The Ten Commandments—What happened?

[justbyfaith]

However, the 10cs have NOTHING to do with our Salvation from the curse of eternal death.

Keeping them is the result of salvation.

I you are thinking I do not know this!
The point is in fact there was confusion. The topic is about what happened.
But the fact is without a doubt, the only laws referred to by God as commandments as in the phrase "Ten Commandment" is in chapter 34. And it is those Commandments that God said He would form a covenant. And it is those commandments that were written on the tablets by Moses.

Consider that in Exodus 34:28, it says that the ten commandments are written on the tablets.

Then, in Deuteronomy 5:22, we find which commandments those are...the ones spoken of directly before the verse.

 

[Grailhunter]

Keeping them is the result of salvation.



Consider that in Exodus 34:28, it says that the ten commandments are written on the tablets.

Then, in Deuteronomy 5:22, we find which commandments those are...the ones spoken of directly before the verse.

However, the 10cs have NOTHING to do with our Salvation from the curse of eternal death.
Keeping them is the result of salvation.

You mean the 14 summaries of laws. lol The Mosaic Law has nothing to do with salvation!

Consider that in Exodus 34:28, it says that the ten commandments are written on the tablets.

Then, in Deuteronomy 5:22, we find which commandments those are...the ones spoken of directly before the verse.

At best you bring up a point of someone referring to the laws in Chapter 20
What I am pointing out is what God Himself refereed to as the Ten Commandments and the Commandments He told Moses to write on the tablets and the commandments that He said that He would use to base the Covenant.
Again know the 613 Mosaic Laws, if you do that you will find the summary of the 14 laws in the body of the Law. And again there were 14 not 10. The people in Deuteronomy got that wrong too.

If your just looking for a list of confusing scriptures and contradiction in the Bible, I have about 250. You can pick between the scriptures but at least be honest with yourself that you picked one that is not directly stated by God.

 

[justbyfaith]

However, the 10cs have NOTHING to do with our Salvation from the curse of eternal death.
Keeping them is the result of salvation.

Therefore they have something to do with it; in that keeping them is the result of salvation.

The people in Deuteronomy got that wrong too.

They got it wrong?

Deuteronomy was inspired by the Holy Ghost (2 Timothy 3:16).

 

[BarneyFife]

Here we go.

 

[Grailhunter]

Therefore they have something to do with it; in that keeping them is the result of salvation.



They got it wrong?
Deuteronomy was inspired by the Holy Ghost (2 Timothy 3:16).

Therefore they have something to do with it; in that keeping them is the result of salvation.
There is no salvation in the Old Testament no proposed path to heaven in the Old Testament. God never offered heaven as a reward or destination in the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy was inspired by the Holy Ghost (2 Timothy 3:16).
Ok I will play along....so was it the Holy Ghost that got it wrong.
Was it the Holy Ghost that corrected God the Father.
Was it the Holy Ghost that created a contradiction?
Did the Ghost say boo and made the men that wrote it get it wrong.

 

[justbyfaith]

There is no salvation in the Old Testament no proposed path to heaven in the Old Testament. God never offered heaven as a reward or destination in the Old Testament.

However, in the new covenant, the law is written on the hearts and minds of new covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6; Romans 5:5)

Ok I will play along....so was it the Holy Ghost that got it wrong.
Was it the Holy Ghost that corrected God the Father.
Was it the Holy Ghost that created a contradiction?
Did the Ghost say boo and made the men that wrote it get it wrong.

The Holy Ghost did not get it wrong...and there is no contradiction. Given time, I can reconcile any apparent contradiction you can show me. Give them to me slow.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Anyone who rejects the Commandments is of Satan.

Jesus never rejected them at all in fact, not one jot, but finished them off with two more that are above all. so without such that he added one has no Grace to understand the true position of the rest in the true perspective.

We that are truly in Christ Jesus do not cast aside the commandments of God at all and only a fool would believe that we follow such like the Jews do, as such is in vain because such as their position lacks Grace.

