Do Catholics Talk to Dead People?

[kcnalp]

Do you need a shovel to dig your way to hell?

You only have insults but no answers.

 

[Grailhunter]

You only have insults but no answers.

I did answer. One shovel and one bottle of Maull's barbecue sauce, coming up!

 

[Truther]

Which saints do Catholics pray to?

Wow, where do I start?...Saint Mary, Joseph, aaaah...

• Saint Anthony, the Patron Saint of lost items, the poor and travelers
• Saint Dymphna, the Patron Saint of those suffering nervous and mental afflictions
• Saint Jude, the Patron Saint of hopeless cases, and in things almost despaired of
• Saint Peregrine, the Patron Saint of all who are afflicted with cancer, foot ailments, or any incurable disease
• Saint Francis, the Patron Saint of animals, merchants and ecology
• The Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus
• Saint Joseph, the Patron Saint of the Universal Church, unborn children, fathers, workers, travelers, immigrants and the dying
• Saint Peter, the Patron Saint of popes, the papacy and fishermen
• Saint Paul, the Patron Saint of writers, publishers and authors
• Saint John, the Patron Saint of tailors, lambs, converts, farriers, baptism and monastic life

Whew!

 

[kcnalp]

Wow, where do I start?...Saint Mary, Joseph, aaaah...

• Saint Anthony, the Patron Saint of lost items, the poor and travelers
• Saint Dymphna, the Patron Saint of those suffering nervous and mental afflictions
• Saint Jude, the Patron Saint of hopeless cases, and in things almost despaired of
• Saint Peregrine, the Patron Saint of all who are afflicted with cancer, foot ailments, or any incurable disease
• Saint Francis, the Patron Saint of animals, merchants and ecology
• The Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus
• Saint Joseph, the Patron Saint of the Universal Church, unborn children, fathers, workers, travelers, immigrants and the dying
• Saint Peter, the Patron Saint of popes, the papacy and fishermen
• Saint Paul, the Patron Saint of writers, publishers and authors
• Saint John, the Patron Saint of tailors, lambs, converts, farriers, baptism and monastic life

Whew!

Do they ever talk back? They're not answering that question either. I guess one did think Mary was talking to him.

 

[Grailhunter]

Wow, where do I start?...Saint Mary, Joseph, aaaah...

• Saint Anthony, the Patron Saint of lost items, the poor and travelers
• Saint Dymphna, the Patron Saint of those suffering nervous and mental afflictions
• Saint Jude, the Patron Saint of hopeless cases, and in things almost despaired of
• Saint Peregrine, the Patron Saint of all who are afflicted with cancer, foot ailments, or any incurable disease
• Saint Francis, the Patron Saint of animals, merchants and ecology
• The Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus
• Saint Joseph, the Patron Saint of the Universal Church, unborn children, fathers, workers, travelers, immigrants and the dying
• Saint Peter, the Patron Saint of popes, the papacy and fishermen
• Saint Paul, the Patron Saint of writers, publishers and authors
• Saint John, the Patron Saint of tailors, lambs, converts, farriers, baptism and monastic life

Whew!

Ya, you forgot St. Christopher the Patron Saint of Travelers and voyages.

 

[Brakelite]

The first ever sermon on what takes place at death....
KJV Genesis 3
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And this has been repeated from pulpits ever since as if it came from a place of authority.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Prove it!

If you don't believe Scripture why on earth would I think you would believe me. I'm in no way better teacher than God. Scripture is from God and you don't believe what he had written down.

 

[Grailhunter]

If you don't believe Scripture why on earth would I think you would believe me. I'm in no way better teacher than God. Scripture is from God and you don't believe what he had written down.

I have already posted scriptures, but you cannot read and I am not a Grammar teacher so I am not going waist my time with someone that cannot read.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

I have already posted scriptures, but you cannot read and I am not a Grammar teacher so I am not going waist my time with someone that cannot read.

