Write My Laws on Your Hearts

[marks]

Maybe the reason we can’t find a record of a gentile having Gods laws written on his heart is because there’s no such thing. It would be like asking me to find some hens teeth.

I see you've discerned the intent of the OP.

:)

 

[marks]

'Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness,
and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)'
(Rom 2:15)

Hello Marks,

I am enjoying reading through this thread. Having reached page 5, and #96 (above) I would like to respond to your thoughts regarding the phrase, 'the work of the law' of Romans 2:15. The context explains this I believe: God is righteous and fair whether dealing with the believer or the unbeliever, Jew or Gentile; for what this passage makes clear is that the Gentile who never has the standard of the law of God given through Moses, will not be judged by that standard. Nevertheless he is not without law entirely, for inwardly, he has a law which should be the regulator of his thoughts and action, and this is HIS CONSCIENCE (or the law of conscience). This is the moral law in miniature as it were. Conscience either condemns his wrong doing (accuses him) or witnesses that he is right (excuses him), and all this is open to God Who, unlike man, knows the thoughts and the intents of the heart in every person and in every particular.

'The work of the law' within: whether in the case of the Jew (the law of Moses) or in the case of the Gentile who does not have the law of Moses, (the law of conscience), works within the individual, accusing or excusing.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris,

I'm glad you are enjoying this, and I'm glad you jumped in!

:)

@CadyandZoe

I think the thing I'm searching for here is the connection between the Law of God, and the conscience, as this conscience (I think we're on the same page here) is a work that the law does, or so it seems to me that the phrase means.

to ergon tou nomou written in the hearts . . . tou nomou, the law, genetive case, the law has or does a work, to ergon, and that work is written on hearts.

So maybe this is saying, the conscience is not the same thing as the Law of God, but it is something that is produced by the law of God.

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Much love!

 

[marks]

The born again, are a new creation. Let me ask. Can Christ be within, and not perform His law?

There's an interesting question!

@CharismaticLady

If I put a few pieces together,

If when we are born again, God writes His eternal law of love in our hearts, causing us to always keep that law, then this means that born again people always love perfectly, both God and man.

Right?

Much love!

 

[lforrest]

The issue with the conscience is that it is subject to our deceitful hearts.

Our hearts are not subject to our will, but that is where our will resides. This will exudes from some amalgam of the influences of the flesh and spiritual beings. God is one still small voice, among a cacophony of others. The only choice we have by my reckoning is which voice to listen to.

It is like the heart is a busy rail yard and all we can do is switch the tracks.

 

[CharismaticLady]

The flesh profits nothing, Only Christ in you can fulfill.

I am not in the flesh, but in the Spirit. I have the Spirit of Christ in me, and I belong to Him. You?

 

[CharismaticLady]

There's an interesting question!

@CharismaticLady

If I put a few pieces together,

If when we are born again, God writes His eternal law of love in our hearts, causing us to always keep that law, then this means that born again people always love perfectly, both God and man.

Right?

Much love!

Our nature is changed and we hate sin. But the fruit of the Spirit continues to grow and bear fruit, but needs pruning to grow more fruit. Philippians 3:16 shows us that we will continually live up to the knowledge of Christ we have. But there is always more to gain. 2 Peter 1:5-7 shows the process of glorification to become more and more like Christ, gaining more and more knowledge of Him until we never stumble.

 

[CharismaticLady]

It reads accusing or excusing one another, not accusing or excusing self.
Galatians 6:2 KJV
[2] Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
He is the Law, the Righteousness of God within the born again.

I don't read that the born again Gentile is accusing or excusing one another, because it is their own conscience examining their OWN actions, not those of others. 1 John 3:21-22

 

[marks]

Our nature is changed and we hate sin. But the fruit of the Spirit continues to grow and bear fruit, but needs pruning to grow more fruit. Philippians 3:16 shows us that we will continually live up to the knowledge of Christ we have. But there is always more to gain. 2 Peter 1:5-7 shows the process of glorification to become more and more like Christ, gaining more and more knowledge of Him until we never stumble.

