All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[Truther]

Jesus knew he was the last Adam(redo/reset of the 1st failed Adam).

 

[Heyzeus]

The name" I Am" was so sacred to the Jews that they refused to even pronounce it and take Gods name in vain Ex 7:20. In (John 8:24) Jesus warned that those who refuse to believe He is Yahweh will perish eternally: "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."


(The word "He" is not in the original Greek) Later in that chapter Jesus said 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am (8: 58). Unlike many who deny His deity, the Jews knew exactly what He was claiming as they attempted to stone Him for blasphemy(8:59). In (Jn3:19) Jesus told His disciples that when what He predicted came to pass, they would believe that He is Yahweh.


Even His enemies that came to arrest Him in Gethsemane were overwhelmed by His divine power and fell to the ground when Jesus said "I Am" (Jn18:5-8).Jesus Christ claimed absolute equality with God.


That is why He could say, "I and the Father are one" Jn10:30 "He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me" (Jn12:45) and "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" (14:9-10). In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Col 2:9) and we can worship Him as "our great God and Savior Christ Jesus (Titus 2:13). All of heaven will worship Him. (Rev 5:13-14)


To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever! The four living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped.

hope this helps !!!

This stuff only appears in John - "I and the Father are One" and is perfectly in keeping with the Logos concept. Prior John - 100-120 AD Jesus was not pre-existent with God ... and nobody believed he was .. why would they - they knew only a man who was adopted by a God at his Baptism.. The "Virgin Birth" was not added to the story until 80-100AD .. so prior to the temple being destroyed - Jesus was just a man who was made divine by a God..

They did not know of any physical resurrection stories prior to the Temple being destroyed .. Matt had not yet been written.. Paul does not know of any physical resurrection - Jesus returning in the Flesh .. nor does Clement - round 95-100AD - leader of the Church .. which had gone full Pauline at that point.

By 105-115 AD .. Virgin Birth and resurrection stories from Matt - have taken hold - as the physical resurrection stories .. which are expanded upon in Luke and and John.. Ignatius - "For I know that after His resurrection also He was still possessed of flesh, and I believe that He is so now. When, for instance, He came to those who were with Peter, He said to them, "Lay hold, handle Me, and see that I am not an incorporeal spirit." And immediately they touched Him, and believed, being convinced both by His flesh and spirit. For this cause also they despised death, and were found its conquerors. And after his resurrection He did eat and drink with them, as being possessed of flesh, although spiritually He was united to the Father."

This idea that Jesus Was the Father . was not part of the Equation. Jesus is united to the father spiritually - the Man who was God's adopted son .. adopted at his Baptism - spoke Gods word through the Holy Spirit .. the Truth - The light - the resurrection..

This is how Jesus was pictured at this time period.. not as "The Father" in some Trinity with the HS .. that did not happen for another 250 years.

 

[Heyzeus]

A scoffer says the Lord will not do what he says as per destroying the earth and judging it.

Your post qualified..

Yours is the post that qualified unfortunately - as fallacious circular nonsense. Didn't know we were even discussing "Revelations" and the earth being destroyed .. how did that get into the conversation .. never mind you accusing me of being a scoffer on that basis - false accusation much ?

Are you OK ?

 

[Truther]

This stuff only appears in John - "I and the Father are One" and is perfectly in keeping with the Logos concept. Prior John - 100-120 AD Jesus was not pre-existent with God ... and nobody believed he was .. why would they - they knew only a man who was adopted by a God at his Baptism.. The "Virgin Birth" was not added to the story until 80-100AD .. so prior to the temple being destroyed - Jesus was just a man who was made divine by a God..

They did not know of any physical resurrection stories prior to the Temple being destroyed .. Matt had not yet been written.. Paul does not know of any physical resurrection - Jesus returning in the Flesh .. nor does Clement - round 95-100AD - leader of the Church .. which had gone full Pauline at that point.

By 105-115 AD .. Virgin Birth and resurrection stories from Matt - have taken hold - as the physical resurrection stories .. which are expanded upon in Luke and and John.. Ignatius - "For I know that after His resurrection also He was still possessed of flesh, and I believe that He is so now. When, for instance, He came to those who were with Peter, He said to them, "Lay hold, handle Me, and see that I am not an incorporeal spirit." And immediately they touched Him, and believed, being convinced both by His flesh and spirit. For this cause also they despised death, and were found its conquerors. And after his resurrection He did eat and drink with them, as being possessed of flesh, although spiritually He was united to the Father."

This idea that Jesus Was the Father . was not part of the Equation. Jesus is united to the father spiritually - the Man who was God's adopted son .. adopted at his Baptism - spoke Gods word through the Holy Spirit .. the Truth - The light - the resurrection..

