All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

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In the NT we read that the Word who was God ( John 1:1) became flesh and made His Dwelling among us ( John 1:14)

Dwelling literally means " pitched a tent" ie Tabernacled among us and we beheld His Glory( John 1:14).

This is exactly what YHWH did in the OT Tabernacle when He dwelled among His people. John is telling us the same thing here. God the Word pitched His tent( in human flesh) and lived among us and they beheld His Glory just the same as in the OT Tabernacle.

skénoó: to have one's tent, dwell
Original Word: σκηνόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: skénoó
Phonetic Spelling: (skay-no'-o)
Definition: to have one's tent, dwell
Usage: I dwell as in a tent, encamp, have my tabernacle

Just as YHWH was still omnipresent then so to was the Son while He walked this earth.

hope this helps !!!
No, the spoken word of God was made flesh.

Your spoken word is you and God's spoken word is Him.

It is really that easy.

Even notice the spoken word referred to contextually in verse 3 made everything per the spoken word in Gen 1....


3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

....14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


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And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

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And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

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And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

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And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

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And God said,

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Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is Immutable. Like Father like Son .As God the Father and Son share the same attributes as God. If you disagree with this you don't know the first thing about the Triune God of the bible. And surely know nothing about the 2 natures in Christ, the Hypostatic Union. Add the bodily Resurrection onto that list if you disagree with the OP in this thread.

For the sake of everyone on here who believe your ostensible orthodoxy: This 'Christophany' teaches Jesus shed ALL BLOOD in his body and died having no blood in his body left and then rose again WITHOUT BLOOD and forever after will have no flesh of BLOOD-tissue. I tell you because this man contradicts his confession right here, LYING <<God the Father and Son share the same attributes as God>>, because if that were true God the Father must have a body of dry human flesh-matter and bone excluding blood.

This pretender also ERRS AGAINST CHURCH CONFESSION AND SCRIPTURE about <<the 2 natures in Christ>>. Abominable, and I made the mistake to wonder why he would not come forward with his actual beliefs! He has NO truth in his teachings only deceptions here and anywhere else HOWEVER SMOOTH AND SWEET TASTING AND INNOCENT LOOKING.
 

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Amen.

God reveals Himself through the son.

This qualifies the son as the express image of the invisible God.

Speaking of God manifesting himself in the Universe .. in the news today .. they found some Super Massive Black hole .. that has 6 Galaxies in its gravity well. like the hand of God with 6 digits.

So for perspective .. normally a Black hole will have nearby stars in its clutches .. and that is wild - think our closest star is something like 4 light years away .. 300,000Km x 60 x 60 x 24 x 365 = a long way away.

So these black holes are big .. the one's controlling stars. but this thing is controlling galaxies - 6 of them

There are 100 thousand million stars in our galaxy - so 100 Billion and this massive thing is controlling 6 galaxies.
 
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For the sake of everyone on here who believe your ostensible orthodoxy: This 'Christophany' teaches Jesus shed ALL BLOOD in his body and died having no blood in his body left and then rose again WITHOUT BLOOD and forever after will have no flesh of BLOOD-tissue. I tell you because this man contradicts his confession right here, LYING <<God the Father and Son share the same attributes as God>>, because if that were true God the Father must have a body of dry human flesh-matter and bone excluding blood.

This pretender also ERRS AGAINST CHURCH CONFESSION AND SCRIPTURE about <<the 2 natures in Christ>>. Abominable, and I made the mistake to wonder why he would not come forward with his actual beliefs! He has NO truth in his teachings only deceptions here and anywhere else HOWEVER SMOOTH AND SWEET TASTING AND INNOCENT LOOKING.

the ad hominem attacks continue.

I'm perfectly in line with all the Creeds in Christendom regarding the Trinity, Deity of Christ, humanity of Christ and the bodily Resurrection, Ascension and 2nd Coming( Return of Christ).

All you are capable of is false accusations VOID of Scripture.

The readers see this.

hope this helps !!!
 
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the ad hominem attacks continue.

I'm perfectly in line with all the Creeds in Christendom regarding the Trinity, Deity of Christ, humanity of Christ and the bodily Resurrection, Ascension and 2nd Coming( Return of Christ).

