OSAS Deniers can “ Sin and Get Away With It Too! Here’s How!

[Cooper]

Okie doke. Take care, and may God reward you with the greatest of Blessings. Goodbye.

Okie doke. Take care, and may God reward you with the greatest of Blessings. Goodbye.

The warnings about backsliding for example in Hebrews 6:4-6 are given to believers. It is impossible for someone to backslide if they have never believed. So please tell your friends not to accuse those who have fallen away from the faith of never believing, because you cannot fall away from something you never had.

(4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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[Cooper]

To practice sin is to keep on being sinful, willfully, as I already explained in post #135. This does not mean that those who are born of God never stumble and sin at all. (1 John 1:8-10; 1 John 2:1) Do you subscribe to sinless perfection?

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

Who is saying that it doesn't matter at all if you sin or just go and sin all you want? Typical straw man argument from works-salvationists and eternal IN-securists.

I already explained this in post #135. Do you claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolutely perfect, 100% of the time? Only one Person who ever walked the earth fit that description -- Jesus Christ.

I am convinced of just the opposite. I've noticed all false religions and cults that teach salvation by works also strongly oppose OSAS, which has always been a major red flag for me.

I do not belong to any cult. The simple truth is, all believers are kept safe in the arms of Jesus unless they take it into their heads to turn away from God. It can and it does happen. I have lived long enough to know that, so do not give me the rubbish that nobody can turn away of their own free will. They can and they do.
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[mailmandan]

I do not belong to any cult. The simple truth is, all believers are kept safe in the arms of Jesus unless they take it into their heads to turn away from God. It can and it does happen. I have lived long enough to know that, so do not give me the rubbish that nobody can turn away of their own free will. They can and they do..

I was not implying that you must belong to a cult. Just that all false religions and cults who teach salvation by works strongly oppose OSAS. May not be a red flag for me, but it is for me. Many people who strongly oppose OSAS teach type 2 works salvation. I have lived long enough to see many people make a profession of faith, join a church and for a while do a good job of looking like the real deal, then later falling away from their former profession of faith, permanently leaving church and some even later claiming to have become atheists, but I'm not buying that they were truly born again to begin with. I've talked with multiple people in the past who claimed to have at one time been a Christian, but no longer are Christians and when I asked them what constituted the fact that they truly were previously a Christian, they could not give me a satisfactory answer.

 

[Taken]

You consider yourself perfected?

Absolutely. The Word of God, proclaims one having Become Sanctified ARE Perfected FOR EVER.

Can't say why you have never done that...but can say I have accepted and received the Lord Gods Gift of Sanctifcation and status of Perfected forever.

Heb 10:
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever Them that ARE sanctified

Hebrews 10:26 (NKJV)

Do you sin willfully?

Do I sin...willfully or otherwise...?
No.

Do you need to hear that Again?
NO!

1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

Well no kidding.

Rom 10:
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Perhaps you have not been paying attention..Many have "tasted" ...( heard The Word of Lord God ) for which God Blesses them with a small measure of Faith...

In their OWN wisdom...(excuses)...they Choose to Hear NO MORE...

DUH...not hearing MORE...they Receive Not More Faith...They have Departed from the Faith.

Many CURRENTLY are choosing to NOT hear the Word of God.

HAVING a measure of Faith....and Submitting to Accept The Lord Gods Salvation are Two entirely different things.

Absolutely men can Fall from Faith.
Absolutely NOT men can receive then lose Their Salvation.

There is no OSAS in the Bible.

I have Zero obligation to explain to you...
The presentness of ARE Converted, ARE Forever With The Lord God and He with Them.

It is quite elementary, and your Right to Reject.

It is However VERY Revealing...that you exercising your right to Reject OSAS... IS ALWAYS coupled with personal jabs and accusations Against People who Trust And Believe and Reveal their Scriptural Standing.

You must be remotely aware failure to provide your own Scriptural Evidence of your own standing ...IS a cautionary sign....for a man to beware of what you say.
As Well...
When "personal jabs are your reply" to requests for Scriptural evidence of your standing...
That IS a glaring RED FLAG sign...your standing is Not based in Scripture...but rather yourself.

I'll keep my following and Trust in the Lord God...

