Apostolic councils?

[Marymog]

but its a "group" that decides who is a church. how are you not getting that?

Oh trust me, I get it. The problem is that YOU don't get it and haven't figure out what that "group" is. I have made it VERY clear that I get it. I once was like you. Lost and rudderless in a storm. Those were dark days.

 

[Marymog]

do you understand that there is a difference between human beings and robots?

Your point???

 

[jaybird]

Oh trust me, I get it. The problem is that YOU don't get it and haven't figure out what that "group" is. I have made it VERY clear that I get it. I once was like you. Lost and rudderless in a storm. Those were dark days.

no, i dont think you get it, you point to a bible verse and say "thats our group/church" but what you dont seem to get is every church does the exact same thing.

 

[jaybird]

Your point???

you think that if everyone does not come to the exact same conclusion about every interpretation in the bible like programmed robots, all hope is lost. why do you worry so much about what other people think? is your faith that fragile?

Jesus was one man, the church at that time was made up of many, they all thought Jesus was wrong, if we followed your philosophy we would jump right in with the corrupt temple leadership. Jesus, the 12, John, etc knew what was right and they did not let the corrupt "official" church at their time influence their thought.

 

[Marymog]

no, i dont think you get it, you point to a bible verse and say "thats our group/church" but what you dont seem to get is every church does the exact same thing.

And you haven't pointed to ANY bible verse to back up your opinions soooooooo.....Where does that leave us?

 

[Marymog]

you think that if everyone does not come to the exact same conclusion about every interpretation in the bible like programmed robots, all hope is lost. why do you worry so much about what other people think? is your faith that fragile?

Jesus was one man, the church at that time was made up of many, they all thought Jesus was wrong, if we followed your philosophy we would jump right in with the corrupt temple leadership. Jesus, the 12, John, etc knew what was right and they did not let the corrupt "official" church at their time influence their thought.

Yup, Scripture teaches there are sound doctrines and false doctrines put forth by false teachers. soooooooo we must all come to the same conclusion just like they did at the council of Jerusalem.

Jesus prayer: I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.

Notice how Jesus didn't pray that we may all have our own interpretations, our own beliefs or be divided. Scripture makes it clear in MUTLITPLE PASSAGES that we must all come to the same conclusion.

I prefer to follow the teaching of Scripture and fulfill Jesus prayer. Do you?

 

[DNB]

Lol...Man is left on his own??? God abandoned us to all figure out what is true doctrine and what is a false teaching from false teachers?????
Oh goodness....I don't feel abandoned. It makes me sad that you feel abandoned by God.

...no, you don't feel abandoned now, Marymog, but without exception you will be on Judgment Day - by all those tyrants and charlatans that insisted to you, and threatened you, that only they have the truth, ....they will deny that they ever taught you a word.

 

[DNB]

No, Peter is NOT referring to a baptism of the conscious. If you take the passage in CONTEXT it says that Baptism, which corresponds to THIS!!!

What is THIS DNB????? THIS is referring to WATER. The water that saved Noah and 8 in all!!!

Mary

He clearly said that it was symbolic, and emphasized that the symbolism was not referring to water nor the body, but to that which cleanses the conscious. Which part did you not understand of what the Apostle was attempting to convey. Which of your 'apostolic' priests told you that God will not allow anyone into heaven, unless they get doused with water? Is this how you regard the Gospel of Christ, Christ only accepts people that follow superficial rituals?

 

[Illuminator]

Yes - there seems to be an epidemic of that around here . . .

Moderators are not accountable to Catholics, but by calling it "ChristianityBoard" they are twice as accountable to God for the diabolical posts that are allowed.

 

[Illuminator]

Yup, Scripture teaches there are sound doctrines and false doctrines put forth by false teachers. soooooooo we must all come to the same conclusion just like they did at the council of Jerusalem.

Jesus prayer: I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.

Notice how Jesus didn't pray that we may all have our own interpretations, our own beliefs or be divided. Scripture makes it clear in MUTLITPLE PASSAGES that we must all come to the same conclusion.

I prefer to follow the teaching of Scripture and fulfill Jesus prayer. Do you?

Marymog, BoL, let's stop feeding the troll. He keeps getting fatter.

 

[jaybird]

And you haven't pointed to ANY bible verse to back up your opinions soooooooo.....Where does that leave us?

i pointed to the scripture "knock and the door will open" teaching of Jesus, the one that you reject because you teach people should not seek the Father they should seek a group.

 

[jaybird]

Yup, Scripture teaches there are sound doctrines and false doctrines put forth by false teachers. soooooooo we must all come to the same conclusion just like they did at the council of Jerusalem.

Jesus prayer: I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.

Notice how Jesus didn't pray that we may all have our own interpretations, our own beliefs or be divided. Scripture makes it clear in MUTLITPLE PASSAGES that we must all come to the same conclusion.

