The False Doctrine with key word "COVER"

[ChristisGod]

I would rather read and learn what the Jewish apostles mean. They are the ones inspired.

One of the Semitic writing styles of Jews is called parallelisms. Writing the same thing twice using different words for clarity. One word explains the other. Here are a couple examples if you want to learn advanced theology, and not just what tickles your ears.

Acts 4:33
And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus.
And great grace was upon them all.

1 Corinthians 1:
4 I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus, 5 that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge, 6 even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, 7 so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 8 who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. (That is why the Book of Revelation is about the second coming of Christ.)

And oh look: the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus, 5 that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge
Humble yourself and want to learn. I do know what I'm talking about.

like I said dunamus is not charis, power is not grace 2 different words.

I will pass on your "advanced " theology when you cannot even give a biblical definition of charis(grace).

that is like saying justification is the same as sanctification.

No real bible student would ever use a dictionary from the world to define biblical words and their meaning. They would use a Hebrew and Greek dictionary not an english dictionary.

You are reading your doctrine into scripture which is eisegesis and using unbiblical sources for your definitions. That results in chaos and false teaching.

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

It is not something you can produce with a carnal nature - I think you know that.

Yes, I agree. We cannot produce holiness from our flesh.

How do we obtain holiness?

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Humble yourself and want to learn. I do know what I'm talking about.

how is that since you do not even know the meaning of charis ( Grace). You falsely say it means power when the Greek word for power is dunamis. The Biblical definition of Grace below means :


charis: grace, kindness
Original Word: χάρις, ιτος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: charis
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ece)
Definition: grace, kindness
Usage: (a) grace, as a gift or blessing brought to man by Jesus Christ, (b) favor, (c) gratitude, thanks, (d) a favor, kindness.

Cognate: 5485 xáris (another feminine noun from xar-, "favor, disposed to, inclined, favorable towards, leaning towards to share benefit") – properly, grace. 5485 (xáris) is preeminently used of the Lord's favor – freely extended to give Himself away to people (because He is "always leaning toward them").

5485 /xáris ("grace") answers directly to the Hebrew (OT) term 2580 /Kaná ("grace, extension-toward"). Both refer to God freely extending Himself (His favor, grace), reaching (inclining) to people because He is disposed to bless (be near) them.

[5485 (xáris) is sometimes rendered "thanks" but the core-idea is "favor, grace" ("extension towards").]


James 3:1
My brethren, be not many teachers, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

The Biblical definition of Grace

1 Corinthians 1
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Of him are ye in Christ Jesus. God's favor towards us in giving Jesus to us, by bringing us into Christ. And now Christ Jesus is made unto us wisdom, wisdom from above, the righteousness of God, sanctification and redemption, the restoration of the image of God in Christ.

Much love!

 

[Nancy]

I believe I am always capable of sin, and I also believe I still live in things I have not yet been shown are sin.

My biggest fear for you is you lack understanding of what is being actuaaly said in SCripture. Especially this verse:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

If you only bothered to do a language study of these verses and see what John originally wrote you would not declare yourself as not sinning since you got saved!

There is a reason verse 8 stands in contrast to verse 9

and verse 7 declares that His blood keeps cleansing us from sins.

As for me, I hate to sin, for it grieves HIs Spirit which lives in me. But I am also glad that when I do sin, God has given me 1 John 1:9 and this:

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

It is sad you do not know the privilege and jopy of knowing jesus as your advocate!

1 John 2:1
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

Amen. A very comforting verse.

"As for me, I hate to sin, for it grieves HIs Spirit which lives in me."

He sure does cause us to hate sin as He does, and continues to if we pray for a hatred of it. I think you said somewhere that He continues to show us sin in our lives that we hadn't even thought was sin! Amen.

 

[ChristisGod]

1 John 2:1
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

Amen. A very comforting verse.

"As for me, I hate to sin, for it grieves HIs Spirit which lives in me."

He sure does cause us to hate sin as He does, and continues to if we pray for a hatred of it. I think you said somewhere that He continues to show us sin in our lives that we hadn't even thought was sin! Amen.

Amen we love what God loves and hate what God hates. I like to keep things simple.

 

[marks]

Acts 4:33
And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus.
And great grace was upon them all.

The apostles, with great power, gave witness to Jesus' resurrection. And great grace was upon all of them.

The first describes the apostles in particular, the second describes everybody there, so I would not say these are being made equivalent.

And oh look: the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus, 5 that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge

"that you were enriched", not, for instance, "by which you were enriched". God gives grace in enriching us in everything.

The grace of God which was given to you - literally, in Christ Jesus, that you were enriched . . .

Again I'll say that charis speaks of God's favor in giving to us Christ, and in Christ we receive all things.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

like I said dunamus is not charis, power is not grace 2 different words.

I will pass on your "advanced " theology when you cannot even give a biblical definition of charis(grace).

that is like saying justification is the same as sanctification.

No real bible student would ever use a dictionary from the world to define biblical words and their meaning. They would use a Hebrew and Greek dictionary not an english dictionary.

You are reading your doctrine into scripture which is eisegesis and using unbiblical sources for your definitions. That results in chaos and false teaching.

hope this helps !!!