How about the first Commandment ? if you reject that you are totally lost for a start.

Go and study all of the book of 1 John.

1 John 2:3-4 and hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments 4 He that saith, I know him, and believe not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[justbyfaith]

Anyone who rejects the Commandments is of Satan.

Jesus never rejected them at all in fact, not one jot, but finished them off with two more that are above all. so without such that he added one has no Grace to understand the true position of the rest in the true perspective.

We that are truly in Christ Jesus do not cast aside the commandments of God at all and only a fool would believe that we follow such like the Jews do, as such is in vain because such as their position lacks Grace.

How about the first Commandment ? if you reject that you are totally lost for a start.

Go and study all of the book of 1 John.

1 John 2:3-4 and hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments 4 He that saith, I know him, and believe not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Hi there.

While keeping the commandments will be the result of a genuine faith, our faith must be in Jesus Christ alone and what He did for us on the Cross; never in ourselves and our ability to keep the commandments, or in our performance, or in our law-keeping, or in our works, or in our obedience.

Romans 3:20 and Galatians 2:16 make this clear: that our justification does not come through our works or keeping the law.

We are justified through faith in Jesus' shed blood according to Romans 3:25, Romans 5:1, and Romans 5:9.

I think you might be aware of these things but I also didn't want to take any chances.

Phl 3:1, Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.

 

[Earburner]

Keeping them is the result of salvation.

And what if you don't keep them all?
Surely you don't think that God will forsake you, under His NEW covenant He made with you?

Don't you know, that we all know that you don't keep all the 10cs perfectly, even with Jesus?
And since we all do know that you don't keep all the 10cs verbatim, we also know that we don't either.
Therefore, don't you think that God knows that you and we, all don't keep the Law?

Don't you KNOW Jesus? Or is it that you only know OF Him, and therefore
*He don't KNOW you!

If you don't break the 10cs, don't you know that you are lieing?
So don't be fooling me, don't be fooling yourself, and definitely DON'T fool God!

John 3:18 *Romans 8:8-9.
Evidently, you DON'T know why or how the 5 foolish virgins weren't READY!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You LIE that <Paul said the Law was “ useless”—- it has no Power>. And by your very own admittance you prove your dung a LIE, for Paul said, "The Law was given so that sin might increase” -- WHICH SHOWS YOU THE POWER THE LAW BECAUSE IT IS THE WORD OF GOD, DOES HAVE! Indeed the same Law of God makes your whole remonstrance HERE, sin! God invested the Law of His Word with the power to make it sin - power you wished you had yourself to nullify God's Law with. You don't have it! Will never have it! Cannot ever have it, because you are a transgressor of God's LAW-OF-USEFUL-POWER.

......wow! Don’t bust a vein , my excitable foe....perhaps a “ De-Caf” would be more to your liking....
The Law is “ weak and beggarly” unless you know how to use it—- and you most obviously remain clueless as to the True Purpose Of The Law..... ( a hint—- it was given to show that you can’t keep it! )

 

[justbyfaith]

And what if you don't keep them all?
Surely you don't think that God will forsake you, under His NEW covenant He made with you?

Don't you know, that we all know that you don't keep all the 10cs perfectly, even with Jesus?
And since we all do know that you don't keep all the 10cs verbatim, we also know that we don't either.
Therefore, don't you think that God knows that you and we, all don't keep the Law?

Don't you KNOW Jesus? Or is it that you only know OF Him, and therefore
*He don't KNOW you!

If you don't break the 10cs, don't you know that you are lieing?
So don't be fooling me, don't be fooling yourself, and definitely DON'T fool God!

John 3:18 *Romans 8:8-9.
Evidently, you DON'T know why or how the 5 foolish virgins weren't READY!

Righteousness is imputed to me through faith; that is, the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ. Therefore, I do what is righteous (1 John 3:7). I live according to my new identity given to me through Romans 4:5.

