It is my humble opinion that anyone who would vote for Biden is wicked, deceived, stupid, or all three. Do you have no discernment at all? I guess it could be brainwashing. I don't take pleasure in criticizing strangers, but man, give yourself a shake!
If you Want a Powerful Strong Spirit-filled Church... Vote for Biden.
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Jesus was justifiable rebuking the church. Just like in Isaiah 58. But one needs to be totally certain it's justified. John the baptist rebuked here for adultery... Justifiable because as the head of the nation how actions were hypocritical. Like Ahab. Both married to foreign queens. With their foreign gods. Leading the nation into apostasy. And I see some leaders of the church doing the same thing. Only in reverse... The so called bride marrying a foreign king. But the analogy works well when one considers the woman prophetically as the church...marrying the state.
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How is 'voting for Trump' seen as 'affiliating the church with the state' ?
Romans 13:1 and 1Peter2:13 command the church to be subject to, and submit to, the governing authorities.
Voting is a simple way to do that.
It isn't yet. But from my perspective it appears that the current situation presents a danger of that happening. And don't believe for a moment that a Catholic dominated Supreme Court would in the right circumstances hesitate to interpret the first amendment as anything like a separation clause.
Sorry, but I find your perspective on history quite perplexing. And equating a persecuting church with Christ quite distasteful.
Philip James
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And I find your constant innuendo and calumny against the Catholic Church distasteful.
May the Lord have mercy on us both!
He will rule them with an iron rod. Like clay vessels will they be smashed,
amigo de christo
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YEP it was clear that jeremiah could not stay on his course of being silent . HE had to speak out and warn out .
Yes indeed . That same fire needs to a burning in all the lambs hearts . its time to warn , exhort and get that church focused
back on sound bible doctrine .
We are about to hear this call , I COUNSEL THEE to buy of me the Gold that is tried in the fire , be zealous and repent .
Cause i warn us all , heavy persecutions , chastisments are coming .
amigo de christo
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That is what he is saying . never the less , we wont be voting even more evil into office so that good may come .
IN the end GOD is going to set up who is president . And DIRE persecutions are coming . But we must never do evil that good may come .
Ronald Nolette
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Well given that He is anti-God and His party is very anti christian, it will force luke warm Christians to fire up or leave!
So yes persecution of the church has always brought about great revival.
As it is said- The blood of the martyr is the seed of the church!
Ziggy
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It's kind of like reverse psychology.
The Church will RISE if Biden is elected.
It will FIGHT for it's survival.
Although I've seen a lot more people waking up since 2016.
Those old bones are shaking..
Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Don't fret..
For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
A vote for Biden.. still it's a scary thought.
The Church will RISE if Biden is elected.
It will FIGHT for it's survival.
Although I've seen a lot more people waking up since 2016.
Those old bones are shaking..
Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Don't fret..
For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
A vote for Biden.. still it's a scary thought.
We may be thinking alike but you left it to me to get into all kinds of crap for actually saying it.
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Hidden In Him
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Yes I did, LoL. But you apparently wanted to dive head first on your own initiative.
P.S. May the Lord have mercy on you, LoL.
I've been reading a lot of opinion from Christians in the States regarding this election. Of course the vast majority support Trump with but a few exceptions. One common theme runs through them all. If Biden gets in, and Harris and co start to run the show, the common consensus is that the church will suffer because all the left are outrageously anti Christian and want all signs of religion expunged from society. Such 'persecutions' and 'Antichrist' sentiments will hurt the church and decimate society.
Well, I agree that such behavior from the extreme left is possible. And the effect might even resemble the common sentiment of the conservative right. What I disagreed with, and why I continued to suggest that a Biden win would actually strengthen the church, is the lesson of history that teaches us the complete absence of any example where persecution didn't in fact benefit the church, and it was during times of intense persecution that the church enjoyed it's greatest and most sustained growth. Thus, a Spirit filled strong church is more likely, perhaps even guaranteed under a Biden/Harris administration. For the reasons outlined above.
On the contrary side, there is also an absence of a strong Spirit filled church which united with the state power in unholy matrimony. In fact, the closer the church bound itself to the state, the more likely apostasy resulted.