I prefer to follow the teaching of Scripture and fulfill Jesus prayer. Do you?

i agree that we should not follow false teachers, Jesus teaches we can spot bad teachers by their fruit, examples of bad fruit would be burning people alive, torturing people, persecuting Christians, burning villages to the ground full of innocent women and children. you sure dont want to follow those kind of church leaders.

"one" means everyone is the same? by this logic, you, me, Jesus and the Father are all the same? ohh boy . .

there is no passage that all believers interoperate scripture the same way. the scripture in question was someone that refuses to listen to sound doctrine and you believe your group is the final authority on what is "sound doctrine", sorry but you have no more authority than me and a group of good ole boys from down the road.
i am sure Jim Jones had some good sounding doctrine, but we know he was a bad teacher because he did not practice what he preached, what he practiced was abuse, drugs, homosexuality, and adultery which is no worse than burning people alive and torture.

another problem with your theory. Jesus was of the Nazarene sect, John was of the Essene sect. two different sects so which one was wrong, the Christ or the greatest prophet of the Most High.

 

[Brakelite]

You've done NO such thing.

In fact, ALL you've done is point out some wicked actions by some wicked individuals within the Church's 2000 year history - ALL the while, IGNORING the fact that Jesus Hims3lf chose a wicked man to be one of its first leaders.
I have repeatedly destroyed this asinine argument by pointing out some of the wicked individuals within your own Protestant sects, so you keep changing your criteria for what makes a Church "Apostolic".

Moving the goal posts doesn't bolster your argument.

There is a massive difference between the few wicked men you reluctantly admit to (having no other recourse to do so due to historical verifiable records), and a systemically wicked institution with a few good men and women representing that institution in the public square.

 

[Bartholomew Jones]

Apostolic being defined based on Biblical testimony, is divinely authoritative (council in Jerusalem, Acts 15). If you are referring to ecumenical councils, or councils convened after the Apostolic age (90ad), there is absolutely zero authority.

I agree. Also, the conclusive mark of an Apostle is that his calling is like Abraham's, who was sent away not knowing where to. The ancient term actually emphasizes AWAY, that is, being sent, away. Jesus very often reminds his hearers you must forsake absolutely everything to be my disciple. And apostleship is of an even higher order of study.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Moderators are not accountable to Catholics, but by calling it "ChristianityBoard" they are twice as accountable to God for the diabolical posts that are allowed.

Absolutely.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is a massive difference between the few wicked men you reluctantly admit to (having no other recourse to do so due to historical verifiable records), and a systemically wicked institution with a few good men and women representing that institution in the public square.

This is just as ignorant as saying there is "systematic racism" in the United States - the most NON-racist country in the world.
Individuals were/are wicked within the Church. The Church was/is not "systematically wicked".

For that to be true - Jesus Himself would be a liar for guaranteeing that this wouldn't happen (Matt. 16:18).
As it stands now - ALL of you who make this false statement and claim to follow Him are GUILTY of calling Him a Liar . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

all mariology is also a heresy, plus indulgences and the intercession of the saints. Just to make you aware.

Soooooo, you couldn't tell me what "heresy" is - could you?
Like I said - with every post, your ignorance shines brighter and brighter . . .

Here's a hint, Einstein:
Rejection of the Trinity is the most basic heresy of Christianity.

Virtually ALL other heresies spring from this one . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh, but I don't deny the pure, unquantifiable, transcendent, immutable, immortal and indivisible nature of God the Father, not whatsoever. So much, that I will vehemently denounce anyone that claims otherwise - get it?

Yet you can't refute the very Scriptures that prove you wrong.
THAT'S what makes your perversion a heresy.

The Trinity is the most easily-provable doctrine out there. That's why your anti-Trinitarianism is the easiest one to defeat.
Maybe that's why it was the first heresy that was slam-dunked into the waste basket at the first Church Council (Nicaea) after the Apostolic age.

 

[Illuminator]

Yet you can't refute the very Scriptures that prove you wrong.
THAT'S what makes your perversion a heresy.

The Trinity is the most easily-provable doctrine out there. That's why your anti-Trinitarianism is the easiest one to defeat.
Maybe that's why it was the first heresy that was slam-dunked into the waste basket at the first Church Council (Nicaea) after the Apostolic age.

I have DNB on ignore. Blacklit is next for his SDA hate propaganda. This is the first time I've seen a non-denominational blaspheme the Trinity. The report button is meaningless. People can disagree with the doctrine of the Trinity all day, it happens all the time in here, but blatant blasphemies is not discussion; the moderators are asleep at the wheel, ignoring numerous reports and a double standard with rules. It's a sad day for ChristianityBoard.

 

[aspen]

Unfortunately, you Catholics are easily just as nasty as the meanest Protestants on here. I am glad that the admin is tolerant, perhaps you should be too, since we are still allowed to be here