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Keraz

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Paul speaks of two changes. I am not talking about the immortality change. I am talking about the sin nature, incorruptible body change.
Please make your belief clear with scriptural proof texts.
I do not see how these changes can be separated. Yes; we will go into the Millennium, all as Christians under King Jesus. but there will be sin and rebellion again, as Revelation 20:7-10
 

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Obviously, what is prophesied in Revelation from Rev 6:12, has not yet happened. Nothing in the historical record or the Bible relates to what is described.

The end of the world, will happen after the Millennium, when God will Judge all the people who have ever lived. Those whose names are Written in the Book of Life will go with God into Eternity, the godless and wicked people will go into the Lake of Fire. Revelation 20:1-15
I read 'The wars of the Jews' by Josephus and the people that were living in Jerusalem was as close to the prophecy in Revelation as anything that has happen on earth.
 
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Why, I seem to remember Jesus saying He would live in all who believe in Him. I don't think it's about sitting in a chair. Stephen would know more about that also, having seen Jesus standing.
Matthew 10:23 KJV
[23] But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.


Much love!
 

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Yes Job and David and Lazarus, and every person that has ever lived will be there when the prophecy of 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 takes place.
That is because it will happen AFTER the Millennium, proved by how it is only then that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4

The false teaching of a resurrection, of anyone other than the Trib martyrs, Rev 20:4, before the Great White Throne Judgment, is a lie and will never happen.
Even during the Millennium, as Isaiah 65:20 tell us; there will still be death. Immortality is only given to those whose names are found in the Book of Life, that is opened at the GWT, not before!
John 11:26 KJV
[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
 

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I content that the book of Revelation is past, it was relating back to the end of the age of law.

This prophecy is yet to come since the tares are still here.
Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

If you disagree, please explain where the above fits in to prophecy?
John 8:44 KJV
[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Jesus tells us here who the tares are.
 
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John 8:44 KJV
[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Jesus tells us here who the tares are.
You are right. Jesus said they were of the devil. Do you know where these tares are today?
 

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Those are the two aspects of the Resurrection/Rapture which is in fact one event.
Revelation 20 is not the rapture. Those resurrected are dead. They died. It is impossible to resurrect a living being. They have to die first.
 

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I guess building one another is love is defined by you saying im not much of a christian.
Well, at least im not a jerk.
You're a jerk.

Here is the thing tho, if you have a question about the sign we are in, currently that is going to bring the Lord back here soon, you should ask me.
Otherwise, why not do something useful, like log out ?


I am not a "teacher" but I do know how to edify. You are lacking in:
love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

I have yet to read one of your posts (which some IMHO belong on a blog they're so loooong) that does NOT have a nasty flavor to it, as well as a pretty puffed up attitude. You are no better than anyone else and, YOU are not God. Maybe it's time for you to take a step back and open your own eyes to how you treat your brothers and sisters here. "Correction" is something that is to be used with all the fruits attached...there is so very much judging on here and, what makes you think you are the only correct one??
I bet you would not say even half of the things you do on here in real life or, pretty sure you would be avoided like a plague! We ALL want the Truth or, we would not continue to search, knock, seek Him as we do. I do hope someone smacks you with a "nice" stick :)
 
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Please make your belief clear with scriptural proof texts.
I do not see how these changes can be separated. Yes; we will go into the Millennium, all as Christians under King Jesus. but there will be sin and rebellion again, as Revelation 20:7-10
Show me one verse in the OT that says sin will reign in the Millennium. Rebellion will be squashed with the rod of iron. The simple fact is God’s chosen are not resurrected with a sin nature. The tribulation is the end of sin and a sin nature. Will some humans break the law? Will there be those who are considered cursed? Can a carnel mind with a sin nature even comprehend what the Millennium will be like? When Satan is loosed at the end of the 1000 years, there will be many disgruntled humans. They are not perfect beings. The nature of man itself longs for change. That is not the product of sin. That is the drive God implemented. A God who does not change created a reality full of change. Change is not sin.
 

