Why do you reject authority?

[BarneyFife]

Jesus often used hyperbole to make His points, my woefully-ignorant friend . . .
Luke 14:26:
“If anyone comes to me and does not HATE his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”

This is NOT to be taken literally because Jesus tells us elsewhere to LOVE our neighbor as ourself (Mark 12:31).
Also - we are commanded to HONOR our parents (Exod. 20:12).

Here are some other examples of Jesus using hyperbole to make a point, Einstein:
Matt 5:29
If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30

Matt. 5:30
And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

Matt. 6:3
“When you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing”

Matt. 19:24
“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God”

Matt. 23:9
And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

YOUR problem is that you are a strict Scriptural literalist istead of understanding the CONTEXT of Scripture.

Your problem is that your meanness will bar your vitriol from being accepted.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here lets just keep it simple . IF one is not a catholic , DO NOT become one . And if you are
get out of it fast . Let us return to our bibles and feed upon the truth

Return to our Bibles?
Can you show me where the Bible says to abandon Christ's Church and to adhere only to the written word as our SOLE Authority?

The Bible says that the Church is our final earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, M1tt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your problem is that your meanness will bar your vitriol from being accepted.

But YOUR hypocrisy will be accepted?

You attack MY "meanness" - but the anti-Catholic manure that I am responding to is "okay"?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes I know BOL in fact we all know, you hate the truth so like all your friends you seek to destroy those who show you the truth, it comes from your religion, you are your religion, it is written in everything you write, and since you refuse to leave it for His sake, you must therefore be judged as it to will be.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

and so will all those who remain in her.

The "Truth"??
Ummmmm, tell ya what . . .

I chhallenge ANYBODY here to go to your online paramilitary cult over at "aggressivechristianity.net" - the home of the "Shin Ra Na" nonsense - and tell me that this is where "Truth" resides.

Anybody who is honest enough to check it out - see for yourself . . .

 

[BarneyFife]

But YOUR hypocrisy will be accepted?

You attack MY "meanness" - but the anti-Catholic manure that I am responding to is "okay"?

You don't have to be mean to refute ant-Catholic lies. Talking down to people and calling them names doesn't seem like the "happiness" you were claiming earlier. I just love that word: "attack" It's so victim-like.

 

[mjrhealth]

But YOUR hypocrisy will be accepted?

You attack MY "meanness" - but the anti-Catholic manure that I am responding to is "okay"?

Its the truth your are standing against and Jesus is the truth, will you continue to fight against Him. Why does thou persecute me...

 

[mjrhealth]

The "Truth"??
Ummmmm, tell ya what . . .

I chhallenge ANYBODY here to go to your online paramilitary cult over at "aggressivechristianity.net" - the home of the "Shin Ra Na" nonsense - and tell me that this is where "Truth" resides.

Anybody who is honest enough to check it out - see for yourself . . .

Oh no another knife.... You cannot burn people at the stake anymore BOL all though they may return soon enough.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Are you sure you've been doing this for 17 years?
You're the one who brought up shouting, not me.
Oh, and ad homs are for bestowing blessings, right?
By the way, your pigeon-holed, genetically fallacious views of the Reformation would probably be amusing if they weren't so tragic.

Ummmmm, because you objected to my use of formatting.
Funny, how you don't complain about other's use of formatting here . . .

As for my "fallacious vews" of the Protestant Revolt - can you list some of them?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Its the truth your are standing against and Jesus is the truth, will you continue to fight against Him. Why does thou persecute me...

Yes, JESUS is the truth - NOT your online cult (aggressivechristianity.net) . . .

 

[BarneyFife]

The "Truth"??
Ummmmm, tell ya what . . .

I chhallenge ANYBODY here to go to your online paramilitary cult over at "aggressivechristianity.net" - the home of the "Shin Ra Na" nonsense - and tell me that this is where "Truth" resides.

Anybody who is honest enough to check it out - see for yourself . . .

What in the world are you talking about? It's just some goofy website. What am I supposed to be looking for?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh no another knife.... You cannot burn people at the stake anymore BOL all though they may return soon enough.

I don't have to.
Your foundress, Deborah Green (pictured) is already in prison . . .

 

[BarneyFife]

Ummmmm, because you objected to my use of formatting.
Funny, how you don't complain about other's use of formatting here . . .

As for my "fallacious vews" of the Protestant Revolt - can you list some of them?

No. I've heard them over time and I'm not going to index them for you. And I think I'm tiring of this silly, perpetual volleyball game you have going.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What in the world are you talking about? It's just some goofy website. What am I supposed to be looking for?

You said a mouthful, friend.
That's where @mjrhealth gets his/her bizarre theolgy from . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No. I've heard them over time and I'm not going to index them for you. And I think I'm tiring of this silly, perpetual volleyball game you have going.

