That's funny coming from a person who said just a few days ago that you couldn't wait until I got "kicked out of Heaven".
Talk about hypocrisy . . .
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Talk about hypocrisy . . .
So we're NOT supposed to oaks ANYBODY for prayer??
Show me where the BIBLE says this - because MY Bible says we're SUPPOSED to intercede for one another (1 Tim. 2:5, James 5:16).
I'll wait right here for your response.
justbyfaith
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Talk about repenting from a former attitude that wasn't right...
If that is hypocrisy, then not one of us has any kind of hope at all.
(although, I thought that I made it clear to you that I was not addressing you in that instance; but the principality and power that was behind your words).
amigo de christo
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Do me a favor , if i die and later the pope delcares me a saint . Do not pray to me . Pray to GOD .
Ps saints can ask the living on earth for prayers , but we dont pray to angels or any other in heaven , But GOD .
That is blasphemy . Instead of justifying error , just repent from it .
Please . I worry for all who pray to any other , other than GOD himself .
amigo de christo
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Let all who name the glorious name of JESUS CHRIST , depart from all inquity and traditions of men which contradict God .
Let all open those beautiful bibles and learn anew and afresh the wonderful truth filled words of our LORD , the apostels
and all sound doctrine . We must make sure that election and calling , for if we learn those holy scrips well
we are made wise unto salvation through faith in JESUS . I see so many errors in many denominations .
But today is the day that every and anyone who calls upon JESUS can just start fresh in the bible and learn the truth for ourselves .
Let all open those beautiful bibles and learn anew and afresh the wonderful truth filled words of our LORD , the apostels
and all sound doctrine . We must make sure that election and calling , for if we learn those holy scrips well
we are made wise unto salvation through faith in JESUS . I see so many errors in many denominations .
But today is the day that every and anyone who calls upon JESUS can just start fresh in the bible and learn the truth for ourselves .
amigo de christo
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God has given the true lambs the comforter . And He is able to give us the wisdom , knowledge and understanding
of what HE , the SPIRIT , GOD , inspired .
The simplicity found IN JESUS and all HIS sayings , the apostles sayings , the pure beauty of the words of truth in that bible .
Let the glorious Lord be praised . Let the peoples praise the KING .
of what HE , the SPIRIT , GOD , inspired .
The simplicity found IN JESUS and all HIS sayings , the apostles sayings , the pure beauty of the words of truth in that bible .
Let the glorious Lord be praised . Let the peoples praise the KING .
Hello amigo,
Why would you think asking saints and angels to pray for us is blasphemy?
Peace be with you!
This is the most ridiculous thing I've EVER read - and I guarantee that many of your fellow Protestants would disagree.
This is just more of your evasive nonsense. I listed essential salvational differences - yet you hide behind your similarities.
This is typical of your impotent arguments.
WRONG.
The Trinity is THE most BASIC doctrine of Christianity.
Virtually EVERY hersesy is based on a perversion of this doctrine - including YOURS.
And YOU need to stop LYING about it.
Get your facts straight before yo post in this subject - because the last tie I checked - LYING will place a man in Hell . . .
That doesn't surprise me.
You usually have a problem rightly dividing Scripture . . .[/QUOTE]
Suuuurrrrre you were.
However you want to justify your hypocrisy is YOUR problem - not mine.
I don't think there's ANY danger of that happening . . .
It's "blasphemy" that the saints in Heaven are members of the Body of Christ?? When were they kicked out??
Time for another Bible lesson . . .
Rev. 5:8 shows the Elders in Heaven interceding on our behalf by taking our prayers to God.
Rev. 8:4-5 shows the Angels in Heaven doing the SAME thing.
Why do you resent the Word of God??
Finally - see if you can refute the following linguistic evidence regarding the word "PRAY" . . .
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying
intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving
As you can plainly see - "Pray" simply means to ASK - just like the following verse:
Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I PRAY you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".
Do your homework . . .
There is the hypocrisy again you invented the lie And I underlined it and pointed it out you ignored it then try and turn it around on me, and as for you saying we have to give to the poor you did and a whole lot more
You didn't ask but the Bible tells us what Faith is Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
As for your James 2:19 you like to quote the Demons believe there is one God, They don't believe the Gospel and they where not happy to see Jesus once again You cant apply context
So instead of pointing the Finger take a look at yourself and see if what you say actually applies to yourself, then we can start dealing with facts
And your all Roman Catholics you have to do what the pope says or you are very bad Catholics You follow that man in a dress who loves gold and definitely doesn't sell all he has and give to the poor
Beware of the scribes, who like to walk around in long robes, and love greetings in the marketplaces and the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at feasts
Let me know when you have a point in all of this instead of the same tired, old anti-Catholic drivel.
There are MORE than enough dishonest and ignorant anti-Catholics on this forum with nothing to say . . .
justbyfaith
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justbyfaith
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Here is another set of scriptures for you, @BreadOfLife, that I did not get while praying for you; but nevertheless come to mind:
Gen 6:3, And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Pro 27:1, Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.
Ecc 9:11, I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Gen 6:3, And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Pro 27:1, Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.
Ecc 9:11, I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
justbyfaith
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Luk 13:1, There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
Luk 13:2, And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luk 13:3, I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:4, Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5, I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:6, He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
Luk 13:7, Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
Luk 13:8, And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
Luk 13:9, And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
Luk 13:2, And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luk 13:3, I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:4, Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5, I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:6, He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
Luk 13:7, Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
Luk 13:8, And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
Luk 13:9, And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
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Taken
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I am not in need of Explanation.
