (1 God, the Lord God) which God, (2 Gods), gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

now truther you're in the fire for sure, either the Lord God is the SAME one God .... or you have two Gods.... (smile).

my, my, my, see how Psalms 110:1 is in effect? cain't wait to hear your answer.

PICJAG
You still don't understand Col 2:9 do you?

You don't get God is encapsulated inside the omnipresent Jesus, but instead, think Jesus is a mere "act" of God in an action movie.

You keep thinking that when Jesus spoke of his God per Rev 3:12 etc, he was speaking of himself in mystery code.

Jesus can speak as God because he has every bit of what God consists of inside his spirit body.

He can also speak as an individual likewise, because he is a human quickening spirit now.

Unfortunately, you think God was actually Jesus in human role play, putting on an act, or playing a role as an individual son.

God the actor....whoah!

Cecil B. Demilles maybe?
 
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I am indeed very honest and open about my faith.

Even when I don't have the same interpretation of somethings as you or Barney or whomever.

When a conversation includes any of the following tenets, then it is indeed wrong and sinful:
1) Looking down on another person/group
2) Speaking badly about another person/group
3) Believing you know more about what "Mike" believes that Mike
4) Refusing to listen to "Mike" and learn about what he does believe.
5) Pride in any other way

I've seen each of these done, very very regularly. And I do say something against such wrongful actions. Even if it's directed at a person/group I passionately disagree with (like I passionately disagree with some JW beliefs).
You mean you DID NOT obey Acts 2:38???

If not, why not?


Or would you rather me tickle your ears and say..."God is like the hub of a wheel and all belief systems lead to the hub, so don't worry about what you believe, especially that silly Acts 2:38, narrow minded stuff".
 

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Disagreeing is Not Attacking.

The Lowest Deception Repeatedly used on this forum and other medium outlets:

IS making A FALSE MADE-UP Claim about an others Belief...THEN attacking them with Personal Insults...For a Claim they Never Made.

Glory to God,
Taken
lot of that going on
 
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well, well, well, truther, I see you cannot read or you're trying to be evasive, meaning you don't KNOW.... :D I'll take that as you don't KNOW. because I clearly said, "the "Lord God" here, is this the Father as many say it is, or is this the Son". so you had to read it, but you don't KNOW the answer, do you?..... (smile).

But you still step out of the frying pan into the "FIRE". when you said "GOD", here's your MISTAKE, listen, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

you said "GOD" is the Lord God... (smile)...lol, so God here, is the one who sent his angel to John but you are in the fire now, because it is JESUS the Christ who sent his angel to John, lets check the record, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

well, well, well, now truther you have TWO Gods, meaning more than one God, for if God in Revelation 1:1 is ONE "GOD", and Jesus is the Lord GOD who sent his angel now you have two God Truther. (or the God in Revelation 1:1 is the same one Lord God of the Holy Prophets... :eek: ).lets read Revelation 1:1 again and see your two Gods. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, (1 God, the Lord God) which God, (2 Gods), gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

now truther you're in the fire for sure, either the Lord God is the SAME one God .... or you have two Gods.... (smile).

my, my, my, see how Psalms 110:1 is in effect? cain't wait to hear your answer.

PICJAG
So you are denying that God ahd a son, because Jesus inst actually a son but God, there is two streets to this discussion, thats why its a dispute, If Jesus isnt the son than we have to salvation, and God is a liar.

Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Act_13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
 

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You mean you DID NOT obey Acts 2:38???

If not, why not?


Or would you rather me tickle your ears and say..."God is like the hub of a wheel and all belief systems lead to the hub, so don't worry about what you believe, especially that silly Acts 2:38, narrow minded stuff".
I'm all for bringing people to Christ -- that's the highest thing anyone/thing can do.

I am against things which are counter-productive to that goal. Hence why I'm against insults/attacks/"exposing" are doing the exact opposite of that because they just destroy any real conversation potential. You're never going to insult somebody to the point they embrace Christ - but you can quickly drive them away from Christ and Christians with insults & being a charity-less clanging cymbal. Same with all other attacks/"exposing".
 
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I do concur that disagreeing and attacking are two different things.

Which is it when a person is making a claim about what another believes, and doesn't listen/care that it's not accurate?

Lying.
Slandering.


I would say that that's attacking.

It is the name-calling that seems most offensive to some people.

Namecalling is an opinion of the Speaker...
Not Offensive to me. An other person's opinion does not define me. An other person's belief does not define me.

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I'm all for bringing people to Christ -- that's the highest thing anyone/thing can do.

I am against things which are counter-productive to that goal. Hence why I'm against insults/attacks/"exposing" are doing the exact opposite of that because they just destroy any real conversation potential. You're never going to insult somebody to the point they embrace Christ - but you can quickly drive them away from Christ and Christians with insults & being a charity-less clanging cymbal. Same with all other attacks/"exposing".
Oh stop it....