You should know that I preach that if anyone seeks to enter the kingdom through law-keeping, they must keep the law perfectly from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

And that the only other alternative is to have Jesus' perfect life substituted for yours as He took the penalty for your sins and His perfect righteousness is applied to your account.

However, once that righteousness is applied to your account, you are not devoid of the Holy Spirit. For you have received Him by faith (Galatians 3:14).

And if you are born again, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in your heart through the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5).

This love is a practical love (1 John 3:17-18) and is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within you (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4).

You cannot violate the law if you are bearing the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

This is a righteousness of God apart from the law that is attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21).

It comes not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts (crossing your t's and dotting your i's); but through having a relationship with the Holy Spirit wherein you are obedient to the promptings of His love in your life.

In this, Jesus will be living His perfect life in you and through you (Galatians 2:20).

But if you should fail, stumble, or fall, Jesus' grace is there to cover you.

Nevertheless we do not have to stumble or fall (Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10)...we can walk in freedom and victory by the power of the Holy Ghost.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

......wow! Don’t bust a vein , my excitable foe....perhaps a “ De-Caf” would be more to your liking....
The Law is “ weak and beggarly” unless you know how to use it—- and you most obviously remain clueless as to the True Purpose Of The Law..... ( a hint—- it was given to show that you can’t keep it! )

Blasphemy upon blasphemy! Shameless!
FIRST QUOTE SCRIPTURE, NOT YOURSELF!

 

[Earburner]

We ARE sin! We cannot escape ourselves, or our destruction, even if we keep 9 out of 10 commandments perfectly, except one.
To do so, is to have broken them all.
Yes, the 10 commandments are there for our well being, and through us, our neighbor's well being as well, even if he keeps none of them. All of them aid for a civil society and well being of the same.
However, the 10cs have NOTHING to do with our Salvation from the curse of eternal death. Only through belief in Jesus as our Mediator, through His Sacrifice as "the Lamb of God" , shall we receive reconciliation with God the Father. If we don't, we remain to be "condemned already". John 3:18

Righteousness is imputed to me through faith; that is, the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ. Therefore, I do what is righteous (1 John 3:7). I live according to my new identity given to me through Romans 4:5.

You should know that I preach that if anyone seeks to enter the kingdom through law-keeping, they must keep the law perfectly from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

And that the only other alternative is to have Jesus' perfect life substituted for yours as He took the penalty for your sins and His perfect righteousness is applied to your account.

However, once that righteousness is applied to your account, you are not devoid of the Holy Spirit. For you have received Him by faith (Galatians 3:14).

And if you are born again, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in your heart through the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5).

This love is a practical love (1 John 3:17-18) and is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within you (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4).

You cannot violate the law if you are bearing the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

This is a righteousness of God apart from the law that is attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21).

It comes not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts (crossing your t's and dotting your i's); but through having a relationship with the Holy Spirit wherein you are obedient to the promptings of His love in your life.

In this, Jesus will be living His perfect life in you and through you (Galatians 2:20).

But if you should fail, stumble, or fall, Jesus' grace is there to cover you.

Nevertheless we do not have to stumble or fall (Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10)...we can walk in freedom and victory by the power of the Holy Ghost.

AMEN JBF!!
You said everything that I agree with!

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

People who grew up in the 1950's simply never heard the gospel as it is written in holy scripture.

Your right. Billy Graham started preachin in 1947

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

I Actual legalists are few and far between.

Your correct Barn. And the illegalist are "many". Just as the Word said it would be

 

[CadyandZoe]

Sorry, i must disagree, for one of the over-arching impetuses behind the reformation was the principle of faith over works.
Of course, and obviously, morality does not diminish under the New Covenant, so that whatever was inherently moral under the Decalogue, remains as an injunction or precept under the New. That being said, dietary laws or festivals, even circumcision are not mandatory, nor edifying.
As far as the Ten Commandments are concerned, I personally would feel that the Sabbath observance would be abolished, since I find absolutely no intrinsically moral aspect about its regiment.

