That's pretty sick. And the 613 figure has been thoroughly debunked.
The Ten Commandments—What happened?
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mailmandan
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In regards to Matthew 5:20 - "unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven," this statement from Jesus would certainly come as a shock to the multitude of people who had great admiration for the Pharisees and teachers of the law for their knowledge of the law and seeming righteousness and holiness in external observance of the law, yet Jesus points out their righteousness was defective.
The righteousness that exceeds the "righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees" (self righteousness) is the righteousness of God which is from God by faith.
Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
Romans 3:21 - But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22
even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference.
Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
I 'liked' this but that doesn't mean I agree on everything with you. o, for what it's worth to you. One never knows with SDA.
The righteousness of God that is apart from the law is a practical righteousness that is attested to by the law and the prophets.
Galatians 5:22-23 shows forth that this righteousness is according to the law (just not by it)...the law testifies that this righteousness is righteousness indeed (Romans 3:21).
Also, it is clear in 1 John 3:7 that those who do what is righteous are righteous, even as Jesus is righteous.
It is an inward cleansing (see 1 John 1:7) that causes us to be able to walk according to the Spirit rather than the flesh.....and the result is that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us. It being fulfilled in us, the inside of the cup and platter is cleansed; and the outside will then be clean also.
God does indeed justify the ungodly. This means that I am given a new identity in Christ, that I am righteous, even when I exhibit ungodly behaviour. The exhortation then is to go and live like my new identity (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).
BOWnQUIVER
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Reminds one of Jesus' judgement on those who claimed, We did this and we did that and we didn't do this and we didn't do that-- never seen you hungry even Lord, or whatever, and then the other bloke who bewailed, O God, be merciful on me, I've never done no good, no not once.
CharismaticLady
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I always wondered about those 613, but then again, Rabbis made up new laws that they themselves couldn't keep. LOL
CharismaticLady
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Actually, from the way you tried to diminish Jesus, when the verse in Hebrews 4 was actually speaking of Joshua in the Old Testament, if I had to guess, I would say you are more like JW.
SDA's would NEVER do that.
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It's highly disputed, but it isn't 613. 613 is the number contained in the Mitzvot, but rabbinical authorities can't even agree on what constitutes a commandment. The situation is a lot like that of Christendom today. No one can agree on more than a few dozen verses in the New Testament.
They can't even agree on what's what in the Torah.
God's Rest is neither a day nor a person, it is His Act through the Person of Jesus Christ "BY THE ALL-SURPASSING GREATNESS OF HIS POWER WHEN - "ON THE SABBATH" - HE RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD" Ephesians 1:19.
CharismaticLady
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Yep. I know no one likes the verses I know to be true. LOL
Yes, as there is no difference between <the hopeless Religion Of Judaism> and the hopeless Religion of 'Christian' self-righteousness.
I don't think it's inaccurate to use the number 613 to speak of the average # of all the laws in the Old Testament; as opposed to the ten written on tablets.
Agreed. If it actually represented an average, but it doesn't, which makes it the opposite of accurate: Inaccurate. But if you only think so, I guess it's ok.
CharismaticLady
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I think what Blood Bought meant by this:
Blood Bought 1953 said: ↑
...Commandments that God knew all along could not be kept.....
is that the Jews still had the sin nature in them. Romans 7:13. The law was holy, but man was carnal since Adam's sin, even with the law, thus the struggle of Romans 7:14-23. The carnal nature was in opposition to the holy law.
That sin nature had to be changed, and the desire to sin eradicated, and that was done through Jesus filling us with His sinless Spirit. Romans 8:1-9, 1 John 3:5-9, and 1 John 5:18. It is called being born again, and Jesus said, "ye MUST be born again." In other words, partake of the divine nature, 2 Peter 1:2-4, and 5-11
The number 613 commandments can be used as a representation of a doctrine; that there are more than just the ten written on stone tablets that we have to deal with, per Galatians 6:13.Agreed. If it actually represented an average, but it doesn't, which makes it the opposite of accurate: Inaccurate. But if you only think so, I guess it's ok.
