How could the Messiah be sinless?

[Tong2020]

You are pulling JBF up for saying Jesus is God, so denying the Biblical truth that Jesus is "God with us."

Well in heaven's name, who do you think the miracle worker, that raises the dead is?
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God raises the dead.

Tong
R0974

 

[Cooper]

God raises the dead.

Tong
R0974

So who was raising the dead 2000 years ago?

The answer is appropriate to your statement above.
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[justbyfaith]

Well, their misunderstanding of the trinity of God, as a being Tritheism does not change the truth of it. And I don't have any such misconception concerning the truth revealed in scriptures about God regarding the persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Tong
R0971

I do believe that you may indeed have a misconception regarding it; especially if you don't understand the Trinity.

Go to my thread and read at least the first five posts.

True Trinity.

 

[Tong2020]

So who was raising the dead 2000 years ago?

The answer is appropriate to your statement above.
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God.

Tong
R0975

 

[Tong2020]

I do believe that you may indeed have a misconception regarding it; especially if you don't understand the Trinity.

Go to my thread and read at least the first five posts.

True Trinity.

Read it. The same thing you said here in this thread.

Tong
R0976

 

[Cooper]

God.

Tong
R0975

What is the omnipresent God's name on earth?

Remember Trinitarians believe in One God, NOT three as the accusers falsely say.
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[Tong2020]

What is the omnipresent God's name on earth?

Remember Trinitarians believe in One God, NOT three as the accusers falsely say.
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On earth, in the person of the Son, His name is Jesus, the Christ (Messiah).

Tong
R0978

 

[justbyfaith]

On earth, in the person of the Son, His name is Jesus, the Christ (Messiah).

Tong
R0978

And the Person of the Son is the Father come in human flesh (via the hypostatic union).

 

[Truther]

The Bible clearly says that every human will sin someday:

There is no human who does not sin. (1 Kings 8:46)

But then how could the Messiah be sinless?

I would say that the spirit in the Messiah was not a human spirit but the spirit of God. The Spirit of God in the flesh, therefore John 1:1 and 14. But then one asks oneself the question, did the incarnation of the Spirit create another person separated from the father? Should one think that God has begotten a real son? That God has begotten a real son sounds illogical to me, since this would then be a second God, but if the Messiah is the Father, one would have to ask oneself why the Bible constantly separates the Son from the Father.

Jesus was sinless because he had the Holy Ghost without measure and was led by it.

It assisted him to refrain from sinning and to the cross, left him to die then resurrected him from the dead.

He was the example of walking in the Spirit for all to observe.

 

[Tong2020]

And the Person of the Son is the Father come in human flesh (via the hypostatic union).

The person of the Son is not the person of the Father.

Tong
R0979

 

[justbyfaith]

The person of the Son is not the person of the Father.

Tong
R0979

Correct. The Person of the Son is the Person of the Father come in the flesh via the hypostatic union.

The Person of the Father is an eternal Spirit who inhabiteth eternity, Isaiah 57:15.

 

[Cooper]

The person of the Son is not the person of the Father.

Tong
R0979

"The person of the Son is not the person of the Father." (Tong)

Physically that is correct. The Father lacks flesh. However, both are indistinguishable, for whether in heaven or on earth, both are of the same ONE Spirit.

But, being in the flesh, Jesus had the advantage over the Father for His work here on earth. Otherwise, as Father and Son are One in the Spirit, to dismiss the Son is to dismiss the Father, leaving those who do, Godless and without hope.

At this present time, Jesus is preparing a place for those who love and worship Him, the same as he created the Heaven and the Earth. NOT the Father, it is Jesus from beginning to end. He is the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8 see also Micah 5:2.



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[Tong2020]

Correct. The Person of the Son is the Person of the Father come in the flesh via the hypostatic union.

The Person of the Father is an eternal Spirit who inhabiteth eternity, Isaiah 57:15.

Isaiah 57:15 does not mention the person of the Father.

Tong
R0980

 

[Tong2020]

"The person of the Son is not the person of the Father." (Tong)

Physically that is correct. The Father lacks flesh. However, both are indistinguishable, for whether in heaven or on earth, both are of the same ONE Spirit.

But, being in the flesh, Jesus had the advantage over the Father for His work here on earth. Otherwise, as Father and Son are One in the Spirit, to dismiss the Son is to dismiss the Father, leaving those who do, Godless and without hope.

At this present time, Jesus is preparing a place for those who love and worship Him, the same as he created the Heaven and the Earth. NOT the Father, it is Jesus from beginning to end. He is the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8 see also Micah 5:2.



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It's "person" that really is the distinction.

Tong
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[Cooper]

It's "person" that really is the distinction.

Tong
R0981

I can understand there being a problem with the word 'person' I have always thought about the 'presence' of God which is singular and all embracing.

The presence of Jesus is with us wherever we go.
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[justbyfaith]

Isaiah 57:15 does not mention the person of the Father.

Tong
R0980

I simply disagree with you.

Him who inhabiteth eternity is the Father, this is cut and dried.

 

[Tong2020]

I simply disagree with you.

Him who inhabiteth eternity is the Father, this is cut and dried.

Why would you disagree with me when I only pointed out to you the truth that Isaiah 57:15 does not mention the person of the Father?

Tong
R0982

 

[Tong2020]

However, both are indistinguishable, for whether in heaven or on earth, both are of the same ONE Spirit................
.....Father and Son are One in the Spirit,.....

Their distinction is all over scriptures. No Christian would not see that. The Father is distinguished from the Son for example in that, the Father is Him who sent and the Son is Him who was sent. The Father was never sent in scriptures nor was He incarnated. The Father begets the Son, not the other way around. Son was Him who was crucified and not the Father.

The three persons indwell each other in the one being of God. The Father is in the Son; the Son is in the Father; the Father is in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is in the Father; the Son is in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is in the Son. That does not mean however, that the Father is the Son; the Son is the Father; the Father is the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is the Father; the Son is the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is the Son.

Tong
R0983

 

[justbyfaith]

Why would you disagree with me when I only pointed out to you the truth that Isaiah 57:15 does not mention the person of the Father?

Tong
R0982

It does mention the Person of the Father. The Father is "Him who inhabiteth eternity".

You would be more accurate to say that the title of Father is not mentioned.

The Person, however, is mentioned. it is who the verse is speaking of.

 

[justbyfaith]

Their distinction is all over scriptures. No Christian would not see that. The Father is distinguished from the Son for example in that, the Father is Him who sent and the Son is Him who was sent. The Father was never sent in scriptures nor was He incarnated. The Father begets the Son, not the other way around. Son was Him who was crucified and not the Father.

The three persons indwell each other in the one being of God. The Father is in the Son; the Son is in the Father; the Father is in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is in the Father; the Son is in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is in the Son. That does not mean however, that the Father is the Son; the Son is the Father; the Father is the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is the Father; the Son is the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is the Son.

Tong
R0983

The name of the son that was given shall be calld among other things, "the everlasting Father". You have to change the plain rendering of scripture twice to come to any other conclusion except that Jesus is the Father.

Also, there is one Lord in holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5); even the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21). However, no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 12:3); even the Spirit of truth.

And Jesus is the Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6).

Make your own conclusions.