All you are capable of is false accusations VOID of Scripture.

The readers see this.

hope this helps !!!

Don't know why you two are on this one for so long .. do you both not agree that at some point the soul leaves the Body ?
 

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Only Satanic heretics believe you when you say Jesus was "made good".

Jumping in here but why would someone claiming that Jesus was good - he came that way .. at some point was created ... made good. There are so many contexts in which such a comment would not be Heretical ..

Explain why you would demonize the claimant as you have done .. calling them "Satanic" .. while you twirl around in a circle with eyes rolled to back of head...

What has you so horrified ? - Sataniel around every corner trying to trick you .. mmmmuuuuuaaaahhh haaaa haaa
 

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I think it is safe to say that you are making things up ... throwing against wall .. and hoping something sticks.

I am coming from the perspective that the holy scriptures do not contradict themselves; whereas it appears that you are coming from the perspective that they can.

Mine is the more orthodox view; and if there is no proof on either side of the argument, saying that I am making things up does not qualify as an argument to support your heretical viewpoint. If I have simply thought of a way for there to be no contradiction in light of your contentions, those who wish to be submitted to orthodoxy will take my side on the issue and believe that there is no contradiction in these scriptures.

Whereas those who desire to believe that "there are many contradictions in the Bible" may continue to believe your contentions. That is their choice; and since it is choice made without any proof, they are accountable to their choice before God as it is a choice that they are making that has to do with unbelief; and since unbelief is a reason why many will perish in hell for all of eternity in everlasting flames, I do believe that the sane individual will take my side on the issue since it is on the side of faith in Jesus and the testimony of Him in the holy scriptures being valid and accurate.

....as you debunk "...why callest thou me good....'.

To say that Jesus is not good is in fact a heretical statement and will not be believed by those who believe in Jesus and are saved through His precious blood.

I like Zechariah 9:9, Isaiah 53:9, and Colossians 1:13, to tell me that Jesus is good.

because if that were true God the Father must have a body of dry human flesh-matter and bone excluding blood.

That is true of Jesus has a similar body(and the jury is out on that). Because it should be clear that Jesus, the 2nd person of the Trinity, is the Father (come in human flesh). While the 1st Person of the Trinity, identified as the Father, is an eternal Spirit who dwells in eternity (Isaiah 57:15) and not in flesh (except after He was incarnated as the Son).
 

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Speaking of God manifesting himself in the Universe .. in the news today .. they found some Super Massive Black hole .. that has 6 Galaxies in its gravity well. like the hand of God with 6 digits.

So for perspective .. normally a Black hole will have nearby stars in its clutches .. and that is wild - think our closest star is something like 4 light years away .. 300,000Km x 60 x 60 x 24 x 365 = a long way away.

So these black holes are big .. the one's controlling stars. but this thing is controlling galaxies - 6 of them

There are 100 thousand million stars in our galaxy - so 100 Billion and this massive thing is controlling 6 galaxies.
Awesome post!
 
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Speaking of God manifesting himself in the Universe .. in the news today .. they found some Super Massive Black hole .. that has 6 Galaxies in its gravity well. like the hand of God with 6 digits.

So for perspective .. normally a Black hole will have nearby stars in its clutches .. and that is wild - think our closest star is something like 4 light years away .. 300,000Km x 60 x 60 x 24 x 365 = a long way away.

So these black holes are big .. the one's controlling stars. but this thing is controlling galaxies - 6 of them

There are 100 thousand million stars in our galaxy - so 100 Billion and this massive thing is controlling 6 galaxies.
You know, this is waaay off topic, but I don't think the fringes of the farthest universe is more than, maximum,... 10,000 light years away.

I think that evo-astromomers have duped Christianity into believing them.

I have a logic based argument against them.
 

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I am coming from the perspective that the holy scriptures do not contradict themselves; whereas it appears that you are coming from the perspective that they can.

Mine is the more orthodox view; and if there is no proof on either side of the argument, saying that I am making things up does not qualify as an argument to support your heretical viewpoint. If I have simply thought of a way for there to be no contradiction in light of your contentions, those who wish to be submitted to orthodoxy will take my side on the issue and believe that there is no contradiction in these scriptures.