There is a difference of what God had written down by his Holy Spirit and your interpretations of what Gods Holy Spirit wrote down. I don't go by your interpretations, I go by what Gods Holy Spirit had written down. True servants of God don't talk to the dead. Scriptures even speak out against speaking to the dead. Why cause it's impossible to talk to the dead, the dead are dead. God doesn't change, what he said was wrong in the past is wrong today. Also in the scriptures you will not find anywhere where it's written down that we have immortal souls. The word soul in the scriptures is talking about what is tangible, mortal, material, not invisible, immortal, or immaterial. Humans and animals are said to be souls in the scriptures. In scripture the word soul is also used as the life that the human or animal has. In the scriptures the word soul is never used in a way that the soul is separate from the body of a human or animal.

 

[Truther]

Do they ever talk back? They're not answering that question either. I guess one did think Mary was talking to him.

Quite an imagination?

 

[Truther]

Ya, you forgot St. Christopher the Patron Saint of Travelers and voyages.

Rats!

 

[Grailhunter]

There is a difference of what God had written down by his Holy Spirit and your interpretations of what Gods Holy Spirit wrote down. I don't go by your interpretations, I go by what Gods Holy Spirit had written down. True servants of God don't talk to the dead. Scriptures even speak out against speaking to the dead. Why cause it's impossible to talk to the dead, the dead are dead. God doesn't change, what he said was wrong in the past is wrong today. Also in the scriptures you will not find anywhere where it's written down that we have immortal souls. The word soul in the scriptures is talking about what is tangible, mortal, material, not invisible, immortal, or immaterial. Humans and animals are said to be souls in the scriptures. In scripture the word soul is also used as the life that the human or animal has. In the scriptures the word soul is never used in a way that the soul is separate from the body of a human or animal.

You are obviously on spinach!

 

[BreadOfLife]

I already knew what you believed it's typical of what Christendom believes. Yes the scriptures teach us that there will be those humans that The True God will choose to be of the heavenly resurrection, who like Jesus when they're resurrected will be given immortality and inherit incorruption. However these will not be the same bodies they had before they died. You honestly believe that the Alostles and disciples of Jesus Christ had immortal incorruptible bodies before they died? No they didn't, so when they are resurrected they are changed. As I said the word Soul has to do with that which is tangible, material, mortal. They are changed into those glorified bodies, it's not the bodies they had before they died. Jesus Christ wasn't resurrected with the same body because the scriptures tell us that when Jesus was resurrected he was given immortality and inherited in corruption. Jesus wasn't immortal nor incorruptible before he sacrificed his life. If he were immortal that would mean he was beyond death. Do you believe Jesus truly died for the world of mankind, because I do. So as I said Jesus was resurrected with a different body than he had before he sacrificed himself for mankind. All this shows that the word soul isn't some invisible immaterial thing inside us that separates at death.
The scripture you quoted regarding revelations, the one thing you must remember concerning revelation is that in the beginning of revelation John tells us:
"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John. So since Revelation is such a symbolic book what does Revelation 6:9-11 mean. Underneath this altar are “the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work that they used to have.” What does this mean? These could not be disembodied souls—like those believed in by the pagan Greeks. (Genesis 2:7; Ezekiel 18:4) Rather, John knows that the soul, or life, is symbolized by the blood, and when the priests at the ancient Jewish tabernacle slaughtered a sacrificial animal, they sprinkled the blood “round about upon the altar” or poured it “at the base of the altar of burnt offering.” (Leviticus 3:2, 8, 13; 4:7; 17:6, 11, 12) Hence, the animal’s soul was closely identified with the altar of sacrifice. But why would the souls, or blood, of these particular servants of God be seen underneath a symbolic altar in heaven? Because their deaths are viewed as sacrificial.

Indeed, all those who are begotten as spirit sons of God die a sacrificial death. Because of the role they are to play in Jehovah’s heavenly Kingdom, it is God’s will that they renounce and sacrifice any hope of life everlasting on earth. In this respect, they submit to a sacrificial death in behalf of Jehovah’s sovereignty. (Philippians 3:8-11; compare 2:17.) This is true in a very real sense of those whom John saw under the altar. They are anointed ones who in their day were martyred for their zealous ministry in upholding Jehovah’s Word and sovereignty. Their “souls [were] slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work [mar·ty·riʹan] that they used to have.”