And say a prayer FOR you that you seek The Receiving of The Lord Gods Offering...and thereafter seek His Understanding.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[mailmandan]

The warnings about backsliding for example in Hebrews 6:4-6 are given to believers. It is impossible for someone to backslide if they have never believed. So please tell your friends not to accuse those who have fallen away from the faith of never believing, because you cannot fall away from something you never had.

(4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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See post #259 from the link below:

Those who deny Eternal Security

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

I have lived long enough to see many people make a profession of faith, join a church and for a while do a good job of looking like the real deal, then later falling away from their former profession of faith, permanently leaving the church and some even later claiming to have become atheists, but I'm not buying that they were truly born again to begin with.

Their Hearts were always made of stone, and where the Heart is made of stone, no root can grow. There is no room for the message of Christ. I just related this to the Parable of the Sower last night . . . amazing.

Mark 4:5-6, 16-17 NIV - "Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. ... 16 Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away."

Check this out . . .

John 8:37 NLT - "Yes, I realize that you are descendants of Abraham. And yet some of you are trying to kill me because there's no room in your hearts for my message."

And why were these leaders and teachers of the Law without room in their Hearts? Because they were made of stone, thus "no room" . . . a place where roots cannot be established (until the Heart of stone is cut away by Christ). Unbelievable.

 

[Cooper]

I was not implying that you must belong to a cult. Just that all false religions and cults who teach salvation by works strongly oppose OSAS. May not be a red flag for me, but it is for me. Many people who strongly oppose OSAS teach type 2 works salvation. I have lived long enough to see many people make a profession of faith, join a church and for a while do a good job of looking like the real deal, then later falling away from their former profession of faith, permanently leaving church and some even later claiming to have become atheists, but I'm not buying that they were truly born again to begin with. I've talked with multiple people in the past who claimed to have at one time been a Christian, but no longer are Christians and when I asked them what constituted the fact that they truly were previously a Christian, they could not give me a satisfactory answer.

That is immaterial the point is, OSAS preach people cannot lose their salvation and the Bible clearly teaches they can.
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[Cooper]

See post #259 from the link below:

Those who deny Eternal Security

You do not get it do you. THE BELIEVER IS ETERNALLY SECURE while ever they believe.
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[Enoch111]

That is immaterial the point is, OSAS preach people cannot lose their salvation and the Bible clearly teaches they can.

This is completely false and makes God and Christ liars. If salvation could be lost, then the grace of God and the finished work of Christ would be meaningless. See Romans 4 and 8.

Just as Satan tried to trick Eve into thinking that God had not given Adam and Eve access to every tree in the Garden of Eden (except one specific one) Satan tries to trick Christians into thinking that salvation depends on them, and not on the grace of God and the power of God.

That eternal security is NOT a license to sin is clear from Titus 2:11-14, which included good works as evidence of salvation.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 

[Taken]

See post #259 from the link below:

Those who deny Eternal Security

Astounding... That men fall into the Trap, that They are qualified to Dictate an Other man's Standing IN and WITH the Lord God.

I can Easily attest NOT ONE person on this forum was present When I elected to Accept The Lords Offering AND His Blessings and Gifts Promised and Received by me.

Men who confess a Double Pretense make their standing Obviously Revealed their Double Preaching.

Not a Israelite...Not under the Law.
Oh wait...kinda under the Law.
Well only under the Law, when convenient to Accuse another OF SIN...."against them".

I have Never Sinned Against An Earthly MAN.
No Earthly man Has Ever Forgiven me of Sin.

I am not all knowing, and Have Trespassed against other men...whoops...
My Lord God is Gracious to Have shown me IN His Word...exactly HOW TO Forgive men OF THEIR Trespasses Against me and remedy my Trespasses Against other men.

"Who" can a Gentile ...NEVER having been an Israelite Under the Law...SIN AGAINST???
The Lord God!

"Who" can a Gentile...NEVER having been an Israelite Under the Law...FORGIVE SIN????
Zip Nada.

Only God Can Forgive Sin.

And with NO Apologies...I do Shame the Lord God, by Repeatedly asking Him over and over and over, for Anything He has Already Given me.

Eph 2:
[1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in "trespasses and sins;"

Astounding ....men purport...oooh rah...Saved and Quickened....but
Awwww "still" Committing SIN AGAINST God...
The simplicity of words depicting was, were...and Are...seriously? Elementary BABE knowledge...too complicated for an adult to comprehend?

