The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

[justbyfaith]

If I search my own heart, refusing the ministry of the Holy Spirit, I will approve of the evil I find. It's almost like you're trying to misrepresent me. You're pretty close to going on my ignore list with your assuming the worst and jumping to conclusions. (By the way, I don't yet have anyone ignored)

Put me on Ignore if you wish. But you will only have yourself to blame for the information that you will be missing out on that may lead to your edification or possibly even salvation.

I have not been jumping to conclusions; but you have been unclear in your statements if you expect me to believe that I have misunderstood them.

 

[justbyfaith]

If I search my own heart, refusing the ministry of the Holy Spirit, I will approve of the evil I find.

However it is not the unpardonable sin to search my own heart in reliance upon the Holy Spirit.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

In 1 Corinthians 3:11-15, we find the doctrine about the bema seat of Christ....that those who are in Christ will not be judged unto condemnation but will rather be judged for their works as to what among the things that they did will stand the test of fire and endure through the fire to become a reward in the kingdom.

That makes works required for salvation, which they are. Just not required as the purchase price of salvation but as the required evidence of being justified in Christ by faith.

 

[BarneyFife]

However it is not the unpardonable sin to search my own heart in reliance upon the Holy Spirit.

Of course, it isn't.

 

[justbyfaith]

That makes works required for salvation, which they are. Just not required as the purchase price of salvation but as the required evidence of being justified in Christ by faith.

No; 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 does not teach that works are required for salvation.

The one who does not have any works to show for their life will still be "saved, yet so as by fire".

Of course, it isn't.

You should have made that clear from the beginning.

 

[BarneyFife]

No; 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 does not teach that works are required for salvation.

The one who does not have any works to show for their life will still be "saved, yet so as by fire".



You should have made that clear from the beginning.

I should list everything that is not the unpardonable sin? Ridiculous. You should have been charitable in your assumptions. This seems to be an on-going problem with you.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Some have suggested that a Free Pass through the pearly gates is possible .. Do not pass Go ..no need to go through judgement - a get into heaven free pass - known as "Sola Fide" - Faith Alone

I think the misunderstanding comes from them thinking that being justified by faith all by itself apart from works is equivalent to arriving at the Judgment with no works to validate them as having the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works. What most people do not understand is faith that is alone is not the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works. It seems many are counting on that not being true and are thinking they can stand before Jesus when he comes back with no works to prove they have faith but will still inherit eternal life.

I am of the belief that we all must go through judgement - and have our deeds weighed on the scales of justice ..

That is very clear in scripture. But it's not very clear to most people today.

Does it not seem to you that this is what is happening in the scene depicted in Matt 25. And before one goes running to another part of the bible .. don't bother - because scenes like this are few and far between .. outside of Matt/Mark. but OK .. to the text.

That is what is happening. But so many people think it does not apply to them because they have faith, whether it is alone or not.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

No; 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 does not teach that works are required for salvation.

The one who does not have any works to show for their life will still be "saved, yet so as by fire".

But that is how we know the passage is not about salvation, but rather about rewards (besides the simple fact that the passage says it's about rewards). For the Bible is very clear that the person with no works is not a child of God. That's how we know 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 is not about being able to not live righteously but still being saved when Jesus comes back. If it were it would directly contradict other scripture. It's a passage about rewards, not salvation.

 

[justbyfaith]

I should list everything that is not the unpardonable sin? Ridiculous. You should have been charitable in your assumptions. This seems to be an on-going problem with you.

I do not feel that I have been uncharitable in my assumptions. I simply took your words at face value and do not feel that I even misunderstood them.

For the Bible is very clear that the person with no works is not a child of God.

Can you give chapter and verse for that concept?

Because I can give chapter and verse that refutes that concept (Romans 4:5-6, Titus 3:5, Romans 11:5-6, Ephesians 2:8-9).

 

[Taken]

Mark 3
[28] Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
[29] But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
[30] Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Blasphemies "AGAINST the Holy Spirit," is an ACT of an UNCLEAN spirit.

