4) Who led Israel after the death of Joshua and the deaths of all the elders who remembered what God had done for them in Egypt and in the wilderness?sorry I don’t really understand your questions please ask one question and be specific
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4) Who led Israel after the death of Joshua and the deaths of all the elders who remembered what God had done for them in Egypt and in the wilderness?sorry I don’t really understand your questions please ask one question and be specific
Hi @Mungo , I'll address this big picture---I gave you 8 points to consider.
You simply have no answer to them.
Obviously there are many things that are true with are not stated explicitly (or remotely) in the Bible. That's a very obvious fact.If you are a serious studier of the Bible you will know that there are many beliefs that are not explicitly stated in the Bible but are based on a build up of evidence. The demand for a verse that explicitly states "X" or "Y" is a copout from examining the evidence..
Yes, I'm aware of that.Hi @Mungo , I'll address this big picture---
Obviously there are many things that are true with are not stated explicitly (or remotely) in the Bible. That's a very obvious fact.
The more specific question is "are there things which are part of God's saving Truths that are not written in the Bible?"
For Catholics and other non-sola scriptura people, the answer is "Yes". And this opens the door for other discussions like whether or not Mary was forever a virgin. I'm personally fall into the 'other non-sola scriptura' category.
However For a Sola Scriptura person, the answer is a big "No." Therefore, the lack of a Bible verse explicitly stating "Mary was forever a virgin" means it's not part of God's Truth and the discussion is just done.
That different way of approaching things is the real important point of divergence that supersedes the question of any Marian doctrines.
Then I'm not understanding your discussion with @Spurgeon's Girl (whom I'm assuming is Sola Scriptura adherent).Yes, I'm aware of that.
Then I'm not understanding your discussion with @Spurgeon's Girl (whom I'm assuming is Sola Scriptura adherent).
Spurgeon's Girl is (presumably) Sola Scriptura and only accepts things which are explicitly written in the Bible as being part of God's Truths. Marian doctrines are not explicitly stated, and hence not believed.What are you not understanding?
: theefaith: you can call it what you want, no one is a physical child of Mary accept Jesus! Many are Her spiritual children!
Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!
Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so.
Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother?
The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He proved Mary the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!
As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation!
Rev 12:17
Spurgeon's Girl is (presumably) Sola Scriptura and only accepts things which are explicitly written in the Bible as being part of God's Truths. Marian doctrines are not explicitly stated, and hence not believed.
It's a done discussion.
If you're aware of this, why the continuing effort into a long discussion where you know she's never going to see your position as being part of God's Truths of Sola Scriptura?
Well that is false.
The term for the science of Biology was not used until nearly 2,000 years after Jesus' birth.
If you actually knew what biological meant, it does not line up with Scripture.
No need to consider your conclusion Based on a False premise, as is your first point.
Glory to God,
Taken
Yes I can.
And no you have not revealed any Scriptural knowledge, that Mary and Joseph Would Defy or were Instructed to Defy God...By Not Multiplying and Reproducing children.
WHAT Adam named the Woman Given Him..
Irrelevant.
Behold - is the KEY-...
Behold means LOOK and SEE.
Basic 101 Bible-
Men can not See God!
Men can not See Gods Power!
Men can SEE the Word of God, in the Likeness as a Man, called, the Son of Man...
Not News, Mary birthed the Son of Man.
Not News What Mary could SEE was the Son of Man.
Not News, Jesus Appointed "a Man" to watch after The Woman who birthed the Son of Man, as a Trusted servant of the Son of Man.
• Consider Jewish Law and Customs
WHO SEES after the well being of a Jewish Widow and her household?
Her adult eldest son.. her Sibling Brothers...Her Uncles...you go through the line of succession of who is available and capable.
• who was available to SEE after Widowed Mary and her household (that were With her at the Crucifixion)...
• The Son of man, her eldest, about to Die!
He arranges WHO He chose to See After Widowed Mary and her household.
Yes He was, and no He did not speak in your terms of simplistic understanding. He spoke to him in Terms of Jewish Understanding of Customs, they knew and you do not.
No.
Jesus was MAKING Mary what? Nothing.
Jesus was MAKING "John" an overseer of well being for Mary and her household!
It is the Understanding of Fullness of God...
In Brief;
Adam's Creation is Fact.
The Knowledge surrounding Adams Creation.....IS FORESHADOWING!!
Foreshadowing is not Prophecy, but rather an indication to PAY attention, because something SiMILAR will be revealed.
Adam- the Man- Life
Then the Woman "helper". "Out of Adam-"
The Man and Woman- ONE
Then the Man and Woman Have Offspring "in then out" of the Woman.
The Man controls the House
The Woman nurtures the Children, according to The Man's WORD and POWER.