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I am not a "teacher" but I do know how to edify. You are lacking in:
love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.I have yet to read one of your posts (which some IMHO belong on a blog they're so loooong) that does NOT have a nasty flavor to it,

Sometimes you and I have good conversations.
This mostly ended when you became under someone's influence here, some weeks ago.
You chose the wrong side, Nancy.

But i have hope that you will return to the right, and once that happens, if it does....then it'll be the best for all, involved.

Till then, im sure you'll continue to emote all your opinions.
And that is your free will option.
 
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I am not a "teacher" but I do know how to edify. You are lacking in:
love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

I have yet to read one of your posts (which some IMHO belong on a blog they're so loooong) that does NOT have a nasty flavor to it, as well as a pretty puffed up attitude. You are no better than anyone else and, YOU are not God. Maybe it's time for you to take a step back and open your own eyes to how you treat your brothers and sisters here. "Correction" is something that is to be used with all the fruits attached...there is so very much judging on here and, what makes you think you are the only correct one??
I bet you would not say even half of the things you do on here in real life or, pretty sure you would be avoided like a plague! We ALL want the Truth or, we would not continue to search, knock, seek Him as we do. I do hope someone smacks you with a "nice" stick :)
:):p:D:)
 

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I read 'The wars of the Jews' by Josephus and the people that were living in Jerusalem was as close to the prophecy in Revelation as anything that has happen on earth.
What is prophesied is dramatic cosmic and earth shifting things, with deaths worldwide. They have not yet happened.
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Yes I do, for those whose names are Written in the Book of Life. Which is not opened until after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15
Until then, Death continues to be our lot; Hebrews 9:27...we die once and after that we face Judgment. This proves 'soul sleep' - we die and the next conscious instant is when we stand before God on His Great White Throne; AFTER the Millennium.
 

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How many resurrections are yet to come?
There will be four separate resurrections in the future:
1. The Resurrection/Rapture of the Church (1 Cor 15)
2. The resurrection/rapture of the Two Witnesses (Rev 11)
3. The resurrection of the Tribulation saints (Rev 20)
4. The resurrection of the unrighteous dead at the Great White Throne (Rev 20)

Even though Christ spoke of the "last day" and "the hour" when these resurrections would occur, we know that He was speaking metaphorically. He was not actually going into these details.
 

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...bring us to heaven as the Rapturist claim.

Nowhere is heaven mentioned there, or in any other scripture, as the destination for the Lords Christian people.

Ya'll should pay attention.

"You say" Rapturests claim to bring us to Heaven...

No they don't!

"You say" nowhere is Heaven mentioned for the Lords Christian people...

So? Who is claiming they are being taken to Heaven...you are the saying that, then disagreeing with yourself. LOL.

Sheesh!

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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There will be four separate resurrections in the future:
1. The Resurrection/Rapture of the Church (1 Cor 15)
2. The resurrection/rapture of the Two Witnesses (Rev 11)
3. The resurrection of the Tribulation saints (Rev 20)
4. The resurrection of the unrighteous dead at the Great White Throne (Rev 20)

Which one of the 4 resurrections is found in scripture below?

EZEKIEL 37
[3] And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest. [4] Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. [5] Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I WILL CAUSE BREATH TO ENTER INTO YOU, AND YE SHALL LIVE: [6] AND I WILL LAY SINEWS UPON YOU, AND WILL BRING UP FLESH UPON YOU, AND COVER YOU WITH SKIN, AND PUT BREATH IN YOU, AND YE SHALL LIVE; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. [7] So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. [8] And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. [9] Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and BREATHE UPON THESE SLAIN, THAT THEY MAY LIVE.[10] So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the BREATH CAME INTO THEM, AND THEY LIVED, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. [11] Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. [12] Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I WILL OPEN YOUR GRAVES, AND CAUSE YOU TO COME UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES, AND BRING YOU INTO THE LAND OF ISRAEL. [13] And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I HAVE OPENED YOUR GRAVES, O MY PEOPLE, AND BROUGHT YOU UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES, [14] And shall put my spirit in you, and YE SHALL LIVE, AND I SHALL PLACE YOU IN YOUR OWN LAND: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.