Men are not spirits.

Mark 3:
[28] Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Scriptural cases reveal:
Unclean Spirits VEX men, by entering IN men.

Forgiveness is afforded men.
Forgiveness Preceeds ANY changes The Lord God MAKES to a Bodily Alive man.

Under Jewish Law- A man who claims TO BE God has "committed" Blasphemy.
And any man with an UNCLEAN spirit is a man That has "A" SPIRIT in him, that is Against God.

^ That was the charge (of Jews) Against Jesus.

John 19:
[7] The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

John 10:
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; AND because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Here the Jews are claiming TWO things:
• Jesus HAS an UNCLEAN spirit
AND
• Jesus MADE Himself God.

Scripture reveals;
The Devil will "make himself" god.
The False Prophet will Promote "the Devil is god."
Men will "Make their Allegience", to the Devil "their god", by the "Mark" of the Beast.

I believe-
only fallen angel's, are unclean spirits, and Never Forgiven.
I believe-
Promoting, a False God, is a commission of sin, and like All sins of men (Mark 3,) are forgivable...
• "IF" forgiveness IS "accomplished" Before Physical "Bodily Death."

• Accomplished, meaning, a man repents.
• Before Bodily death, since a dead body knows nothing, can repent of nothing.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Can you give chapter and verse for that concept?

Because I can give chapter and verse that refutes that concept (Romans 4:5-6, Titus 3:5, Romans 11:5-6, Ephesians 2:8-9).

1 John 3:10
10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

This is how we know 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 is not about being saved despite having no works of righteousness (John says such a person is not a child of God). It's about saved Christians being saved despite them having no reward for successful work they have done in the field and building of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Works are descriptive of the one who has a living faith. But works are also prescriptive because they show what faith must look like in order for that faith to save you when Jesus come back.

If you have true living faith in someone. Your trust in them causes you to willingly follow them

true faith will always have works. But works will never save you

 

[FollowHim]

Yesterday a person asked yu a question, you went in circles and did everything but answer his question, then when he continued to ask you the question, you kept going in circles. Then claimed you basically have the right to answer anY you want did yu not?

no you have not changed since I first met you three or four years ago where you slandered me and my faith. And I tried to call you out on it, and in my own pride, became a person I did not like because you made me so angry,

I am not the only one you made angry by you refusal to answer simple basic questions which would put your belief system in doubt if you answered correctly.
Your a proud man peter, I keep praying God will use some one to break that pride, you know why yu are not in that other chatroom now Peter, it’s time for you to fess up and take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming everyone else for your own issues,

I am sorry EG. You think you know me, you believe a question has the answer you define.

I wish I could agree with you to be congenial, but I cannot. In Jesus there is an infinity of answers, but not for you.

I slandered you? I am not involved in talking about your impressions of the past, and these strong angry words. If you can show me my sin I will ask for your forgiveness. I am still amazed at these kind of accusations, when I comment on what is written and expressed. Sadly we can hold "good" things which turn out to be error. Like this expression it has no real content just a structure with a claim I am proud. Proud of what? I am grateful to the Lord of His love and grace. Today my son got married, expressing love and the exploration of truth and love with another. I praise God for His blessing and His leading, what a God we follow, oh how I love Him on bended knee, Hallelujah. God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

Yesterday a person asked yu a question, you went in circles and did everything but answer his question, then when he continued to ask you the question, you kept going in circles. Then claimed you basically have the right to answer anY you want did yu not?

no you have not changed since I first met you three or four years ago where you slandered me and my faith. And I tried to call you out on it, and in my own pride, became a person I did not like because you made me so angry,

I am not the only one you made angry by you refusal to answer simple basic questions which would put your belief system in doubt if you answered correctly.
Your a proud man peter, I keep praying God will use some one to break that pride, you know why yu are not in that other chatroom now Peter, it’s time for you to fess up and take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming everyone else for your own issues,

My friend, what issues?
There is a conversation you are having in your own head, but it is not mine.

The reason the interactions drive you nuts because I am not your projection. Pride you say is an issue? In what?

