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BarneyFife

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Christ is the '""" END OF THE LAW for everyone one that Believes..""""

So, its like this..

God found fault with the 1st Covenant, the Old Testament. Why? Because the Commandments and the Law can't give you any righteousness, and they can't remove "sin consciousness".. They can't resolve your sin issue.

So, God created a "New Testament", and a "New Covenant" that removes the dominion of the law from you, and puts you "under Grace", which deals with your sin issue.
What is Grace?
Its the mercy of God that allows you to become righteous based on the blood of Jesus. = "the GIFT of righteousness".

So then what about the 10 commandments and the 2 that Jesus gave....
They are our moral boundary. They show us where the LINE IS DRAWN. They give us a glimpse of the holiness of God.
What can commandment keeping not do for you? = It can't save you.
Hell is filled with commandment keepers.
Hell is filled with people who tried to live a "moral life based on the bible".

Jesus said : "you MUST be BORN AGAIN".
No one has ever been saved by keeping commandments. If you need saving, it's because you've already broken them, and no amount of commandment-keeping can erase that. It's simple. People make it complicated so they can continue in their sin comfortably.

Joh 3:19-21 EasyEnglish 19 This is why God has already decided to punish some people. It is because light has come into the world. But people did not love the light. They loved the dark instead. That was because they were doing bad things. 20 Everyone who does bad things hates the light. A person like that will not come to the light because he is afraid. He does not want everyone to see that he has done bad things. 21 But every person who obeys everything true comes to the light. So then the light will show that he was doing God’s work. Everyone can see that he was obeying God.
 

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So, you would have christians to be stoned till death?
What did Jesus say to the woman caught in adultery?

Joh 8:10-11 EasyEnglish 10 Jesus stood up. He said to her, ‘Woman, where are they? There seems to be nobody still here who wants to punish you.’ 11 She said, ‘There is nobody, Sir.’ So Jesus said, ‘And I do not want to punish you. Go away and do not do wrong things again.’
 

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What did Jesus say to the woman caught in adultery?

Joh 8:10-11 EasyEnglish 10 Jesus stood up. He said to her, ‘Woman, where are they? There seems to be nobody still here who wants to punish you.’ 11 She said, ‘There is nobody, Sir.’ So Jesus said, ‘And I do not want to punish you. Go away and do not do wrong things again.’

Jesus never said to any person that he would punish them.
Not ever.
Your bible version is junk.
Your theology is worse.
 

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Looks like Jesus to me. So it is you who diminishes Him. I didnt write the bible but i do believe whats written in it. You should try to do the same

HEBREWS 4
[8] For IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.[9] THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST to the people of God.


Yes, the names Joshua and Jesus are interchangeable, but what you are biased about is identifying the Son of God as not giving us rest, instead of the actual individual, Joshua, and talking about the Promised Land. That is not just ignorance, but willful bias against Jesus. You are calling Him a liar when He said "Come unto Me all ye who are heavy laden and I will give you REST." Jesus wasn't in the promised land with Joshua, and the children of Israel rebelled against God. They did not enter into His REST. But now through Jesus we can boldly enter the throne of Grace.
 
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If you read the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, I think beginning at chapter five, Jesus gives us 50 new commandments. So yes, the old commandments were nailed to the cross, and now life with Jesus is much better, for example Jesus would have us care for the sick on the Sabbath. I have them somewhere in my notes, just ask if you would like me to post them.

Yes, the commandments of Jesus go deeper to the core of our being, but what Colossians 2 is actually saying which corresponds to Romans 6 is:

Colossians 2:
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Romans 6:
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

Romans 7:13-14
Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Galatians 3:
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed (Jesus) should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

What I'm trying to say is that the purpose of the Ten Commandments was to show us our sin. Our old nature was contrary to them. It was a struggle to keep from coveting, Romans 7:7, the only commandment taking place on the hidden depths of our inside, and not just outside.

Sin is the reason why Jesus came. Sin separated us from God in the Garden, and Sin was produced in our old sin nature. Jesus came to take the desire to sin out of our nature/the flesh, making us born again of His Spirit. Romans 8:9, to partake of the divine nature of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4. Thus, no sin, no need for the written law to show us sin. The new divine nature does not sin because of God indwelling us

As much as some denominations would like us to believe what the Reformationists taught - that we will always sin until we shed these bodies, a crippling doctrine of demons that isn't true for a Spirit-filled Christian, but is true for those who adhere to impotent doctrines, and live their lives accordingly. The like this verse in John 5:

John 5:24
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

The doctrine of demons says you can sin and not be judged.