This is how Jesus was pictured at this time period.. not as "The Father" in some Trinity with the HS .. that did not happen for another 250 years.

Jesus was not adopted, but begotten of God.

He was not in an orphanage.

 

[Truther]

Yours is the post that qualified unfortunately - as fallacious circular nonsense. Didn't know we were even discussing "Revelations" and the earth being destroyed .. how did that get into the conversation .. never mind you accusing me of being a scoffer on that basis - false accusation much ?

Are you OK ?

It was 2 Peter 3.

 

[ChristisGod]

This stuff only appears in John - "I and the Father are One" and is perfectly in keeping with the Logos concept. Prior John - 100-120 AD Jesus was not pre-existent with God ... and nobody believed he was .. why would they - they knew only a man who was adopted by a God at his Baptism.. The "Virgin Birth" was not added to the story until 80-100AD .. so prior to the temple being destroyed - Jesus was just a man who was made divine by a God..

They did not know of any physical resurrection stories prior to the Temple being destroyed .. Matt had not yet been written.. Paul does not know of any physical resurrection - Jesus returning in the Flesh .. nor does Clement - round 95-100AD - leader of the Church .. which had gone full Pauline at that point.

By 105-115 AD .. Virgin Birth and resurrection stories from Matt - have taken hold - as the physical resurrection stories .. which are expanded upon in Luke and and John.. Ignatius - "For I know that after His resurrection also He was still possessed of flesh, and I believe that He is so now. When, for instance, He came to those who were with Peter, He said to them, "Lay hold, handle Me, and see that I am not an incorporeal spirit." And immediately they touched Him, and believed, being convinced both by His flesh and spirit. For this cause also they despised death, and were found its conquerors. And after his resurrection He did eat and drink with them, as being possessed of flesh, although spiritually He was united to the Father."

This idea that Jesus Was the Father . was not part of the Equation. Jesus is united to the father spiritually - the Man who was God's adopted son .. adopted at his Baptism - spoke Gods word through the Holy Spirit .. the Truth - The light - the resurrection..

This is how Jesus was pictured at this time period.. not as "The Father" in some Trinity with the HS .. that did not happen for another 250 years.

evasion is your forte as you did not address a single scripture which speaks volumes about your theology or lack thereof.

 

[Truther]

Hey, anyone see this?...
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-oum...den-harris_yardsign__49736.1597183427.jpg?c=1

Divide 2020 by 666 and look at the pic carefully.

 

[Heyzeus]

Jesus was not adopted, but begotten of God.

He was not in an orphanage.

Not according to the Gospel of Mark -

 

[Heyzeus]

It was 2 Peter 3.

Peter .. is Pseudepigrapha

 

[Truther]

Not according to the Gospel of Mark -

God adopted Jesus per Mark?

Where?

 

[Heyzeus]

evasion is your forte as you did not address a single scripture which speaks volumes about your theology or lack thereof.

Now what are you blubbering about ? .. spreading falsehoods - projecting your issues onto me. I provide plenty of scripture.. and it is you who runs away.. Just let me know when to start and see how many posts till you are running from scripture like scared rabbit -because evasion is YOUR - forte :) .. not mine ..

Projection is a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person.

 

[Heyzeus]

God adopted Jesus per Mark?

Where?

At his Baptism... That is how the story begins ... that's how the whole Messiah thingy works ya know :) There is no virgin birth in Mark.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

the Riddler strikes again speak English and make some sort of sense with your reply.

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is Immutable. Like Father like Son .As God the Father and Son share the same attributes as God. If you disagree with this you don't know the first thing about the Triune God of the bible. And surely know nothing about the 2 natures in Christ, the Hypostatic Union. Add the bodily Resurrection onto that list if you disagree with the OP in this thread.

hope this helps !!!

Nope, This helps!
#281 of this thread....
Christophany said: ↑
Obviously you do not no the difference between a glorified body and one that is not. perishable puts on imperishable, mortal immortality, corruptible incorruptible.
If Jesus meant flesh and blood He would of said so but instead He said His Resurrected body is flesh and bones. Luke 24:39
You should believe Jesus instead of your bloody human doctrine.

GE:
No need for me to say a thing more.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

No, it is 2, not 3....


23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

and HOW? By the <<Holy Ghost>>.

 

[ChristisGod]

Nope, This helps!
#281 of this thread....
Christophany said: ↑
Obviously you do not no the difference between a glorified body and one that is not. perishable puts on imperishable, mortal immortality, corruptible incorruptible.
If Jesus meant flesh and blood He would of said so but instead He said His Resurrected body is flesh and bones. Luke 24:39
You should believe Jesus instead of your bloody human doctrine.