Paul got his head bashed in numerous times telling "offended" folks what they needed to hear.

Being politicaBiblically correct to the masses saves no one.

I have lost count of the souls I led to Christ(via Acts 2:38), and it involved controversy and unrest.
 

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You still don't understand Col 2:9 do you?

You don't get God is encapsulated inside the omnipresent Jesus, but instead, think Jesus is a mere "act" of God in an action movie.

You keep thinking that when Jesus spoke of his God per Rev 3:12 etc, he was speaking of himself in mystery code.

Jesus can speak as God because he has every bit of what God consists of inside his spirit body.

He can also speak as an individual likewise, because he is a human quickening spirit now.

Unfortunately, you think God was actually Jesus in human role play, putting on an act, or playing a role as an individual son.

God the actor....whoah!

Cecil B. Demilles maybe?
GINOLJC, to all,
first thanks for the reply, second, so we can take this as you cannot answer the question. which I knew you could not.
#1. I didn't ask you nothing about Col 2:9. I asked you about Revelation 1:1. if you really knew Col 2:9 you would have no problem answering Revelation 1:1. and your throw off answer put you futher into the fire, listen to what you said, "You don't get God is encapsulated inside the omnipresent Jesus, but instead, think Jesus is a mere "act" of God in an action movie". do you really believe that? God is Jesus, so how can God be encapsulated inside the omnipresent Jesus, when Jesus himself is GOD?

but you cannot answer Revelation 1:1 can you? listen, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him". ok TRUTHER, who is the "Him" that as you said, "God" Gave this Revelation to? remember you said God is, "encapsulated inside the omnipresent Jesus"

so who is the "HIM" truther?

cain't wait to hear this answer..... :D

PICJAG.
 

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GINOLJC, to all,
first thanks for the reply, second, so we can take this as you cannot answer the question. which I knew you could not.
#1. I didn't ask you nothing about Col 2:9. I asked you about Revelation 1:1. if you really knew Col 2:9 you would have no problem answering Revelation 1:1. and your throw off answer put you futher into the fire, listen to what you said, "You don't get God is encapsulated inside the omnipresent Jesus, but instead, think Jesus is a mere "act" of God in an action movie". do you really believe that? God is Jesus, so how can God be encapsulated inside the omnipresent Jesus, when Jesus himself is GOD?

but you cannot answer Revelation 1:1 can you? listen, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him". ok TRUTHER, who is the "Him" that as you said, "God" Gave this Revelation to? remember you said God is, "encapsulated inside the omnipresent Jesus"

so who is the "HIM" truther?

cain't wait to hear this answer..... :D

PICJAG.
Here's what the Bible teaches...

God in(inside) Christ.

You teach God IS Christ(same person).

You deny Col 2:9....period.

You think it is REALLY saying this...

In HIMSELF, dwelleth all the ....

Yep, you are just a wee bit different than your trinitarian cousins, who teach only the 2nd person is Himself in his own body.

You teach the Father has a new human nature attached, and the trins teach the 2nd person has a new human nature attachment.

The RCC gave you and them your beliefs, but yours was modified in the early 1900's....


Also, God gave to Jesus the Rev from within himself.

The Holy Ghost does that to us similarly.
 

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So you are denying that God ahd a son,
I love question like these, NO, not no biologial "Son"... :eek:.
because Jesus inst actually a son but God, there is two streets to this discussion, thats why its a dispute, If Jesus isnt the son than we have to salvation, and God is a liar.
Sorry, if you are misinformed, there is only ONE STREET, listen, the Son of man is the Spirit in the Son of God who was BORN, the Son of Man is NEVER born. do you understand. the son of God is FLESH bone and blood. the Son of man is Spirit. the Son of God came out of Mary. the Son of man came from Heaven. it's seems you're on the wrong street.
understand "Son" here has NO reference to biology... ok.
Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Apparently you have no clue who the Son is, do you? the Son is God himself in Flesh.
Act_13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
it seems like you are thinking that Jesus is a biological son by being begotten? if you think that way then you're lost a three left shoes. begotten is not necessary in reference to sex or biology. it can be spiritual, listen 1 Corinthians 4:15 "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel." or this, 1 Timothy 1:2 "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord." was Paul Timothy father? NO, of course not. but did not Paul begot many? ... in christ Jesus. see you have no understanding what the term "begot", nor what the term "Son" mean.
please look up these words and get the understanding of them.

PICJAG.
 

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"Apparently you have no clue who the Son is, do you? the Son is God himself in Flesh."


Yuck!

The son impregnated his mother.

Disgusting.
 
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