WHAT are you talking about??

I never said that our glorified bodies were the "same" as our corruptible bodies. As a matter of fact - I said the following:
"The Resurrection of the Dead is the BODILY resurrection where we will get glorified BODIES - like Jesus had when He ascended to the Father (1 Thess. 4:15-17, 1 John 3:2)."

And I never stated that the Apostles had corruptible bodies in Heaven. Their SOULS are in Heaven awaiting their glorified bodies at the Resurrection.

As for the word. "Soul" - this is NOT talking about our tangible, corruptible bodies. It is SPIRITUAL.
Your soul is what gets judged and is either rewarded in Heaven or is condemned to Hell - NOT your body.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It's quite telling that Mary didn't write even one Book in the Christian Bible and yet Catholics pray to her.

We ASK her to pray FOR us.
It's that simple.

By the way - show me a Book in the Bible that Jesus wrote . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Crickets indeed! There is no Bible for praying to sinful humans who have died.

NOBODY in Heaven is a sinner.
They have been made PERFECT in Christ.

NOTHING imperfect can enter Heaven (Rev. 21:27).

PS - YOU pray to living sinners here on earth every time you ask somebody to pray for you.

Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

 

[BreadOfLife]

Why does this question scare Catholics so?
"Which saints do Catholics pray to?"

WHO is "scared" by that question?
@Philip James answered it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Now you're saying Moses and Elijah were dead? Remember you said it! Which dead people do you pray to? Do they talk to you?

Elijah was assumed into Heaven.
Moses DIED and was buried (Deut. 34:5-6).

Question for YOU:
Did Moses SEE and HEAR Jesus at the Transfiguration?
I thought the saints in Heaven were "dead" and couldn't see OR hear us.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

WHAT are you talking about??

I never said that our glorified bodies were the "same" as our corruptible bodies. As a matter of fact - I said the following:
"The Resurrection of the Dead is the BODILY resurrection where we will get glorified BODIES - like Jesus had when He ascended to the Father (1 Thess. 4:15-17, 1 John 3:2)."

And I never stated that the Apostles had corruptible bodies in Heaven. Their SOULS are in Heaven awaiting their glorified bodies at the Resurrection.

As for the word. "Soul" - this is NOT talking about our tangible, corruptible bodies. It is SPIRITUAL.
Your soul is what gets judged and is either rewarded in Heaven or is condemned to Hell - NOT your body.

Jesus was resurrected in the spirit because Jesus knowingly and willfully came to the world of Mankind to sacrificed his human life for the world of mankind. Jesus didn't sacrifice his human life then take that human life back, 1Peter 3:18 tells us he was resurrected a spiritual being. Obviously it was at his resurrection he was given immortality and inherited incorruption. Jesus wasn't ecteresurrd with the same body he had before his death. The New English Bible of 1961 reads at 1Peter 3:18,19- “For Christ also died for our sins once for all. He, the just, suffered for the unjust, to bring us to God. In the body he was put to death; in the spirit, he was brought to life. And in the spirit, he went and made his proclamation to the imprisoned spirits.” Other modern translations of 1 Peter 3:18, 19 read similarly.
So, as regards Jesus’ resurrection, Peter says that “in the spirit, he was brought to life.” This explains why on the resurrection morning when God’s angel rolled the stone from the door of the sepulchre the soldier guards did not see Jesus rise from the dead and come out, although they did see the materialized angel. (Matt. 28:1-4) This explains why, when the resurrected Jesus met two disciples walking that day to Emmaus and went along with them and started to take supper with them, they did not know him until he began to serve the bread; and then he disappeared.—Luke 24:13-35.

This explains why, when the apostles and other disciples were met together in Jerusalem behind closed doors for fear of the fanatical Jews, Jesus must have come right through the walls, he amazingly stood right in among them, and, after eating and talking with them, he vanished from them, but not through any unbolted door. (Luke 24:36-44; John 20:19-24) Of course, for Jesus, who had been brought to life in the spirit, to make himself visible to his disciples, he had to materialize on each occasion a body of flesh and bones. Jesus himself then said: “A spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you behold that I have.” Since the flesh-and-bones disciples could not see what was not flesh and bones, they could not see a spirit and they could not see the resurrected Jesus, who was “in the spirit.”—Luke 24:39.