Whereas those who desire to believe that "there are many contradictions in the Bible" may continue to believe your contentions. That is their choice; and since it is choice made without any proof, they are accountable to their choice before God as it is a choice that they are making that has to do with unbelief; and since unbelief is a reason why many will perish in hell for all of eternity in everlasting flames, I do believe that the sane individual will take my side on the issue since it is on the side of faith in Jesus and the testimony of Him in the holy scriptures being valid and accurate.



To say that Jesus is not good is in fact a heretical statement and will not be believed by those who believe in Jesus and are saved through His precious blood.

I like Zechariah 9:9, Isaiah 53:9, and Colossians 1:13, to tell me that Jesus is good.



That is true of Jesus has a similar body(and the jury is out on that). Because it should be clear that Jesus, the 2nd person of the Trinity, is the Father (come in human flesh). While the 1st Person of the Trinity, identified as the Father, is an eternal Spirit who dwells in eternity (Isaiah 57:15) and not in flesh (except after He was incarnated as the Son).

There is many obvious contradictions in the Bible - such as the one I gave you .. and there is no way out. Which is why the majority of Christianity does not hold the literalist perspective . .. it just fails - in so many ways.

There was no global flood round 2100-2300 BC ... didn't happen. There were local floods which did some major damage as Sea Level rose. After the last ice age ended round 12000 BC .. many cities were sunk over the millennia as sea levels rose.

I don't believe God is a xenophobic genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics and emotions. A flip flopping God who gives contradicting rules - one stating to kill children and pregnant women for the sins of their parents - and other saying to not kill the kids...

This YHWH God is all of the above .. contrasted with the God of Jesus who is all "love neighbor as self" Judge not .. let ye who is without sin cast the first rock... and so on.. different God.

So God is upset that his creation has turned Evil - regrets that he has created humans. So to fix this mistake .. he wipes out all but Noah and kin.. who will then do what ? Reproduce and start the same cycle of evil all over again.

Did God not know this ? and if he did .. what does that Make God ? That is like having a weed infestation and saying and killing all the weeds .. but saying we will keep a few around and let them grow so they can infest the garden again.

My guess is that God's actions are a slight bit above that of the "dumb and dumber" movie .. in mentality. Don't you ?

Some of the stories in the Bible are allegory .. and you have to look at it that way to avoid "dumb and dumber"..

.. the Literalist perspective is a road to no where.
 

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You know, this is waaay off topic, but I don't think the fringes of the farthest universe is more than, maximum,... 10,000 light years away.

I think that evo-astromomers have duped Christianity into believing them.

I have a logic based argument against them.

What difference does it make 10,000 light years or 10 billion .. it would take us an eternity to get there either way.
There is no "duping" - the purpose of these folks is not to debunk Christianity.

I am a scientist - and so I have familiarized myself with some of the science . and it is what it is - there is 100 Billion stars just in our galaxy.
and a billion galaxies .. .. and this is a good thing .. Just think of all those possible vacation options in the next life ?
 

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You suffer from reinterpretation of scripture to mean something is ok though heresy in your view, and I am a heretic to repeat it.

Your emotional expression reveals your heart. Our emotional stability often ranks higher than our logic. I have done the same myself. Moses knew God, was so close yet failed to honour the Lord and suffered for it.

Thomas said "My Lord and my God"
You cannot be clearer than this.

Jesus called us to have His words in our hearts. He meant so the meaning of the words works through us.

It is obvious when the words do not match our view, we change their meaning. Over time our view changes as the words define the truth and we are set free.

Jesus raised the dead, healed the sick, died as His message of love and ascended into heaven. He was eternal, so no normal man. The disciples realised this was so unusual they declared Him God.

God bless you
I'm sorry, you seem to be oblivious as to how many times that you jumped to unwarranted conclusion, just in that one paragraph.
So, that's it, Thomas said 'my Lord, and my God', therefore, the man standing before him was the almighty, omnipresent and transcendent God?
Horrible, horrible exegesis!
 