The point being, The Law made righteous those who followed it while under the Old Law. Today, faith in Christ Jesus is the New Law. So that, to break even a moral injunction from the Decalogue will not disqualify you from God's Kingdom, whereas during the Old Dispensation, it would.
You would be stoned to death, under the auspices of God, if you mowed your lawn in the time of Moses. God would not demand your death, or regard you unfavourably, if you were to cut your lawn on the Sabbath in the current era. Murder He would, but you could still be saved.

I believe the Reformation explored the dichotomy between faith and religion. I believe that a fair examination of the Ten Commandments will reveal that the Decalogue is a matter of faith, not a matter of religion.

With regard to Sabbath observance, remember this important reality. God created the earth in six days and rested on the Seventh day. Today is the sixth day. We have yet to enter the seventh day. Sabbath observance, is the means by which Israel looked forward to the Seventh Day when God will rest. As Paul says in Hebrews, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. @Hebrews 4:9 Resting on the Seventh day of each week anticipates and looks forward to that day in the future when the people of God will find their rest.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

......wow! Don’t bust a vein , my excitable foe....perhaps a “ De-Caf” would be more to your liking....
The Law is “ weak and beggarly” unless you know how to use it—- and you most obviously remain clueless as to the True Purpose Of The Law..... ( a hint—- it was given to show that you can’t keep it! )

Thing is this scripture is NOT talking about the law

GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths or feast days. Its speaking of those who observe times and days.

DEUT.18 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?

2 CHR.33 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

LEV.19 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

Don't you KNOW Jesus? Or is it that you only know OF Him, and therefore
*He don't KNOW you!

MATT.7 [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

PSALMS 119 [113] I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love.[114] Thou art my hiding place and my shield: I hope in thy word.[115] DEPART FROM ME, YE EVILDOERS: for I WILL KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF MY GOD.[116] Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope.

Depart from me! Aint it great how the new verifies the old. Seems there will be many people who will be saying “I believe” when Jesus returns. Who had talked of Jesus and spoke in his name. Some that even have cast out devils in the name of Jesus. But “in that day” Jesus will say to “the many”, depart from me...I never knew you.

1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Theres the people who know God and will recieve the free gift of grace. Once again, the new verifies the old. They that observe to keep Gods 10 commandments. Remember to read the 4th one.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

Only Israel was standing there at Mount Horeb, Only Israel covenanted with God to keep His Law. God only offered this covenant to Israel, and to the point of identifying the 12 tribes individually, and that the Promised Land was to be divided between them. The only gentiles who were included were those who were "naturalized" into Israel. Those who lived among them, and lived as them.

Other than this, is there another way gentiles were or are included in the Old Covenant?

Much love!

Yeah.

EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

We {gentiles}were once STRANGERS from Gods covenants of promise, having no hope. BUT NOW in Christ, should we take hold of those covenants, we have hope

ISAIAH 56 [6] Also the sons of THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVENANT; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.

Heres proof Eph.2 means what it says. Even them (us gentile STRANGERS mentioned in Ephes.2) will He bring to His holy mountain, if we should take hold of His sabbath covenant. Jesus will bring us to the 1000yr period of rest

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

With regard to Sabbath observance, remember this important reality. God created the earth in six days and rested on the Seventh day. Today is the sixth day. We have yet to enter the seventh day. Sabbath observance, is the means by which Israel looked forward to the Seventh Day when God will rest. As Paul says in Hebrews, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. @Hebrews 4:9 Resting on the Seventh day of each week anticipates and looks forward to that day in the future when the people of God will find their rest.

The Seventh Day Hebrews speaks of and your surreal candy and soda <<Seventh Day when God will rest>> have nothing godly in common. Just the fact Hebrews says "rested" but you say <will rest> proves you speak AGAINST GOD AND SCRIPTURE.