And this as we grow in love for God, and we grow in love for others . . . so sometimes we may be less than loving, but we're getting better all the time, is that it?

Much love!

 

[marks]

I don't read that the born again Gentile is accusing or excusing one another, because it is their own conscience examining their OWN actions, not those of others. 1 John 3:21-22

In the passage, Accusing is in the Active voice, something you do to another, and excusing is in the Reflexive voice, something you do to yourself.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

And this as we grow in love for God, and we grow in love for others . . . so sometimes we may be less than loving, but we're getting better all the time, is that it?

Much love!

It really teaches us to listen to the Spirit. I know the Spirit has told me to edit a post, that I wrote in the first place.

 

[CharismaticLady]

In the passage, Accusing is in the Active voice, something you do to another, and excusing is in the Reflexive voice, something you do to yourself.

Much love!

Does your conscience accuse others unjustly, or justly. If your conscience says you've judged rightly then you are still pleasing in His sight. But mainly it is looking at your own action or thought and would still be active.

 

[Waiting on him]

Hi Chris,

I'm glad you are enjoying this, and I'm glad you jumped in!

:)

@CadyandZoe

I think the thing I'm searching for here is the connection between the Law of God, and the conscience, as this conscience (I think we're on the same page here) is a work that the law does, or so it seems to me that the phrase means.

to ergon tou nomou written in the hearts . . . tou nomou, the law, genetive case, the law has or does a work, to ergon, and that work is written on hearts.

So maybe this is saying, the conscience is not the same thing as the Law of God, but it is something that is produced by the law of God.

?

Much love!

The word conscience can’t be found in the Old Testament, or at most I’ve never seen it.

 

[Waiting on him]

The conscience is the faculty by which we judge ourselves.

 

[Waiting on him]

Paul had a clean conscience.

 

[Waiting on him]

I don't read that the born again Gentile is accusing or excusing one another, because it is their own conscience examining their OWN actions, not those of others. 1 John 3:21-22

It’s Satan that accuses, Christ would have him cast out.

 

[marks]

Does your conscience accuse others unjustly, or justly. If your conscience says you've judged rightly then you are still pleasing in His sight. But mainly it is looking at your own action or thought and would still be active.

That's the question, isn't it?

How accurate is your conscience?

1 Corinthians 4
3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Paul apparently didn't rely on the accuracy if his ability to judge himself, and instructs us to judge nothing until the Lord come, and He will reveal everything.

He didn't consider knowing nothing against himself as adequate to know he's in the right.

But mainly it is looking at your own action or thought and would still be active.

Verb Voices in Greek refer to the direction of the action. Greek Syntax - the spelling that shows it's grammar - gives extra information, something like,

I throw the ball.

In English this doesn't tell you as much as the Koine Greek does.

• In the Active voice, this means I throw it to someone else.
• In the Middle or Reflexive voice, I throw it to myself.
• In the Passive voice, someone throws it to me.

So, again, accusing, in the Active voice, means accusing someone other than yourself. Excusing, in the Reflexive voice, means excusing yourself.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Paul had a clean conscience.

Yet he knew this wasn't the 'final answer'.

Much love!

 

[marks]

If your conscience says you've judged rightly then you are still pleasing in His sight.

1 Corinthians 4:4 "For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified"

Having a clear conscience does not mean that you are in the right.

Much love!

 

[Truther]

That's pretty much how I think of this.



OK. To me, Hebrews is first to the Jews, and ushers them into their new covenant. I find it very interesting,

Acts 21:20 "And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:"

Much love!

Yes, the promise of this future millennial experience was to them, then Gentiles were eventually included in it.

 

[CharismaticLady]

It’s Satan that accuses, Christ would have him cast out.

1 Corinthians 5:
11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”