Wow...How is Gods Spirit...(His very Power), IN a man, While that man IS "supposedly" Committing SIN?

Sure makes Gods INTERNAL Supreme Power Irrelevant ... And Purports God a Liar...
Since God does Not Dwell IN Sin.

They Can never Reveal A SINGLE Scripture whereby the "Converted IN Christ" can lose their Salvation...because such a Scriptural Teaching Does NOT Exist.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Cooper]

This is completely false and makes God and Christ liars. If salvation could be lost, then the grace of God and the finished work of Christ would be meaningless. See Romans 4 and 8.

Just as Satan tried to trick Eve into thinking that God had not given Adam and Eve access to every tree in the Garden of Eden (except one specific one) Satan tries to trick Christians into thinking that salvation depends on them, and not on the grace of God and the power of God.

That eternal security is NOT a license to sin is clear from Titus 2:11-14, which included good works as evidence of salvation.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Adam and Eve disobeyed God and they were thrust out of God's presence while still believing. THEY LOST THEIR SALVATION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
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[mailmandan]

That is immaterial the point is, OSAS preach people cannot lose their salvation and the Bible clearly teaches they can.
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I’m yet to find one verse in the Bible that “unequivocally” teaches that a really “saved” person really “lost their salvation.” I’ve read verses that “on the surface” appear to teach that, just like “on the surface” there are verses in the Bible that appear to teach salvation by works, but after reading those verses in context, we find that’s not the case.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

I’m yet to find one verse in the Bible that “unequivocally” teaches that a really “saved” person really “lost their salvation.” I’ve read verses that “on the surface” appear to teach that, just like “on the surface” there are verses in the Bible that appear to teach salvation by works, but after reading those verses in context, we find that’s not the case.

Ditto

 

[mailmandan]

You do not get it do you. THE BELIEVER IS ETERNALLY SECURE while ever they believe.
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Saving belief is rooted in a regenerate heart and continues and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away.

 

[mailmandan]

I get it just fine. Saving belief is rooted in a regenerate heart and continues and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away.

 

[Cooper]

I’m yet to find one verse in the Bible that “unequivocally” teaches that a really “saved” person really “lost their salvation.” I’ve read verses that “on the surface” appear to teach that, just like “on the surface” there are verses in the Bible that appear to teach salvation by works, but after reading those verses in context, we find that’s not the case.

A saved person is saved, until and if they turn from God.
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[Taken]

You do not get it do you. THE BELIEVER IS ETERNALLY SECURE while ever they believe.
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Cooper-
If you ignore Express Scriptural Teaching...
You will jeopardize yourself in receiving Spiritual Understanding.

THE BELIEVER IS ETERNALLY SECURE while ever they believe.

That statement IS FALSE...precisely Because it Omits the Truth.

The TRUTH is...
An Earthly man has MORE than ONE Source from which his Belief is Revealed!

Men have a Carnal Mind....they hear, think, ponder, try to Logically, through guesswork and probability to land on a conclusion "they Believe"

Who cares? Some men may be intrigued, interested; in what "your Mind" has thought of, logically deduced as Believable; maybe even agree with you (especially if you are skilled in the art of Philosophy, in techniques to get another To agree with you).

Does God care what your Carnal Mind ponders and logically, Philosophically concludes?

The clear Concise Answer IS...NO. God Does NOT give one iota Consideration to your Carnal Minds Thoughts....... WHEN the Subject is A Man CONFESSING Belief.

Rom 8:
[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The Truth is ...The SOURCE of a man's BELIEF IS Paramount....

The Carnal Mind...is not the Source of a man's Belief...God Hears, listens to, or Considers...

So WHAT IS the Source of a "Sinful" man's Belief...(who is Asking to Save him) that;
God Hears, listens to, and Responds to???

The Confession of Belief in a natural man's "Sinful Corrupt natural spirit in a man's heart"...

There IS no Security of confession sourced from a man's Carnal Mind.

There IS Security of a confession sourced from a man's spirit in the man's heart.
That ^ Results in an Immediate Reaction of "Conversion" By and From God, through Christ ....that IS SECURE and Everlasting.

Acts 15:
[8] And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Marymog]

1. In Matthew 6:15 Jesus tells us “if you do not forgive men, neither will your heavenly Father forgive you your offenses.” I don’t care how “born again” you are or how many experiences you may have had, if you don’t forgive others, you will not be forgiven, according to the text. And there will be no people in heaven God refuses to forgive (see Revelation 21:27; Hab. 1:13)!