On some occasions, the disciples did not know or recognize the resurrected Jesus. (Matt. 28:16, 17; Luke 24:15, 16; John 20:14-16; 21:4-12) A careful study of the resurrection appearances makes it clear to the honest investigator, who does not need to be a Sherlock Holmes of a detective, that the resurrected Jesus materialized different bodies to suit the occasion. On at least two occasions he materialized bodies that resembled the one in which he had been nailed to the stake. (Luke 24:38-40; John 20:20-27) On other occasions, the form or shape that he materialized left the disciples in doubt for a while.

Also what you posted about the Soul, wrong. The scriptures show us that bother HUMANS and ANIMALS are SOULS.
The ideas that the English “soul” commonly carries in the minds of most persons are not in agreement with the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words as used by the inspired Bible writers. This fact has steadily gained a wider acknowledgement. Back in 1897, in the Journal of Biblical Literature (Vol. XVI, p. 30), Professor C. A. Briggs, as a result of detailed analysis of the use of neʹphesh, observed: “Soul in English usage at the present time conveys usually a very different meaning from נפש [neʹphesh] in Hebrew, and it is easy for the incautious reader to misinterpret.”

More recently, when The Jewish Publication Society of America issued a new translation of the Torah, or first five books of the Bible, the editor-in-chief, H. M. Orlinsky of Hebrew Union College, stated that the word “soul” had been virtually eliminated from this translation because “the Hebrew word in question here is ‘Nefesh.’” He added: “Other translators have interpreted it to mean ‘soul,’ which is completely inaccurate. The Bible does not say we have a soul. ‘Nefesh’ is the person himself, his need for food, the very blood in his veins, his being.”—The New York Times, October 12, 1962.

The difficulty lies in the fact that the meanings popularly attached to the English word “soul” stem primarily, not from the Hebrew or Christian Greek Scriptures, but from ancient Greek philosophy, actually pagan religious thought. Greek philosopher Plato, for example, quotes Socrates as saying: “The soul, . . . if it departs pure, dragging with it nothing of the body, . . . goes away into that which is like itself, into the invisible, divine, immortal, and wise, and when it arrives there it is happy, free from error and folly and fear . . . and all the other human ills, and . . . lives in truth through all after time with the gods.”—Phaedo, 80, D, E; 81, A.

In direct contrast with the Greek teaching of the psy·kheʹ (soul) as being immaterial, intangible, invisible, and immortal, the Scriptures show that both psy·kheʹ and neʹphesh, as used with reference to earthly creatures, refer to that which is material, tangible, visible, and mortal.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus was resurrected in the spirit because Jesus knowingly and willfully came to the world of Mankind to sacrificed his human life for the world of mankind. Jesus didn't sacrifice his human life then take that human life back, 1Peter 3:18 tells us he was resurrected a spiritual being. Obviously it was at his resurrection he was given immortality and inherited incorruption. Jesus wasn't ecteresurrd with the same body he had before his death. The New English Bible of 1961 reads at 1Peter 3:18,19- “For Christ also died for our sins once for all. He, the just, suffered for the unjust, to bring us to God. In the body he was put to death; in the spirit, he was brought to life. And in the spirit, he went and made his proclamation to the imprisoned spirits.” Other modern translations of 1 Peter 3:18, 19 read similarly.
So, as regards Jesus’ resurrection, Peter says that “in the spirit, he was brought to life.” This explains why on the resurrection morning when God’s angel rolled the stone from the door of the sepulchre the soldier guards did not see Jesus rise from the dead and come out, although they did see the materialized angel. (Matt. 28:1-4) This explains why, when the resurrected Jesus met two disciples walking that day to Emmaus and went along with them and started to take supper with them, they did not know him until he began to serve the bread; and then he disappeared.—Luke 24:13-35.

