The Ten Commandments—What happened?

[justbyfaith]

It is important to notice that Jesus did not say that the law would never pass away. He said it would not pass away till all was fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the law on the cross.

All will not be fulfilled until heaven and earth pass away, according to that scripture.

 

[CharismaticLady]

So Jewish Law has changed?

Are they still stoning today in Jerusalem?

 

[justbyfaith]

It is important to notice that Jesus did not say that the law would never pass away. He said it would not pass away till all was fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the law on the cross.

Jesus fulfilled the law by living a perfect life; and He fulfills the law today by living a perfect life in and through us (Galatians 2:20).

 

[Cooper]

Are they still stoning today in Jerusalem?

So if Jewish law has changed, why follow an obsolete law?

 

[justbyfaith]

OK. But the law of stoning still stands.

It could not be legally carried out because there were not enough witnesses.

So Jesus didn't violate the law in showing mercy to the woman.

It is also true that He Himself was not humanly a witness to the crime (arguments of whether he was omniscient or not aside).

So He could not carry out the stoning Himself, after it became clear that the ones who were seeking to condemn the woman were condemned themselves.

 

[CharismaticLady]

So if Jewish law has changed, why follow an obsolete law?

When the temple was destroyed, they couldn't do many things. What, I don't know. I'm not Jewish.

 

[Cooper]

All will not be fulfilled until heaven and earth pass away, according to that scripture.

Till heaven and earth pass - This expression denotes that the law would never be destroyed until it should be all fulfilled. It is the same as saying everything else may change; the very earth and heaven may pass away, but the law of God shall not be destroyed until its whole design has been accomplished. (Barnes)

Everything was accomplished.

 

[justbyfaith]

The scripture in question teaches that all will not be fulfilled until heaven and earth pass away.

For it is prophesied that heaven and earth shall pass away; and that is a prophecy yet to be fulfilled.

Consider that the law includes the Psalms (John 10:34) and the prophets (1 Corinthians 14:21).

So the law will not be fulfilled until what is written in the prophets is completely fulfilled.

 

[Cooper]

When the temple was destroyed, they couldn't do many things. What, I don't know. I'm not Jewish.

The law ended with the resurrection of Christ when all was finished and Christ rose victorious, having conquered sin and death for all those who believe. The destruction of the temple in AD70 was the actual physical evidence of Christ's supremacy over the law.

Unbelievers can obey the law as much, and as hard, as ever they can, but will never be saved.
.

 

[Cooper]

When the temple was destroyed, they couldn't do many things. What, I don't know. I'm not Jewish.

With the destruction of the Temple, one thing they were not able to do was to offer sacrifice. Jesus made the only sacrifice that could save mankind and to sacrifice animals was an insult to him and His finished work on the cross.

Isaiah 1:11 NKJV "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, Or of lambs or goats.

1 Samuel 15:22 NKJV So Samuel said: "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.

Psa 40:5-6 Many, O LORD my God, are Your wonderful works Which You have done; And Your thoughts toward us Cannot be recounted to You in order; If I would declare and speak of them, They are more than can be numbered. Sacrifice and offering You did not desire; My ears You have opened. Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.

The true God requires that we make a sacrifice of our heart.

 

[Cooper]

The scripture in question teaches that all will not be fulfilled until heaven and earth pass away.

For it is prophesied that heaven and earth shall pass away; and that is a prophecy yet to be fulfilled.

Consider that the law includes the Psalms (John 10:34) and the prophets (1 Corinthians 14:21).

So the law will not be fulfilled until what is written in the prophets is completely fulfilled.

Unbelievers are always under the law, they are under the law until heaven and earth pass away, and them with it. The redeemed are free from the law. See below.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Romans 7:4
Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

Colossians 2:17
things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Hebrews 10:1
For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.

Galatians 4:4-5
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

Romans 3:21-26
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

John 1:17
For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Philippians 3:9
and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”—

Galatians 4:5
so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

Galatians 5:1
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

Ephesians 2:14-15
For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

Colossians 2:13-14
When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

2 Corinthians 3:3
being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

Galatians 3:21-22
Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Hebrews 7:19
(for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Source: 17 Bible verses about Freedom From The Law
.

 

[Cooper]

Have we covered everything? Because it is 4am here.

Come on justbyfaith, have faith in Christ, not in the law.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

No the rainbow has not been fulfilled. It will be in place for as long as the earth is here. The next time the earth is destroyed, it will just pass away, or by fire, but that may be the earth becoming hell, I don't know, but again it will be fulfilled by Christ, but His second coming, not the first, and there will be a new heaven and a new earth Revelation 20 and 21. But you already know that!