Proverbs 1:7

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes, I agree. We cannot produce holiness from our flesh.

How do we obtain holiness?

Much love!

Through the power of the Holy Spirit. We must be born again.

 

[CharismaticLady]

how is that since you do not even know the meaning of charis ( Grace). You falsely say it means power when the Greek word for power is dunamis. The Biblical definition of Grace below means :


charis: grace, kindness
Original Word: χάρις, ιτος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: charis
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ece)
Definition: grace, kindness
Usage: (a) grace, as a gift or blessing brought to man by Jesus Christ, (b) favor, (c) gratitude, thanks, (d) a favor, kindness.

Cognate: 5485 xáris (another feminine noun from xar-, "favor, disposed to, inclined, favorable towards, leaning towards to share benefit") – properly, grace. 5485 (xáris) is preeminently used of the Lord's favor – freely extended to give Himself away to people (because He is "always leaning toward them").

5485 /xáris ("grace") answers directly to the Hebrew (OT) term 2580 /Kaná ("grace, extension-toward"). Both refer to God freely extending Himself (His favor, grace), reaching (inclining) to people because He is disposed to bless (be near) them.

[5485 (xáris) is sometimes rendered "thanks" but the core-idea is "favor, grace" ("extension towards").]


James 3:1
My brethren, be not many teachers, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

hope this helps !!!

ROFL There are two definitions. You only know one, and misapply divine power as unmerited favor. You are belittling God.

 

[CharismaticLady]

The apostles, with great power, gave witness to Jesus' resurrection. And great grace was upon all of them.

The first describes the apostles in particular, the second describes everybody there, so I would not say these are being made equivalent.



"that you were enriched", not, for instance, "by which you were enriched". God gives grace in enriching us in everything.

The grace of God which was given to you - literally, in Christ Jesus, that you were enriched . . .

Again I'll say that charis speaks of God's favor in giving to us Christ, and in Christ we receive all things.

Much love!

marks you like to dissect words, so I would think you would like studying Semitic writing styles to. Acts 4:33 shows that grace is power. Now if I can just get you interested in always taking note of context, we might get on the same page completely.

 

[marks]

Now if I can just get you interested in always taking note of context,

What do you really think of these little snipes?

Just wondering . . .

 

[marks]

marks you like to dissect words, so I would think you would like studying Semitic writing styles to. Acts 4:33 shows that grace is power. Now if I can just get you interested in always taking note of context, we might get on the same page completely.

And I can't help but notice, not real response to any of my content, just that little sniping.

?

 

[CharismaticLady]

What do you really think of these little snipes?

Just wondering . . .

I want you to grow in that area you don't care about.

 

[marks]

Acts 4:33 shows that grace is power.

Only if you make that assumption that this bit of Greek writing is Hebrew parallelism. You do know, right, that Hebrew parallelism encompasses the same, the similar, the contrasting, the opposites, and finer nuances that those.

In this instance, the apostles preached with power, and everyone had great grace. These words are not rendered equivalent in this passage.

Now, let's be real about this. You should well know that for some time I held the same view, that God's grace was His power in us. And I argued that view. But now I've reversed myself, and I no longer think that is so.

You can make this sound like I'm being shallow, ignorant, whatever, but just remember what is true.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I want you to grow in that area you don't care about.

Answered with a snipe.

Great.

Once again it desolves to Ad Hominem instead of discussion of the topic.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Only if you make that assumption that this bit of Greek writing is Hebrew parallelism. You do know, right, that Hebrew parallelism encompasses the same, the similar, the contrasting, the opposites, and finer nuances that those.

In this instance, the apostles preached with power, and everyone had great grace. These words are not rendered equivalent in this passage.

Now, let's be real about this. You should well know that for some time I held the same view, that God's grace was His power in us. And I argued that view. But now I've reversed myself, and I no longer think that is so.

You can make this sound like I'm being shallow, ignorant, whatever, but just remember what is true.

Much love!

I know it is a Semitic parallelism, and 2 Peter 1:2-4 confirms it. Westerners like us would do well to understand the Jewish mindset to understand their important writings.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Answered with a snipe.

Great.

Once again it desolves to Ad Hominem instead of discussion of the topic.

we've gone over the importance of context, and all you cared about was the definition of each word separately. You miss the style completely.

 

[marks]

I know it is a Semitic parallelism, and 2 Peter 1:2-4 confirms it. Westerners like us would do well to understand the Jewish mindset to understand their important writings.

Ah, the "westerners" argument.

I'm looking at the linguistics of the passage. Greek is a very precise language. Just the same, Christ in you, not something separate from Him.

Much love!

 

[marks]

we've gone over the importance of context, and all you cared about was the definition of each word separately. You miss the style completely.

Oh nonsense!

If you want to discuss the passages, fine. You just want to share your opinions of me, I'm not interested.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Ah, the "westerners" argument.

I'm looking at the linguistics of the passage. Greek is a very precise language. Just the same, Christ in you, not something separate from Him.

Much love!

To a German what must they think when we use a phrase like, the guy let the cat out of the bag?