My emotional impression of some is an idea is found and then driven home to exalt one above another. If this fails it's like they got away so another idea must be created. Christian faith can be the form, but the idiology is irrelevant, the results are the same.

The problem is lovers and followers of Jesus just love and share. They exist in this bubble of the Kingdom, which unless Jesus touches you like this nothing makes sense. Love beyond description, wealth beyond measure, security beyond doubt.

Peter talked of brotherly love sealing us in perfection. I begin to see this, beyond what I know in the world, but rather feeling God's love pouring down. Hallelujah, Praise the Lord.

By the way some think I do not know Jesus, but then the above words mean nothing to them.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

true faith will always have works.

And that is exactly why you must have works to be saved when Jesus comes back. It has nothing to do with works being payment for salvation.

 

[FollowHim]

I wonder how many people have met this. "I love Jesus and desire to follow His ways".
"Liar, hypocrite, unbeliever, anti Christ"
"We should have a clean pure heart and know God's Holiness."
"You disgust me,I spew you out of my mouth."

Believing a lover of Jesus could respond like this to pure scriptural expressions of faith and experience with nothing else said, shows these people do not agree or follow the words of Jesus. The hatred is not hidden, but it is excused because the speaker is evil, deceived, and lost.

Except the speaker has said nothing to be guilty of evil, being deceived or lost. It is all, 100% projection. Jesus died because of this approach. It divided the Kingdom of God from the Kingdom of this world. No child of God's denies God's words like this, it is impossible.

So my brothers and sisters in Christ, it will always be so, and such as these with thorns and thistles will try and tare one apart. This idea of destroying me was written once, which did astound me, which also shows how far these feelings go.. God bless you

 

[Renniks]

1Ti 4:16, Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

I guess that was a yes? Lol, what is saving you, Jesus or your theology?

 

[justbyfaith]

1 John 3:10
10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

This is how we know 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 is not about being saved despite having no works of righteousness (John says such a person is not a child of God). It's about saved Christians being saved despite them having no reward for successful work they have done in the field and building of God.

Except, in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 it becomes clear that there is a singular statement that the one who does not have any gold, silver, or precious gems to show for his life will still be "saved, yet so as by fire."

What do you say of the deathbed conversion? Such a person has never had the opportunity to "practice righteousness".

Do they go to heaven or hell?

I believe that they go to heaven, per Romans 10:13. "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

I guess that was a yes? Lol, what is saving you, Jesus or your theology?

Jesus...and of course, knowing Him accurately.

Doctrine is important.

If you have the wrong Jesus or a different gospel (see 2 Corinthians 11:3-4), you will not be saved.

 

[FollowHim]

I think the misunderstanding comes from them thinking that being justified by faith all by itself apart from works is equivalent to arriving at the Judgment with no works to validate them as having the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works. What most people do not understand is faith that is alone is not the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works. It seems many are counting on that not being true and are thinking they can stand before Jesus when he comes back with no works to prove they have faith but will still inherit eternal life.


That is very clear in scripture. But it's not very clear to most people today.


That is what is happening. But so many people think it does not apply to them because they have faith, whether it is alone or not.

Faith in Jesus is a strange term. If Jesus is God, the creator of all and His intentions are loving, every word we will listen to and think on because it is His gift of life to us.

The issues and feelings go very deep in all of us, right or wrong, and we will blind ourselves to believe as we do. But the people of the light will walk in the light, because that is who they are born of God. Eternally they cannot be anything else.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Except, in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 it becomes clear that there is a singular statement that the one who does not have any gold, silver, or precious gems to show for his life will still be "saved, yet so as by fire."

Listen to what I'm saying. The works in 1 Corinthians 3:7-16 can't be works of personal righteousness because that would make John a liar in 1 John 3:10. If you would just read the context you'd see the work that you don't have to have and still be saved is planting and watering the field of God and constructing the building of God. But if you don't have works of personal righteous living you're showing yourself to not be a child of God and you will not be saved when Jesus returns.