This explains why, when the apostles and other disciples were met together in Jerusalem behind closed doors for fear of the fanatical Jews, Jesus must have come right through the walls, he amazingly stood right in among them, and, after eating and talking with them, he vanished from them, but not through any unbolted door. (Luke 24:36-44; John 20:19-24) Of course, for Jesus, who had been brought to life in the spirit, to make himself visible to his disciples, he had to materialize on each occasion a body of flesh and bones. Jesus himself then said: “A spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you behold that I have.” Since the flesh-and-bones disciples could not see what was not flesh and bones, they could not see a spirit and they could not see the resurrected Jesus, who was “in the spirit.”—Luke 24:39.

On some occasions, the disciples did not know or recognize the resurrected Jesus. (Matt. 28:16, 17; Luke 24:15, 16; John 20:14-16; 21:4-12) A careful study of the resurrection appearances makes it clear to the honest investigator, who does not need to be a Sherlock Holmes of a detective, that the resurrected Jesus materialized different bodies to suit the occasion. On at least two occasions he materialized bodies that resembled the one in which he had been nailed to the stake. (Luke 24:38-40; John 20:20-27) On other occasions, the form or shape that he materialized left the disciples in doubt for a while.

Also what you posted about the Soul, wrong. The scriptures show us that bother HUMANS and ANIMALS are SOULS.
The ideas that the English “soul” commonly carries in the minds of most persons are not in agreement with the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words as used by the inspired Bible writers. This fact has steadily gained a wider acknowledgement. Back in 1897, in the Journal of Biblical Literature (Vol. XVI, p. 30), Professor C. A. Briggs, as a result of detailed analysis of the use of neʹphesh, observed: “Soul in English usage at the present time conveys usually a very different meaning from נפש [neʹphesh] in Hebrew, and it is easy for the incautious reader to misinterpret.”

More recently, when The Jewish Publication Society of America issued a new translation of the Torah, or first five books of the Bible, the editor-in-chief, H. M. Orlinsky of Hebrew Union College, stated that the word “soul” had been virtually eliminated from this translation because “the Hebrew word in question here is ‘Nefesh.’” He added: “Other translators have interpreted it to mean ‘soul,’ which is completely inaccurate. The Bible does not say we have a soul. ‘Nefesh’ is the person himself, his need for food, the very blood in his veins, his being.”—The New York Times, October 12, 1962.

The difficulty lies in the fact that the meanings popularly attached to the English word “soul” stem primarily, not from the Hebrew or Christian Greek Scriptures, but from ancient Greek philosophy, actually pagan religious thought. Greek philosopher Plato, for example, quotes Socrates as saying: “The soul, . . . if it departs pure, dragging with it nothing of the body, . . . goes away into that which is like itself, into the invisible, divine, immortal, and wise, and when it arrives there it is happy, free from error and folly and fear . . . and all the other human ills, and . . . lives in truth through all after time with the gods.”—Phaedo, 80, D, E; 81, A.

In direct contrast with the Greek teaching of the psy·kheʹ (soul) as being immaterial, intangible, invisible, and immortal, the Scriptures show that both psy·kheʹ and neʹphesh, as used with reference to earthly creatures, refer to that which is material, tangible, visible, and mortal.

Jesus's resurrected body was his glorified flesh. He told His apostles that He was NOT a spirit - bur flesh.
Spirit's don't eat - Jesus DID.
Luke 24:38-39
And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and HE TOOK IT AND ATE BEFORE THEM.

As for what a “soul” is – you are correct about the OT usage. The NT Greek usage, however is starkly different.
Whereas the Hebrew term “nepes” was largely used to describe carnal life in the OT, it was also largely a poetic term.

The Greek word, “psyche” is used to describe carnal life AND spiritual life.
For example, take, take Matt. 10:28, which says:
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body (so’mah) but cannot kill the SOUL (psyche). Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both SOUL and body in hell."

 

[historyb]

He is God of ALL is He not? He decides where the dead spend eternity. Ipso facto He is God of the dead

The Scriptures say God is the God of the living not the dead