(Man called, husband, head, Father...etc.
Female called Woman ,helper, wife, Mother, etc.)
Foreshadow revealed-
God- man, husband, head, Father, Spirit etc.
Female- woman, helper, (nurturer go between OF children and Father)
Called, woman, Son, Word. Power. Spirit. etc
"Comes out of God"...yet Joined ONE.
The Foreshadow of Adam and the Woman and their offspring ...
Parallel ...God and Son and human Children being MADE into Spiritual Children.
What you Should have Learned... IS There IS NO sex or copulation, of Literal Female Gender regarding "Gods Spiritual Household."
Once a Person Is Transformed, There IS no Female Gender "go between" necessary... a Transformed Person HAS No female gender identity or need for an intercessory to God the Father...they have Direct Access.
God the Father is The Fullness...
* Female gender, Mommies are for humans on Earth
* There is No Female Queen Sitting In Heaven taking intercessory requests from humans ON Earth.
* Heaven IS GODS THRONE
God is Not A QUEEN. God Does NOT Have A QUEEN.
God IS KING.
Jesus is True to His Word.
Jesus IS a man's Intercessory (mommy of sorts for UNSaved, UNreborn Human men)...
They...can Go Through Jesus, to Receive Gods Gifts.
•• Intercessory Jesus: (for the Unsaved)
John 14:
[13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
[14] If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide wit
Saved and Quickened Men have Already WENT "Through" Jesus, and Received Gods Gifts.
They no longer Go "THROUGH" Jesus...
They Go "TO" Jesus...Because, they have Learned, Jesus...IS the FULLNESS of God!
And Know....they CAN NOT YET SEE HIM... until ... their Body is Raised uncorruptable.
It Foreknowledge...that it Will come to pass, they Will SEE their God IN Spirit As HE IS.
•• Jesus the Lord God (of the Saved & quickened/Born Again)
John 14:
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and "we" (Father,Son, Holy Spirit) will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 16:
[26] At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
God Has no Mother, Wife, Queen
* Becoming a son of God...gains no one a Mother or Queen.
Female Gender has no place In Gods Spiritual Kingdom/ World.
God is King of His Creations, Throne and Father to All of His adopted sons.
Glory to God,
Taken
As you wish:
1) Now not all traditions are evil. But if a tradition causes a person to transgress the commandment of God, which way should he go?
Yes but they are under the authority of the apostles(2 Are the apostles the only ones sent by God to men? What of the other four ministers listed in Eph 4:11 as being given by God? Were they not sent? What of the angels, the messengers, both heavenly and earthly sent by God? Were not messengers sent?
No one!3) Who is today sitting in Moses' seat?
Sorry but I’m not an OT expert or any kind of expert I know Joshua followed Moses and then those who sit in the seat or chair (Greek catherdral) of Moses4) Who led Israel after the death of Joshua and the deaths of all the elders who remembered what God had done for them in Egypt and in the wilderness?
I don't believe in sola scriptura, so preaching it's limitations to me is very silly.but Jane you told me you don’t believe in sola scriptura?
You don’t believe in the Trinity or the divinity of Jesus either I guess cos there not explicitly stated in scripture?
And where is the all mighty doctrine of the “Bible alone” found in scripture???
Spurgeon's Girl is (presumably) Sola Scriptura and only accepts things which are explicitly written in the Bible as being part of God's Truths. Marian doctrines are not explicitly stated, and hence not believed.
It's a done discussion.
If you're aware of this, why the continuing effort into a long discussion where you know she's never going to see your position as being part of God's Truths of Sola Scriptura?
I'm wondering why you're putting in so much effort when you know she's never going to see your position as being part of God's Truths of Sola Scriptura.Are you suggesting that if some has different standards of evidence to me then I shouldn't be discussing with them?
1st you can sacrifice a lower good for a higher good! Or a higher purpose
2nd you assume way too much, I never said half the thing you accuse me of, focus like a laser please
God has no mother:
Mary is the mother of God:
Both are true!
The divine nature or the divinity has no mother, which you confuse with source, but the divinity is found in a trinity of persons, and the second person of the Trinity became man and does have a mother!
no spiritual kingdom, Lk 1:32-33 the kingdom of David, and in The kingdom line of David the mother of the king is queen
Thank you for your responses. I would say we are finished for the moment. May God richly bless you when you walk toward Him!Sorry but I’m not an OT expert or any kind of expert I know Joshua followed Moses and then those who sit in the seat or chair (Greek catherdral) of Moses
I don't believe in sola scriptura, so preaching it's limitations to me is very silly.
I would like to hear you answer why you all put lots of energy into this Marian discussion when it's a dead-on-arrival with sola scriptura people.