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No one called Thomas 'doubting Thomas' before the popes started to worship him and idolize Jesus ''wounds''.
Please read
https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/doubting-thomas.32447/#post-723209#25

I could e-mail you a file (booklet) if I could have your e-mail address.
Thank you, but my question was rhetorical. I was asked why do I believe that at a certain point, Thomas denied Jesus' Messiaship. So, for the sake of brevity, I responded with a rhetorical statement.
 

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Notice the source of Jesus' light that lights the new heaven and earth is his God.

Jesus shines by God's power.
Who will lay the infrastructure and wiring in order to spread Jesus' electricity. What will happen if it rains, will Jesus short-circuit?
 

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I'm sorry, you seem to be oblivious as to how many times that you jumped to unwarranted conclusion, just in that one paragraph.
So, that's it, Thomas said 'my Lord, and my God', therefore, the man standing before him was the almighty, omnipresent and transcendent God?
Horrible, horrible exegesis!
A practicing Jew would never break the commandment to worship other gods. Thomas not only addressed Jesus as His Lord but also as his God. Then worshiped Him after his great confession and Jesus ACCEPTED the worship of Thomas and did not correct him that He was not God.

And yes you have horrible hermenuetics reading your false theology into the text resulting in EISEGESIS.

case closed.

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There is many obvious contradictions in the Bible - such as the one I gave you .. and there is no way out. Which is why the majority of Christianity does not hold the literalist perspective . .. it just fails - in so many ways.

There was no global flood round 2100-2300 BC ... didn't happen. There were local floods which did some major damage as Sea Level rose. After the last ice age ended round 12000 BC .. many cities were sunk over the millennia as sea levels rose.

I don't believe God is a xenophobic genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics and emotions. A flip flopping God who gives contradicting rules - one stating to kill children and pregnant women for the sins of their parents - and other saying to not kill the kids...

This YHWH God is all of the above .. contrasted with the God of Jesus who is all "love neighbor as self" Judge not .. let ye who is without sin cast the first rock... and so on.. different God.

So God is upset that his creation has turned Evil - regrets that he has created humans. So to fix this mistake .. he wipes out all but Noah and kin.. who will then do what ? Reproduce and start the same cycle of evil all over again.

Did God not know this ? and if he did .. what does that Make God ? That is like having a weed infestation and saying and killing all the weeds .. but saying we will keep a few around and let them grow so they can infest the garden again.

My guess is that God's actions are a slight bit above that of the "dumb and dumber" movie .. in mentality. Don't you ?

Some of the stories in the Bible are allegory .. and you have to look at it that way to avoid "dumb and dumber"..

.. the Literalist perspective is a road to no where.
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
 

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What difference does it make 10,000 light years or 10 billion .. it would take us an eternity to get there either way.
There is no "duping" - the purpose of these folks is not to debunk Christianity.

I am a scientist - and so I have familiarized myself with some of the science . and it is what it is - there is 100 Billion stars just in our galaxy.
and a billion galaxies .. .. and this is a good thing .. Just think of all those possible vacation options in the next life ?
Do you know how far 10,000 light years is?

Nothing created is farther than that.
 

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Who will lay the infrastructure and wiring in order to spread Jesus' electricity. What will happen if it rains, will Jesus short-circuit?
"C'mon man!"

LOL
 

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Do you know how far 10,000 light years is?

Nothing created is farther than that.
lol sure....................

The galaxy MACS0647-JD (inset) appears very young and is only a fraction of the size of our own Milky Way. The galaxy is about 13.3 billion light-years from Earth, the farthest galaxy yet known, and formed 420 million years after the Big Bang. Image taken by Hubble Space Telescope on Nov. 29, 2011, and released Nov
 

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lol sure....................

The galaxy MACS0647-JD (inset) appears very young and is only a fraction of the size of our own Milky Way. The galaxy is about 13.3 billion light-years from Earth, the farthest galaxy yet known, and formed 420 million years after the Big Bang. Image taken by Hubble Space Telescope on Nov. 29, 2011, and released Nov
Funny.

The sun is a star.

It is 108 times the size of the earth.

It is 6-8 light minutes away and I can block it out with my thumb.

What would it look like if it was 6-8 light hours away?

Nearly invisible.

There is your stellar measuring stick.
 
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