I believe the covenant with national Israel is still in place. But the New Covenant is also with Israel, but with those Jews who became part of the New Church, His Bride, by faith in Jesus, of which we Gentiles have been grafted in. National Israel has not been abandoned by God. His prophecies concerning them are still coming to pass, such as them becoming a nation again in 1948, and the supernatural means of obtaining Jerusalem in the 6 day war of 1967. Their partial blindness of Romans 11 is only until the fullness of the Gentiles comes into the Church, and then it shall be lifted during the last 7 years before Christ's second coming. Then all national Israel at that time will be saved and know their Messiah and come into the Bride of Christ.

What I cc: you on, is only for you to know my thoughts; some of which you've heard before, but other's you haven't. If you wish to respond on a new point, feel free to like you did here. But on things you've already responded to, I don't expect another answer.

The Jews were vomited out of the land because they had turned their backs on God in fact, now there were only some who were true to God they followed Holy Moses, who pointed to the one who was to come, now some had eyes to see and ears to hear and they had faith in Jesus as the one that Holy Moses was on about. the rest of the Jews were not worthy of God at all, Jesus said who their Father was of the Devil.
Anyone who has no faith is Jesus Christ is not worthy of God in fact. so do not look up to any Anti-Christ ever or you will be condemned, one can not serve two masters.
Never put your faith in any Anti-Christ ever, for they know not what they do, they are all a curse to God in fact, even some who claim to be Christian do not cut it with Jesus Christ. no one can come to the Father but through is only begotten Son. anyone who claims otherwise is of Satan and the people who claim the 2ed coming being a Man in the flesh are wrong. the second coming is not a Man but the Holy Spirit that every eye will see, them with eyes to see and ears to hear will know this. not to mention that you can come to Jesus Christ today, you do not have to wait for the 2ed coming to be saved.

When one knows how the State was truly all created you will know that such was all due to the works of man and not God at all. it was Rothschild's baby from the beginning cunningly devised to delude the world to his Anti-Christ program. were did all this nonsense get off the ground in history, what Church was for it's creation ? Non in fact, not even the UK people supported it, Nor the USA people, not one Nation supported the creation at all, only Rothschild's and his so called Zionist Socialist morons with their Socialist Nazi mates who were pushing this con job, Hitler was the first instigator of the State and the UK were totally against all such. until after the war that the so called Zionist worked their bag of tricks on the people politically to get the go ahead with this Godless creation. so that they could create such, it was they who killed the 6 million German Jews too their god, they even say so, they call it a burn offering in fact that proves it was offered up to their Anti-Christ idol. and anyone who claims it was a Holocaust is condemning God in fact as the author of such, it was not God at all but the works of man's madness in fact as they created it all.

If one believed in Jesus Christ why would one support the State ? no true Christian could support such a creation in fact, because we are Israel and Jesus Christ is the King of Israel in fact ! so why would any Christian support such nonsense ? I will tell you why, because they truly reject Jesus Christ in fact. how could anyone be so stupid ! you are rejecting that Jesus Christ is not your King in fact ! such a one must have no faith is Jesus Christ. oh you are looking for another Jesus ? you can't find the real one or he is not good enough for you ?
Why would one go and be tempted by Godless people who reject Jesus Christ, why do people nowadays idolise Political Correctness as their god. when in fact such a creation was the very tool that Hitler and all the Communist used to over power the Nation, freedom of speech is number one in Christian Nations, but under Socialism they turn the whole system upside down, the people give their rights up of the Nation to a group of Satanist who totally dominate over all, just like it is under Judaism, all become enslaved to madness, their is no Salvation in the Jews. Salvation only exist in Jesus Christ.

 

[CharismaticLady]

The law ended with the resurrection of Christ when all was finished and Christ rose victorious, having conquered sin and death for all those who believe. The destruction of the temple in AD70 was the actual physical evidence of Christ's supremacy over the law.

Unbelievers can obey the law as much, and as hard, as ever they can, but will never be saved.
.

I agree. "It is finished."

 

[CharismaticLady]

I agree. "It is finished."