The Spirit that makes us born again with a divine nature, does not sin, making John 5:24 true for true Christians. 1 John 3:9; 1 John 5:18. 1 John 3:5.

The eternal law of God that those who had to keep the Ten Commandments with a sinful nature, can now keep the true eternal laws of God of LOVE through Christ. The eternal laws of God from the beginning was to love God with all your heart, mind and body, and love your neighbor as yourself. The Ten Commandments were based on the eternal law, but couldn't make anyone righteous while the sin nature was still alive. It died when it was nailed to the cross.

SDA believe that the Ten Commandments are written on our hearts. They believe in loving God with all our heart, mind and body, and love our neighbor as ourselves, plus outwardly keeping the 7th day Sabbath. So they also believe the commandments of Jesus 1 John 3:23.

According to Romans 14, we all just need to be convinced in our own mind. Adventists MUST keep the Sabbath because it is what they BELIEVE. They also believe in what they call the "health" laws, though they were never for health, but represented those animals that were separated unto God for sacrifices and offerings. To show the separation unto God was the sole reason why there were clean and unclean animals. In fact, the unclean animals were said to represent the pagan Gentiles. We Gentiles are no longer separated from God, and the gospel came to us after God stopped the separation. That is also true for animals. We don't need clean animals for sacrifices and offerings, so the purpose for the clean and unclean distinction is no longer an issue due to the crucifixion of Christ. Adventists still keep the distinction for health reasons, and are known to live 10 years longer than those who don't. Not because they eat clean animals, but because staunch SDAs are vegetarians, going back to the Garden of Eden.

So, even though this is a great subject, it cannot separate us from one another. We are all one in Christ.




cc: @BarnyFife and @Backlit
 
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Where in the Bible does it say that commandments that required stoning are no longer enjoined upon believers? And, by the way, Who do you think gave Moses the commandments? Zeus?
The Mitzvot Laws are the result of many men. The Origins and Use of the 613 Mitzvot - TheTorah.com

The laws and customs of the Land of Israel in Judaism are those Jewish laws that apply only to the Land of Israel.
Laws and customs of the Land of Israel in Judaism - Wikipedia

We can see the nationalistic nature of the laws here. The Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, or any other nation will not follow Jewish Law and neither should they. Worse still, they contravene the Ten Commandments.

Deuteronomy 20:13-20 ISV
(13) The LORD your God will deliver it into your control, and you must execute every male. (Mass murder.)
(14) The women, children, all the livestock in the city, and all of the spoil and plunder will belong to you. Appropriate the spoil of your enemies, which the LORD your God will give you. ("God H430 el-o-heem' Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God.") The Jewish God is a pantheon of several gods.)
(15) Do this to all the cities that are distant from you—that is, to those cities that are not in neighboring nations."
(16) "You are not to leave even one person alive in the cities of these nations that the LORD your God is about to give you as an inheritance.
(17) You must completely destroy the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, just as the LORD your God commanded you, (this is the national God of the Jews. At the time of Moses the LORD was Melchizedek)
(18) so they won't teach you to do all the detestable things that they do for their gods. If you do what they teach you, you will sin against the LORD your God."
(19) "When you attack a city and have to fight against it for many days, don't destroy its trees by cutting them down with an ax. You may eat from them, but you must not cut them down. Are the trees of the field human beings, that you would come and attack them?
(20) However, you may cut down the trees whose fruit you know isn't edible, in order to build siege works against the city that waged war with you, until it falls." (This is the god of war.)
 
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What did Jesus say to the woman caught in adultery?

Joh 8:10-11 EasyEnglish 10 Jesus stood up. He said to her, ‘Woman, where are they? There seems to be nobody still here who wants to punish you.’ 11 She said, ‘There is nobody, Sir.’ So Jesus said, ‘And I do not want to punish you. Go away and do not do wrong things again.’
So, taking our example from Jesus, we do not follow Jewish law.
 
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So, taking our example from Jesus, we do not follow Jewish law.
No; Jesus followed Jewish law, which required that the witnesses to the crime be the first ones to cast a stone in any stoning. Since there were no witnesses left to stone her, Jewish law did not require the death of the adulterous woman.
 
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No; Jesus followed Jewish law, which required that the witnesses to the crime be the first ones to cast a stone in any stoning. Since there were no witnesses left to stone her, Jewish law did not require the death of the adulterous woman.
That changes nothing. Jewish law requires that people caught in adultery are stoned to death.