The State Of "Christian Spirituality"

[bbyrd009]

Well, it's sort of like dealing with a completely different religion if not. I am coming to grips with the faithlessness there now, but the day I was posting I was a bit in shock and disbelief, to tell you the truth, not willing to accept it.


There was so much scripture I could have cited I almost didn't know where to begin. But knowing they wouldn't listen, I was more interested in seeing just how deep the faithlessness ran... and it was waaaaaaaaay down there, Lol.

well, all predicated on the lack of anthropomorphization of satan, or ?

 

[bbyrd009]

And that is why I placed it in parenthesis. The definite article is in other Scriptures. See Job 1:6 הַשָּׂטָ֖ן (ha Satan).

i think thats maybe the only ref to a personified devil OT? seems like i read that somewhere
jews have a quite diff concept of satan from christians, weird

 

[bbyrd009]

Children have an innate trust in those whose duty it is to keep them safe.

ha well from your pov maybe, yes

 

[john t]

And that is why I placed it in parenthesis. The definite article is in other Scriptures. See Job 1:6 הַשָּׂטָ֖ן (ha Satan).

We are together on that.

 

[john t]

i think thats maybe the only ref to a personified devil OT? seems like i read that somewhere
jews have a quite diff concept of satan from christians, weird

That is because there is a different view of him in the OT than there is in the NT.

My point in the reply to Enoch111 was that some posters who have not studied Biblical languages blindly cut-and-paste making unwarranted errors. Thus I was testing him because when he posted this:

Enoch111 said: ↑
Do you know why he is called "Satan" [ha Satan (שָׂטָ֖ן) in Hebrew]?

he neglected to include the definite article (the) הַ

Hope that helps

 

[michaelvpardo]

Over at another forum today, and finding it amazing how little faith there is among believers in the supernatural. We may not have everything right around here, but good Heavens what it is that people even believe these days?! They sound like atheists.

Notice how many "Christians" are posting like they don't believe witchcraft is even real. It's astounding. I thought belief in the demonic, and the influence of evil spirits over the affairs of men was like "Christianity 101" or something.

What is going on? Anyone? I realize there may be a few here who feel the same way, but to me it's like Faithless Central over there or something!

Witchcraft 101

From what I've read I'd say a form of deism has become a part of fundamental doctrine in the modern "church" at large. It's not that people reject the existence of God in the church. The majority just seem to believe that God no longer speaks to His people, leads His people, or does any work through His sovereign control over nature.

 

[bbyrd009]

Notice how many "Christians" are posting like they don't believe witchcraft is even real

so im curious, do you believe "spell candles" would have any effect, or no?

 

[bbyrd009]

That is because there is a different view of him in the OT than there is in the NT.

is there? or is that on us?

he neglected to include the definite article (the) הַ

well, we get it with and without the article, right
how much diff really in "opposer" and "the opposer?"

Hope that helps

well, you speak as if you know, and that is a sign to me...as is "hope that helps," said in all earnestness

what is Satan's Dialectic, iyo?

 

[Hidden In Him]

so im curious, do you believe "spell candles" would have any effect, or no?

They will if the adherent knows they are deliberately drawing spirits into themselves through the use of the practice. That's what candle burning is intended to do within occultism. You are inviting "energies" into yourself.

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[john t]

john t said: ↑
That is because there is a different view of him in the OT than there is in the NT.

is there? or is that on us?

The Jews were looking for a (indefinite article) Messiah. With the NT, we have THE Messiah, we know His deeds and that He is sovereign over both diseases and demons.

well, we get it with and without the article, right
how much diff really in "opposer" and "the opposer?"

In English it can be as you say, but I was referring to Hebrew spelling in the post.

well, you speak as if you know, and that is a sign to me...as is "hope that helps," said in all earnestness.

I do not pretend to be an expert.

 

[john t]

so im curious, do you believe "spell candles" would have any effect, or no?

Yes, they do have an effect: They harden and damn the souls using them.

 

[bbyrd009]

They will if the adherent knows they are deliberately drawing spirits into themselves through the use of the practice. That's what candle burning is intended to do within occultism. You are inviting "energies" into yourself.

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ah

arent we told elsewhere that they are powerless though?

 

[bbyrd009]

The Jews were looking for This. With the NT, we have That, we know This and that

In English it can be that, but I was referring to this

I do not pretend to be an expert.

ok then

Yes, they do have an effect: They harden and damn the souls using them.

so wadr you have both wormed away from a real answer by choosing to deliberately misconstrue the question?

Can you make a "spirit candle" have an effect on me, as purported, or no?

 

[Hidden In Him]

ah

arent we told elsewhere that they are powerless though?

Witchcraft is powerless against a believer who is walking close to the Lord and abiding in His Spirit, yes. It just sort of bounces off of them and returns to sender, so to speak. Demons can only execute a curse on someone if their hedge of protection is down, and for most believers it is not.

 

[bbyrd009]

Witchcraft is powerless against a believer who is walking close to the Lord and abiding in His Spirit, yes. It just sort of bounces off of them and returns to sender, so to speak. Demons can only execute a curse on someone if their hedge of protection is down, and for most believers it is not.

ha ok ty

what is "satan's dialectic" iyo, hih

 

[Hidden In Him]

ha ok ty

what is "satan's dialectic" iyo, hih

That's a term Byrd apparently likes to throw around, and I unfortunately have no earthly idea what it means, Lol.

But if he finds out, hopefully he lets me know. Then we both will.

 

[lforrest]

That's a term Byrd apparently likes to throw around, and I unfortunately have no earthly idea what it means, Lol.

But if he finds out, hopefully he lets me know. Then we both will.

Reasoning by contradictions in a debate format. So essentially the Byrd is asking you for a scarecrow. Would be better if he proposed a contradiction to get it started.

 

[icxn]

What is going on? Anyone? I realize there may be a few here who feel the same way, but to me it's like Faithless Central over there or something!

Perhaps it's because these days the demons don't interfere as much as they used to...

Quote:

One time a demon was sitting in the form of a man and swinging his legs. One who saw him with his spiritual eyes asked him, “Why aren’t you doing anything?” The demon answered: “Nowadays I have nothing to do but swing my legs; people are doing everything better than me.”
- St Ambrose of Optina (+1891)​

 

[bbyrd009]

That's a term Byrd apparently likes to throw around, and I unfortunately have no earthly idea what it means, Lol.

But if he finds out, hopefully he lets me know. Then we both will.

Reasoning by contradictions in a debate format. So essentially the Byrd is asking you for a scarecrow. Would be better if he proposed a contradiction to get it started.

ha
i dont know anything

 

[lforrest]

I recall a dream about demons at work here. There was a picnic table, and on it were four rows and four columns of oversized fly larva. Some were already dead, and others still alive.

Let's not rest on our laurels.