The Jews were vomited out of the land because they had turned their backs on God in fact, now there were only some who were true to God they followed Holy Moses, who pointed to the one who was to come, now some had eyes to see and ears to hear and they had faith in Jesus as the one that Holy Moses was on about. the rest of the Jews were not worthy of God at all, Jesus said who their Father was of the Devil.
Anyone who has no faith is Jesus Christ is not worthy of God in fact. so do not look up to any Anti-Christ ever or you will be condemned, one can not serve two masters.
Never put your faith in any Anti-Christ ever, for they know not what they do, they are all a curse to God in fact, even some who claim to be Christian do not cut it with Jesus Christ. no one can come to the Father but through is only begotten Son. anyone who claims otherwise is of Satan and the people who claim the 2ed coming being a Man in the flesh are wrong. the second coming is not a Man but the Holy Spirit that every eye will see, them with eyes to see and ears to hear will know this. not to mention that you can come to Jesus Christ today, you do not have to wait for the 2ed coming to be saved.

When one knows how the State was truly all created you will know that such was all due to the works of man and not God at all. it was Rothschild's baby from the beginning cunningly devised to delude the world to his Anti-Christ program. were did all this nonsense get off the ground in history, what Church was for it's creation ? Non in fact, not even the UK people supported it, Nor the USA people, not one Nation supported the creation at all, only Rothschild's and his so called Zionist Socialist morons with their Socialist Nazi mates who were pushing this con job, Hitler was the first instigator of the State and the UK were totally against all such. until after the war that the so called Zionist worked their bag of tricks on the people politically to get the go ahead with this Godless creation. so that they could create such, it was they who killed the 6 million German Jews too their god, they even say so, they call it a burn offering in fact that proves it was offered up to their Anti-Christ idol. and anyone who claims it was a Holocaust is condemning God in fact as the author of such, it was not God at all but the works of man's madness in fact as they created it all.

If one believed in Jesus Christ why would one support the State ? no true Christian could support such a creation in fact, because we are Israel and Jesus Christ is the King of Israel in fact ! so why would any Christian support such nonsense ? I will tell you why, because they truly reject Jesus Christ in fact. how could anyone be so stupid ! you are rejecting that Jesus Christ is not your King in fact ! such a one must have no faith is Jesus Christ. oh you are looking for another Jesus ? you can't find the real one or he is not good enough for you ?
Why would one go and be tempted by Godless people who reject Jesus Christ, why do people nowadays idolise Political Correctness as their god. when in fact such a creation was the very tool that Hitler and all the Communist used to over power the Nation, freedom of speech is number one in Christian Nations, but under Socialism they turn the whole system upside down, the people give their rights up of the Nation to a group of Satanist who totally dominate over all, just like it is under Judaism, all become enslaved to madness, their is no Salvation in the Jews. Salvation only exist in Jesus Christ.

I'm not sure how this is in response to my post. What State?

 

[Cooper]

I'm not sure how this is in response to my post. What State?

To understand Reggie Belafonte's post see here CLICKY and keep in mind the words of Jesus in John 8:44.
.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

we have a righteousness apart from the law that is attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21).

If "the righteousness of God", it's not <<we>> who have it; it's the righteousness of GOD "RECKONED us for righteousness".

And what nonsensicality non-Scripture righteousness is <<a righteousness apart from the law that is attested to by the law and the prophets>>!? I'll tell what it is, a righteousness apart from the Law, attested to by the Law as CONTRARY <<the prophets>> and AGAINST GOD the Author of the Law. A <<righteousness apart from the law>> IS THE LAW OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, BIGOTRY AND ANTI-CHRIST!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Jesus fulfilled the law by living a perfect life; and He fulfills the law today by living a perfect life in and through us (Galatians 2:20).

Stinking self-righteousness.

 

[BarneyFife]

The law ended with the resurrection of Christ when all was finished and Christ rose victorious, having conquered sin and death for all those who believe.

Then why did He say "It is finished" before He died? Whatever was finished was finished before the resurrection.

The destruction of the temple in AD70 was the actual physical evidence of Christ's supremacy over the law.

More stuff that isn't in the Bible. Speculation.

Unbelievers can obey the law as much, and as hard, as ever they can, but will never be saved.

Nonsense. Why would unbelievers want to obey the law of God? And who are you to judge unbelievers?

 

[BarneyFife]

It is important to notice that Jesus did not say that the law would never pass away.

He most certainly did.

OK. But the law of stoning still stands.

Not in the example in question

So if Jewish Law has changed, why follow an obsolete law?

The ten commandments have not changed, nor are they obsolete.

Everything was accomplished.

We're still here.

Till heaven and earth pass - This expression denotes that the law would never be destroyed until it should be all fulfilled. It is the same as saying everything else may change; the very earth and heaven may pass away, but the law of God shall not be destroyed until its whole design has been accomplished.

Absolute baloney speculation