The Apostles- themselves;
Appointed men:
1) over established "ChurcheS" of God,
(Which the Born Again members, ARE, Members OF Christ's Single One Church).
Also Appointed men:
2) to be the Apostles disciples, assisting the Apostles, and being SENT to the Churce(S), to help the Church attendees Learn About Jesus and How to Convert IN Christ.
I don't find Any Apostle speaking of Christ's Church, by anything but...
The Church___at such n such city.
And
The Church of God.
PRAY For our Nation,
Taken
That's great.
Now show me the verse of Scripture that explicitly says that the Church will NEVER have a title.
The Church eventually had a Title and as I've shown you - by the end of the 1st century, that title was "The Catholic Church".
There are 5 fundamental biblical points that justbyfaith, Behold, Taken, and their ilk continually duck:
(1) I repeat: in both Hebrew ("amunah") and Greek (("Pistis") the word translated "faith" also means faithfulness." That in itself means that we are saved not by an act of belief or trust, but by a new way of being--or, as Paul puts it, by becoming "a new creation in Christ Jesus (2 Cor. 5:17)."
(2) Catholics can agree that, rightly understood, we are saved by grace alone in the sense that good works can't merit our salvation apart from grace. Put differently, our Fundamentalist posters don't get the philosophical distinction between necessary and sufficient conditions. Good works are a necessary condition for salvation (See e. g. James 2:14), but not a sufficient condition; we still need faith and grace. It is precisely because James teaches the essential role of works that Luther dismissed James as "an epistle of straw," whereas Catholics continued to view it as God's Word.
(3) The word "Catholic" (universal) became the first-century designation of the global church when the faith spread far enough after the apostolic age to become meaningfully universal throughout the Mediterranean world. The issue is not the Church's name, but that the clarification of basic doctrines took centuries. The term "Catholic" was also used to distinguish the widespread doctrinal consensus from local heresies like various forms of Gnosticism.
(4) Fundamentalists here act as if the Holy Spirit deserted the world right after the apostolic age. What they forget is this: If we can't trust the Holy Spirit to guide early Catholic tradition, then we can trust neither the doctrine of the limited NT canon nor the the doctrine of the Trinity. The Personhood of the 3 members of the Godhood is not explicitly taught in Scripture and is instead rightly inferred by later Catholic councils.
(5) The Bible may be inspired and authoritative, but it is NOT a book of systematic theology; indeed, it is woefully incomplete in its progressive revelation, leaving many important questions (e. g. abortion) without an explicit answer. So Catholic tradition and the gifts of the Spirit were necessary to develop new doctrines that are consistent with Scripture without being explicitly taught by Scripture. This is not to deny that our Bible still provides the basics for faith and life.
(1) I repeat: in both Hebrew ("amunah") and Greek (("Pistis") the word translated "faith" also means faithfulness." That in itself means that we are saved not by an act of belief or trust, but by a new way of being--or, as Paul puts it, by becoming "a new creation in Christ Jesus (2 Cor. 5:17)."
(2) Catholics can agree that, rightly understood, we are saved by grace alone in the sense that good works can't merit our salvation apart from grace. Put differently, our Fundamentalist posters don't get the philosophical distinction between necessary and sufficient conditions. Good works are a necessary condition for salvation (See e. g. James 2:14), but not a sufficient condition; we still need faith and grace. It is precisely because James teaches the essential role of works that Luther dismissed James as "an epistle of straw," whereas Catholics continued to view it as God's Word.
(3) The word "Catholic" (universal) became the first-century designation of the global church when the faith spread far enough after the apostolic age to become meaningfully universal throughout the Mediterranean world. The issue is not the Church's name, but that the clarification of basic doctrines took centuries. The term "Catholic" was also used to distinguish the widespread doctrinal consensus from local heresies like various forms of Gnosticism.
(4) Fundamentalists here act as if the Holy Spirit deserted the world right after the apostolic age. What they forget is this: If we can't trust the Holy Spirit to guide early Catholic tradition, then we can trust neither the doctrine of the limited NT canon nor the the doctrine of the Trinity. The Personhood of the 3 members of the Godhood is not explicitly taught in Scripture and is instead rightly inferred by later Catholic councils.
(5) The Bible may be inspired and authoritative, but it is NOT a book of systematic theology; indeed, it is woefully incomplete in its progressive revelation, leaving many important questions (e. g. abortion) without an explicit answer. So Catholic tradition and the gifts of the Spirit were necessary to develop new doctrines that are consistent with Scripture without being explicitly taught by Scripture. This is not to deny that our Bible still provides the basics for faith and life.
justbyfaith
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I know that I do not duck or disregard this truth of holy scripture.
Works are not a necessary condition for salvation. They are the result of it (Galatians 3:14, Romans 5:5, 1 John 3:17-18).
This only supports my pov that the true church is not defined today as the "Catholic Church".
I have a thread in which I show that the Trinity is biblically-based as a doctrine (will post a link shortly).
True Trinity.
especially posts #1-#6.
The issue of abortion is indeed mentioned in proverbs 31:8-9; as well as in the Pentateuch where it says that if there is an injury done to a pregnant woman and complications ensue, the punishment will be eye for eye and tooth for tooth.
Anything that we know on the basis of doctrine needs to be based on holy scripture or on conclusions drawn from holy scripture. If we depart from the word of God as the basis for our doctrine, we will end up falling for anything.
Eternally Grateful
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If i May.
because you are placing them equal to God, omnipresent, with the ability to hear all things
