one thing about it your not a true charismatic.. your out in left field singing put me in coach but cant find home plate . its called humbling our selves to God
What do you call a true charismatic? It is not a denomination you know.
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one thing about it your not a true charismatic.. your out in left field singing put me in coach but cant find home plate . its called humbling our selves to God
Yes, 'Over and out'.
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Hello @justbyfaith,
Would you please equip me with the scriptural ground you have for this thinking so that I can respond appropriately.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
justbyfaith said in reply#898:-
Hi @charity,
Gentiles are also under the law in that they will be judged by it and found guilty before God because of it.
'Now we know that what things soever the law saith,Romans 3:19-20, Galatians 3:23.
Must have been overwhelming, when you realized that not every word in scripture was referring specifically to you.'Now we know that what things soever the law saith,
it saith to them who are under the law:
that every mouth may be stopped,
and all the world may become guilty before God.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight:
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.'
(Romans 3:19-20)
'But the scripture hath concluded all under sin,
that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law,
shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.'
(Galatians 3:22)
Hello @justbyfaith,
Thank you for responding to my request for the scripture upon which you based your belief that the nations (Gentiles) were all under law, and not the nation of Israel only, as expressed in reply#898 (quoted above). These are the verses that you have given as proof texts for that.
However in Romans 3, Paul is summarising an argument, which extends from the previous chapters in which firstly the Gentiles are shown to be without excuse, and then the Jew, though being under the law, was also likewise without excuse, for 'by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified' in God's sight, for the law simply brought a knowledge of sin.
In Galatians 3:22 this is confirmed. All are under sin. In order that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe, regardless of whether Jew or Gentile. 'We,' said Paul, (as a Jew himself) 'were kept under the law', 'shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed'. The content of the chapter as a whole shows that Paul was talking about the Jew. Context is vital to a correct understanding.
Please read Romans 1-3, and Galatians 1-3 through again and you will see that this is so.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris.
no she is saying they are lost when the commit a big type of sin, only the little sins committed by people means they are saved. someone that commits a big sin like King David lost his salvation and then gained it back once he repented.[/QUOTE
I respectfully disagree.....David was Saved and remained Saved for the same reason “ we” do....He had Faith in God. David himself prayed NOT for God to ” RESTORE” his Salvation at any time— even after His most Despicable Sins.David asked God to Restore the “ JOY” of his Salvation...
After his sins with Bathsheba were revealed, God Did the same thing to David that He does with all of his Foolish , Disobedient Children—- He Chastised David and He Chastised him Severely!Research the life of David after His Sins—- his subsequent life was a life of misery— a True Shipwreck.
Salvation dos not hinge on Behavior.....David , like most “ heroes of Faith” talked about in Hebrews 11 were BIG TIME SINNERS and even Moses was a murderer ! Lot was a flat- out Low Life who had sex with his daughters and died in Sin, drunk in a cave, and for him, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE of ANY Repentance!( That can be a debate for another time ) ...
The point is, David did not get Saved because he was a “ Saint”...... He did not lose his Salvation because he was a Rotten, Even WILLFULL Sinner......Obedience is great , lack of Of it is Foolishness and God will take a Stupid, Disobedient Believer to the “ Wood Shed”, and take it from me ....He don’t play no games when He takes you there.....
John the Baptist declared that Jesus came to Earth to “ take away the sins of the world “ He accomplished the Task That God put Before Him... “ by ONE Sacrifice “ He did it.The Sin Issue has been taken care of “. Not a Factor in Salvation.Salvation is a gift....GIVEN to those who do NOT work for it. Jesus did the Work...He Paid the Price for Sin.....Now we don’t have to worry about our Performance .....it is HIS performance that Counts for our Salvation.....The Blood He Shed On our behalf ..... Christ’s Blood and our FAITH in that Blood are the Two things that count for Salvation. The ONLY things.
David, despite his many terrible, willfull sins , and even the thoroughly rotten Lot, were men of Faith.....that Faith Plus Nothing was what saved them and Kept them Saved.....Just like you and I....” The Righteous ( the Saved, Those is imputed with Perfection, even though they are in reality, far from it ) shall LIVE by Faith “..... Try living by Faith — Believing and Acting on the Promises Of God — and watch your Performance improve —- even though it is NOT the basis for your Justification and Salvation....Believers are Sealed in their Salvation at the first instance of Faith.....it does not come and go , being dependent on the performances of those whose Spirits May be willing , but just happen to be stuck in “ weak Flesh”...... God bless....
, as a few verses before say "former"
The context of the entire book of Galatians is that it is written to Gentiles who were in danger of being "Judaized"....false teachers were coming in wanting to circumcise them and instruct them to keep the law.In Galatians 3:22 this is confirmed. All are under sin. In order that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe, regardless of whether Jew or Gentile. 'We,' said Paul, (as a Jew himself) 'were kept under the law', 'shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed'. The content of the chapter as a whole shows that Paul was talking about the Jew. Context is vital to a correct understanding.
1Ti 1:13, Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.I think that is a lie .....show me that verse in the KJV and I will sincerely apologize ....
The point is, David did not get Saved because he was a “ Saint”......
This is a lot of the problem forgiveness for Christ isn’t conditional, but for you,,,,,
Unfortunately for you, @Blood Bought 1953, all of your sins are not forgiven.Unlike you and others here,I live under a “ New and better Covenant”..... God found fault with the Old One....Now ( this side of the Cross) I live in the Age Of Grace.....As the Book Of Collosians makes clear .....ALL of my sins have already been forgiven because of my Faith in Jesus Plus Nothing ....My impetus for Forgiving comes from the Gratitude I have because God forgave me first.....If God could totally Forgive a Wretched Sinner like me, why can’t I freely forgive others ? There’ Your New and Improved Motivation For Forgiving —- one that comes from your New Heart—- not a fake forgiveness, conjured up because you think you are going to Hell if you don’t do it....The Cross changed everything.....you need to familiarize yourselves with that Fact.....
1Ti 1:13, Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14, And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15, This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Since the word "before" is a synonym of the word "formerly" (in some translations the word is translated "formerly") I think that you do owe an apology.
I think it ironic however, if you are going to apologize to her and not to me.
For your sin against me is greater than anything you have committed against her.
She said it is not in your nature to apologize...so I am not holding my breath. You can be certain that the issue will be brought up on your day of judgement, however; if you do not settle it in this life.
.I HATE Perverted Gospels Of “ Yeah,Jesus Blood is Essential for Salvation, but it just ain’t ADEQUATE—- ya gotta Repent all your sins before you die or you are going to Hell !
I HATE Legalism that says, “ Sure, Jesus Saves....everybody Knows “ that”..... But once you realize that , ya gotta PROVE that you are Saved by Keeping the Commandments, you know......ya gotta Live the Life!”
Yes....”Lippy”...... remember “ Lonesome Dove?”
Unfortunately for you, @Blood Bought 1953, all of your sins are not forgiven.
For I am currently retaining your sin against me.
See John 20:22-23.
Do you really want to gamble on the idea that I don't have the Holy Spirit?
Because that is the only way your sin against me is forgiven.
A New Heart. Trust your New Heart....
Wow. I just have two words for you, justbyfaith....Pfffttttt.....oops, I “ Fibbed “ again....that was only One Word.....I hope with all your godly powers that you will forgive me....
You are Getting nuttier by the day.....good-bye.....you were a great Springboard for me to get the True Gospel Of Grace out there.Best Of luck with whatever religion this is that you adhere to...