So, what I see in the current situation in America is quite the conundrum. One side is the ungodly detestable corrupt Democrats promoting all the wicked practices such as liberal lgbtq stuff, conception to birth abortion, uncontrolled immigration, anti constitution policies etc etc etc. On the other side there is ostensibly a stand against sex slavery trafficking and pedophilia, tighter abortion laws, conservative foreign policy, law and order, less political correctness etc etc. The problem though is that union of church and state... an evangelical and charismatic rejection of the reformation, a call to return to Rome, an image to that union of church and state that brought devastation to Europe during the dark ages and thus setting a course for the global acceptance of the Antichrist as Revelation 13 and 18 clearly reveals.
So, who to vote for? The whore and her daughters cosying up to the state, and a comfortable but weak church, or vote for a band of corrupt abominables who will persecute the church and initiate a latter day revival? Either way the NWO has a hold on both camps through secret societies but has manipulated society it seems to guide the people into favouring red at this stage. Clear? Likely not lol.
Well, I agree that such behavior from the extreme left is possible. And the effect might even resemble the common sentiment of the conservative right. What I disagreed with, and why I continued to suggest that a Biden win would actually strengthen the church, is the lesson of history that teaches us the complete absence of any example where persecution didn't in fact benefit the church, and it was during times of intense persecution that the church enjoyed it's greatest and most sustained growth. Thus, a Spirit filled strong church is more likely, perhaps even guaranteed under a Biden/Harris administration. For the reasons outlined above.
On the contrary side, there is also an absence of a strong Spirit filled church which united with the state power in unholy matrimony. In fact, the closer the church bound itself to the state, the more likely apostasy resulted.
So, what I see in the current situation in America is quite the conundrum. One side is the ungodly detestable corrupt Democrats promoting all the wicked practices such as liberal lgbtq stuff, conception to birth abortion, uncontrolled immigration, anti constitution policies etc etc etc. On the other side there is ostensibly a stand against sex slavery trafficking and pedophilia, tighter abortion laws, conservative foreign policy, law and order, less political correctness etc etc. The problem though is that union of church and state... an evangelical and charismatic rejection of the reformation, a call to return to Rome, an image to that union of church and state that brought devastation to Europe during the dark ages and thus setting a course for the global acceptance of the Antichrist as Revelation 13 and 18 clearly reveals.
So, who to vote for? The whore and her daughters cosying up to the state, and a comfortable but weak church, or vote for a band of corrupt abominables who will persecute the church and initiate a latter day revival? Either way the NWO has a hold on both camps through secret societies but has manipulated society it seems to guide the people into favouring red at this stage. Clear? Likely not lol.
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I don't know what you read or where you get your theology from, but I have to admit that I thought spiritual power came from God, not Joe Biden.
Ziggy
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Our Bill of Rights doesn't allow for the Government to choose a State run religion.
Jefferson wrote,
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."
The establishment clause separates church from state, but not religion from politics or public life. Individual citizens are free to bring their religious convictions into the public arena. But the government is prohibited from favoring one religious view over another or even favoring religion over non-religion.
I hope it stays that way.
Mmmm. I would go along wholeheartedly with your post, except for the part that suggests that my theology incorporates such a theory. And incidentally, no where in any of my above posts did I even remotely suggest that spiritual power comes from Biden. Um, in summary, and no offense intended, but your post like several others before it comes from a position of a failure to understand the topic at hand. I assume you read the first post and reacted. Quite understandable I guess considering the content, but when placed in context with further information you may I hope be more enlightened. Sadly, many people read the Bible the same way. They read one sentence and make a doctrine of it.
While I agree with you, there are a number of factions and lobbyists who would have it different to one degree or another.
I love the intentions of your founding fathers. Jefferson, and Madison in particular, along with John Locke of England who I understand had an influence. But not everyone agreed. Particularly the Catholic church. The Vatican and her many representatives have railed against the constitution from its inception. Only in the last few decades has the CC seen fit to approach the subject of religious liberty with a little more finesse and guile, not wanting to rock the boat so to speak so much now that the general public has so much free access to information. Rome's hatred for Protestantism and the American Constitution if more publicly expressed today would not be a good look.
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