So you keep saying and I keep saying that I don't believe in fairy stories. I have had 40 years to study the subject so I should know what I am talking about don't you think? probably not as pro-aborts seem to think that they are the only ones that have any understanding of the subject.
You have said that how many times now .. 40 years .. well pal .. I only have 35 years .. but know way more than you do. You don't even know the main arguments on the other side .. you have spent 40 years in your own myopic perspective .. blind as a bat.
Claiming 18 Days after conception is wildly below kindergarten level - first off .. what you mean is "implantation" .. which happens a week or two after conception . Big difference when you are talking 18 days .. .. especially if implantation doesn't happen for the first 10 ..
But even so .. even claiming 18 days after implantation is simple ignorance of the issue... you can detect some pulses of energy perhaps but by no means is this a regular heart beat - and in no way have you claimed how having such a thing is significant .. you have a living thing being formed .. the energy of the collective increases with time .. that does not mean the soul has landed.
As a Research Scientist - Chemistry/Microbiology - I know a thing or two about how things work - and am not easily fooled .. so save your 40 years fallacy .. just as the above pud measurement is also "appeal to authority" fallacy - and put your cards on the table.
So I disagree with that claim that defacto - a soul exists -18 days after conception - or even after implantation - and certainly a "Person" can not be said to exist.
Around day 5 - the blastocyst has formed .. not sure how long it takes for the 300 or so cells to form the initial blastocyst off top of head but.. but prior to this point there is not a single human cell that will be part of the human structure under creation .. just a bunch of totipotent worker drones .. real special ones .. each an exact copy of the zygote - each able to create a new human.. So if the single cell - at conception folks are correct .. we have 300 new souls at this point..
Inside this sack the embryoblast forms ... then at a certain point the embryoblast has to take a dangerous journey - where the risk of failure is high .. en rout to implantation... its like 10 days roughly .. there is not much of anything on day 18 .. two weeks after day 18 .. OK .. your first pulses of energy - more as a function of growth than beating .. a little thump here and there..
So these 300 totipotent cells then start spitting out differentiated and specialized cells - these are the ones that make up the human structure .. the embryoblast. - hopefully this at least moves your bar from Conception .. to this point.
So these cells implant - then multiply .. but it is not until round week 22-24 that the actual wiring of the brain is complete - this fleshy home in which the soil will implant - then lights up like a xmas tree .. as that wiring completes and as the soul alites.
For prior to this time - -even if the soul did land .. it would be completely oblivious to anything - not having the wiring in place.
This is the majority position from a logical perspective but, from a political and religious perspective I think this is the most logical as well.
Clearly abortion will not be banned - not happening .. so from a political perspective this is a dead issue.. What does have a chance is getting some reasonable limits in place - so that we are not aborting babies while kicking and screaming.
Reasonable people can disagree - but still come to a reasonable consensus - "At conception" is not reasonable - not logically, not scientifically .. and not religiously either .. and you already lost the scriptural debate with me so don't bother .. abortion is what is being proscribed in numbers .. and "I knew you in the womb" is easily refuted.. via the progression of the soul conversation -
Sure God knew you prior to your soul entering the flesh .. but that does not mean your soul has entered the flesh at conception though .. now does it !? and further .. just because he knew the one soul - a soul for which he had a special purpose - does not mean he know's your soul.
So the second is not as good a refutation as the first - but still holds. The first refutation you can't touch. You don't know when the soul hits and saying "neither do you" does not help your case.
that said .. least I have a logical explanation for when I think the soul might alight. If your brain dead - your not much aware of this world ..
I think therefor I am -