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You ever hear of a thing called ,” The Cross ?” It changed almost everything.Paul says we are “ already forgiven and we are to forgive others as God has already Forgiven us....The thinking should no longer should be “ I got to forgive this Lout or God will send me to Hell”—— that is Law.....Jesus LIVED in the Age Of Law and that is what He preached....
This side of the Cross , because Jesus Shed His Blood for us , we live in the Age Of Grace....The Thinking now should be, “ If God can save a wretch like me, who has sinned against God countless times.......why shouldn’t I forgive those that sinned against Me......
Forgiveness under Law was forced— it meant nothing to “ pretend “ you forgave others if it did not come from the heart ....you did it out of Fear.....you can no more be forced to sincerely forgive somebody than you can be forced to Sincerely LOVE somebody if that love ain’t there naturally....you either have it or you don’t......Forgiveness is like that .....it should come Naturally as a response to the forgiveness that God showed you.....if your “ forgiveness” is given because of a threat— don’t bother with it....Love others as commanded, and the Forgiveness will take care of itself....

I see Lots of words but no Scripture to back up Your opinion.

God can save a wretch like you (and me) IF we believe, get baptized, do good works, obey His commandments Etc etc

IF we don’t continue to do those things then we will be condemned and not obtain eternal life (John 3:16, Mark 16:16 etc etc)

Bible study Mary

 

[Marymog]

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2. Galatians 5:4 says Christians can “fall from grace.” You have to be in a state of grace in order to fall from it.

My “ Spidey Senses” tell me you might be Catholic ....I love Catholics ....some of my relatives are Catholic ....they are almost always great people!
,I love them but I hate their Doctrine —- one could fill a warehouse with the errors contained in their Catechism.....many people that I know think Catholics are all Lost because of their Mariology, belief in the Fairy Tale Of Purgatory, infant baptism, their madness in regard to the taking of the Sacraments and how the elements actually turn into the blood and flesh of Christ,etc..... I could go on....
I think many if the Catholics get just enough “ right” that they might be Saved.... most Believe in the Resurrection Of Christ and believe that Jesus is God in the Flesh.....
What I know about Catholics is that some may be Saved “ despite” the official beliefs, they are ALL “ fallen from Grace”..... Galatians makes that clear....
One gets saved by simply Believing 1Cor15:1-4......Jesus said so, using Paul as His mouthpiece....Jesus died for our sins and rose from the grave.... believing those two things ONLY is what Saves . If you ADD to those two Truths , thinking that the Gospel is “Essential” for Salvation , but not quite “ Adequate” in and of itself for the same, and add “ works” to it like Confession Of sins to a Priest, infant baptism, Communion ,etc......THIS is how you “ fall from Grace”..
You might be Saved, but your Christian Walk is a Crippled one....never having the Assurance Of your Salvation, never Resting in the Gospel Of Grace That God Commands us to do , and thereby forfeiting the Peace Of Mind and Joy That God wants His Children to have—- God states in Hebrews that if you do not Rest in His Gospel and are adding to it with your Works Of Religion, you are in a state of “ Disobedience and UNbelief.” Serious Accusations . Many Protestant Churches Add to the Gospel also—- they are just not as blatant as the catholics, and I will give the Catholics credit for one thing—- they at least don’t try to hide their false traditions and beliefs ....still.....their “ False Gospels “ at the very least, put their Salvation in jeopardy .....Do what God Commanded—- REST in the Gospel.

And you are clearly Protestant sooooo you can create any doctrine YOU think is the Truth, because the Holy Spirit guided you to the Truth, and declare it the Truth. That is the Protestant way!!

But if a Catholic declares something the Truth with guidance by the Holy Spirit then they are misguided and it is really Satan who is guiding us.....And of course Satan is guiding any Protestant that agrees with Catholic doctrine.....But YOU are always right!!! Right???

 

[justbyfaith]

I see Lots of words but no Scripture to back up Your opinion.

God can save a wretch like you (and me) IF we believe, get baptized, do good works, obey His commandments Etc etc

IF we don’t continue to do those things then we will be condemned and not obtain eternal life (John 3:16, Mark 16:16 etc etc)

Bible study Mary

I see your point.

Do you see mine; that the term shall is absolute terminology?