GE:
No need for me to say a thing more.

obviously the true meaning of flesh and blood escapes you which is why Jesus said He is FLESH and BONES. They are not the same otherwise Jesus would of said He was flesh and blood instead.

 

[DNB]

I think unbelief is your problem.
Thomas saw all Jesus's ministry and knew Jesus said He would rise again. But as this was impossible, even when the other disciples said it happened he could not accept it.

So Thomas finally admits Jesus is God.
Jesus said to Lazarus, even if people rise from the dead, they will not accept the reality.

Emotional conviction can be wrong. I walked once into a bog/swamp. It looked safe to continue but I was sinking. So I was wrong, what I was sure was safe would kill me. What I did know was reversing my steps was safe. So that is what I did.

No man could be God, until God appeared in human form. If this man was so unusual then maybe. And it's the maybe that opens the door.

Some have no maybe, because they know, except everything we know is faith based, there is no absolute knowledge possible. God bless you

You're just speaking in riddles FH. Why don't you use your own logic and just say, maybe, Thomas did not mean God, as in the supreme deity who created the universe and all things within, seen and unseen. All the expressions that are used in the Bible that refer to God, have also been used for entities that are not God - the Father, the creator of the universe. And thus, maybe Thomas meant god in purpose, not God in essence.

John 10:34-36
10:34. Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I said, you are gods' (theoi)? 35. "If he called them gods (theous), to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36. do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?

Psalms 82:6
I said, "You are gods (elohim), And all of you are sons of the Most High.

 

[DNB]

This comment reminds me always of assumed certainty and security.
For humans to make any stand on any issue we believe we are "right" and it all comes together with a heroic conclusion.

For us to do these acts, our emotions, our convictions, our certainty must point one way. The young 16-25 are most prone to this.
The world is like this, and here is the solution.

After a few years of being put back in ones box, finding out there are equally persuasive positions from another perspective we grow wiser and sometimes unfortunately silent. There is one being above any who can speak clearly with one voice and be right. God.

So what is Gods name. "I am", a present existent from eternity to eternity.

I have heard many names for gods, conflicts of emotion authority judgement etc. but never "I am" other than from the Lord.
The reason human created gods do not have such a profound name, because it seems not to be a name at all, no grandeur or domination, or justice, or pomp, or all the things a god should have. Except in this one name eternity and His presence is summed up perfectly.

No creation, no beginning, no end, nothing that can encompass or limit who the Lord is. You cannot defeat or oppose "I am", because He is always present and has always been, and will be always. He dominates all, because created things need energy, need life, have a beginning and an end, so "I am" can choose to do nothing and the created will disappear.

So when "I am" says Jesus is His son, Jesus is His son. When Jesus becomes the atoning sacrifice for sin, that is what He is. When love is the core of the Kingdom, it is who God is, then that is reality, which we need to let come out and be the centre of our focus.

To bind "I am" to human understanding and ideas, is to take on the creator by the created which is true foolishness. Like flowers in a field, all such foolishness will flower, bloom and fade, like the setting sun. But "I am" still reigns and sees the new day. God bless you

Yes, but not all flowers bloom, for where there is no water nor fertile soil, there is no growth. But, of course, a seed is required also, but not all seeds are equal. One must ask, 'from where did this seed derive?', or 'what is the potential of this seed?'. Some seeds may appear rather small, and yet, they produce a plant of majestic size. We understand of course, that sunlight is required for a seed's growth, otherwise known as photosynthesis. And this is why we find that the tropics, or regions of intense and sustained heat, will produce some of the most robust and diverse vegetation known to man. Take the Amazon for example, or the regions of the Nile in Africa. And this is the reason why populations have settled in such fertile areas, namely the fertile crescent (land of milk and honey). For was it not John the Baptist whos diet consisted solely of wild honey and locusts?

You see FH, God is love and in Him there is no darkness. So what is the conclusion then, that it is an evil thing to turn off the lights in one's house? Is not the conservation of energy a prudent approach to take? Does God find pleasure with the prodigal and squanderous?
So, as Jesus said to his disciples, after they alerted him that his family were requesting his presence, 'who are my family, who are my sisters and brothers, is it not those who do the will of God?' Thus, not all things appear to be as the seem on the surface. This is why laser eye correction has had such an impact on many people's lives.
But, do remember FH, stay sanitized and practice social distancing, Covid is real!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

If a random person goes through a day without sinning, does God qualify them as good?

If I could go a random moment without sinning, does God qualify me as good? He might because He is merciful; problem is I cannot for one random moment go without sinning.

 

[ChristisGod]

If I could go a random moment without sinning, does God qualify me as good? He might because He is merciful; problem is I cannot for one random moment go without sinning.

so you sin 24/7 ?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

so you sin 24/7 ?

I am a sinner yes! God be merciful to ME A SINNER