Rev 12:1- 6 begins with.
This is speaking of the birth of the woman which would be Jacob Israel. It also speaks about the fall of Satan and the 1/3. The woman Israel, from Jacob to Joseph "both Josephs NT & OT " was about to give birth to Jesus.
The only place we find the sun moon and stars is in Josephs dream, Jacob surly interpreted it to mean he was the sun, Rachel was the moon and his 11 star brothers, This is the history from beginning to end, from Gen to Rev which we now read. I'll point out how the woman and stars are also the Apostles in the NT.
I don't share in your speculation that the sun, moon, and stars is a correlation to Jacob's dream. As I already proved to you [see my prior post], 12:3 sets forth a different time frame for Satan's one-world gov't than the one to come, as set forth in 13:1. Since Satan has not established a one-world gov't from Adam to present day, one can determine, by default deduction, that the one-world order of 12:3 actually took place in the prior [first] age of time -- long before the 6 days of creation in Gen. 1.
By describing the wonder in 12:3 with the adjective "another", a Bible student knows that the corresponding other wonder, in 12:1, takes place in the first age as well. Likewise, the corresponding events associated with each 'wonder', 12:2 and 12:4, are also first age events.
Accordingly, the Bible student can dismiss your position, without further consideration, as you don't have 12:1-4 placed in the first age.
From Rev 7-12 we see a closer look. he zooms in from here
Jesus caught up to His throne, the woman flees the war breaks out. We see the result of the battle and the announcement is. Now note that this is in heaven not the victory on earth. Those that did not love themselves unto death is surly speaking of all of Johns fellow disciples.
See 12:6 in the KJV -- it is prefaced with the word "And", and not "Then". The war in heaven, 12:7, is future.
Next comes the warning to the earth Woe the dragon has come down to you. See my previous post about the accuser that was his name after the fist fall, and BTW I din't believe that any Angel cast Satan out like lightning. I think it happened in a moment, in the blink of an eye, a flash of light and the Father evicted him from his first home. Read the verses of the prophets for yourself.
I don't understand what point you are making. Satan is currently in heaven as the accuser.
Now read the next "paragraph"
and compare it to this, verse 5 and 6
I did compare and you are still making no sense to me. Satan is in heaven now and will persecute the woman when he is cast out. Perhaps, you need to explain your position better.
It recaps everything above with yet a closer view of the pursuit. Jacobs 11 sons now become the 11 disciples less John. they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony.
Summery verse 1-6 history of Israel threw Jesus accention to the prosecution of the of the woman
verse 7-12 the war at the broke out when, her Child was caught up to God and His throne.
verse 13-17 the pursuit of the woman fails, the dragon now turns his attention on her children. woman = Israel the nation / Children = offspring, who keep the commandments of
I believe that I have already proven, and shown you, your errors. 1-4 is the first age. Since you have that time frame wrong, you, naturally, will mess up the rest.
Its not the temple complete, its the order to rebuilt. I have already given you the information read back or finish reading what I have written.
“ Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street[sup][c][/sup] shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
O.K. -- where is your proof that it took 483 years to restore and build Jerusalem?? Obviously, you have no proof. The Bible timeline that I use [unverified] places the command being given in 454 B.C. Whether it was forced [back dated from the crucifixion date] or there is independent proof, I contend that it is not relevant. One needs to resolve why the division of the 69 weeks into a 7 week period and a 62 week period. I contend that the 7 weeks were to rebuild Jerusalem and the 62 weeks represents the time from the completion of the rebuilding to the crucifixion.
It is not a gap it is simply a statement setting up the next verse as I have also shown you in Rev. on paragraph sets up the next. Verse 26 states that after that 62nd week yes, but that includes all time from the end of the 69th "as I call it", to eternity. Two statements are made, the Messiah will be cut off and the temple destroyed. The destroyed temple falls outside the last week, that's why its stated the way it is. And just as in Rev, Danial 26 sets the stage for the close up view in verse 27 of the 70th week, which Jesus fulfilled. The outline is in verse 24 [sup]24[/sup] “ Seventy weeks[sup][a][/sup] are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
The 1 week, the 70th is marked separate "NOT CUT " because it is entirely about Christ, from His baptism to His sitting in heaven.
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
Then when Stephen stands this marks the end of the 70th week and we soon see the call to Paul and the Gentiles. And I am sorry I don't have a notarized copy of the dates to provide. 69 weeks to the Messiah the 70th week is the Messiahs, not the AC. I dont know how much more scripture I have to reference. I have already given the 7 70s that Peter and Jesus spoke of. I have already pointed you or veteran to the 1 ch of Mark. Where Jesus says the time has been fulfilled. The 69 weeks were up welcome the week of the Messiah. Mark 1:15. The kingdom of God.
Go back and read my prior post again. I proved to you there has to be a gap, irrespective of whether one believes that 70 A.D. or the future return of Christ represents the end of the 70 weeks. It is a historical fact that Jerusalem, and the temple, was destroyed in the year 70 A.D. So, if you contend that the 70th week immediately followed the 69th week without a gap, the burden of proof falls on you to demonstrate that Christ was crucified in year 63 A.D. Of course, most every scholar places the date of Christ's crucifixion between 29 - 33 A.D. If so, there has to be a gap in time between the 69th and 70th week, irrespective on when one believes the 70th week takes place.
I am not going to address your 7 and 10 crowned dragon. It certainly cant help in making Rev ch 12 clear. Read it for what it is a history that reaches 1260 days = years forward from the pursuit of the woman. And there are two being persuaded the woman and her offspring. And yes the next verse 13 is a description of the beast not the dragon but the dragon has picked up some kingdoms along the way, just as Danial saw the future kingdoms, in more than one vision.
Not surprising that you won't address it -- it proves your entire theory to be fatally flawed.
Like I said in this post above. 26 just says after the 7+62 that includes the immediate 70th week, and time into eternity.
27 clearly defines its self as the week.
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week
Get that it does not include the temple destruction
Messiah comes and He confirms the covenant the last week
If so, what happened in year 36 - 40 AD to conclude the 70th week??