In other words - you've put your foot in your mouth.
I haven't made ANY statements about the Protestant Revolt that are "fallacious".

You won't list any because there aren't any . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

No. I've heard them over time and I'm not going to index them for you. And I think I'm tiring of this silly, perpetual volleyball game you have going.

Oh @BreadOfLife BOL cant stands the truth so he found this bizarre website and every time He gets angry at the truth He posts it, becuase hes got nothing but his hate for it all, He spends a lot of time theer as you can see, must love it.

 

[mjrhealth]

@BreadOfLife you cannot kill that which was made dead and than made alive in Christ, no matter how much bullying how much anger how much hate, all you are doing is digging your own grave. And you "church"will not be able to save you or anyone for that matter.

 

[Brakelite]

I don't know where you get your bizarre ideas but, Popes don't just make up doctrines as they go along. What they usually do is to simply define or explain doctrines and practices that already exist.

That's absolutely fascinating. Popes don't make stuff up. They define what already exists. Thank you for that erudite explanation to what I was saying all along. That PiusIX wasn't making stuff up, but in his syllabus of errors which was annexed to his encyclical Quanta Qura was agreeing with Catholic thought and doctrine thus was precisely the point I was making. And subsequent debates and discussions within Catholicism since have affirmed that Vatican III was not in contradiction to the syllabus, thus affirming the authority of the syllabus of errors as equal to the council. Now we've got that settled and you and I agree, then let me repeat what Pius IX was saying that it is error to think that...quote...

23. Roman pontiffs and ecumenical councils have wandered outside the limits of their powers, have usurped the rights of princes, and have even erred in defining matters of faith and morals. — Damnatio “Multiplices inter,” June 10, 1851.

24. The Church has not the power of using force, ( and of course this has nothing to do with freedom of conscience) nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect. — ( and such force in the temporal sphere is denied by you and others here in this forum when you claim only the state used torture and correction and the death sentence.)Apostolic Letter “Ad Apostolicae,” Aug. 22, 1851.

55. The Church ought to be separated from the .State, and the State from the Church. — ( unconstitutional?) Allocution “Acerbissimum,” Sept. 27, 1852.

Pests of this kind (Bible societies included so again, a declaration against religious liberty) are frequently reprobated in the severest terms in the Encyclical “Qui pluribus,” Nov. 9, 1846, Allocution “Quibus quantisque,” April 20, 1849, Encyclical “Noscitis et nobiscum,” Dec. 8, 1849, Allocution “Singulari quadam,” Dec. 9, 1854, Encyclical “Quanto conficiamur,” Aug. 10, 1863.

For you well know, venerable brethren, that at this time men are found not a few who, applying to civil society the impious and absurd principle of “naturalism,” as they call it, dare to teach that “the best constitution of public society and (also) civil progress altogether require that human society be conducted and governed without regard being had to religion any more than if it did not exist; or, at least, without any distinction being made between the true religion and false ones.” And, against the doctrine of Scripture, of the Church, and of the Holy Fathers, they do not hesitate to assert that “that is the best condition of civil society, in which no duty is recognized, as attached to the civil power, of restraining by enacted penalties, offenders against the Catholic religion, except so far as public peace may require.” From which totally false idea of social government they do not fear to foster that erroneous opinion, most fatal in its effects on the Catholic Church and the salvation of souls, called by Our Predecessor, Gregory XVI, an “insanity,”2 viz., that “liberty of conscience and worship is each man’s personal right, which ought to be legally proclaimed and asserted in every rightly constituted society; and that a right resides in the citizens to an absolute liberty, which should be restrained by no authority whether ecclesiastical or civil, whereby they may be able openly and publicly to manifest and declare any of their ideas whatever, either by word of mouth, by the press, or in any other way.” But, while they rashly affirm this, they do not think and consider that they are preaching “liberty of perdition;”3 and that “if human arguments are always allowed free room for discussion, there will never be wanting men who will dare to resist truth, and to trust in the flowing speech of human wisdom; whereas we know, from the very teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ, how carefully Christian faith and wisdom should avoid this most injurious babbling.”4

The above declaration by the Pope, which he starts was the same as the view held by Gregory previously, which to their Catholic mind was, quote, insanity, is nothing else but suppression, censorship, and the condoning of legally enacted penalties by the state against any views contrary to Catholic dogma.

And you dare to claim the Catholic Church supports the constitution?

 

[Illuminator]

Here lets just keep it simple . IF one is not a catholic , DO NOT become one . And if you are
get out of it fast . Let us return to our bibles and feed upon the truth

How to Avoid Converting to Catholicism, in 8 Easy Steps

 

[BarneyFife]

In other words - you've put your foot in your mouth.
I haven't made ANY statements about the Protestant Revolt that are "fallacious".

You won't list any because there aren't any . . .

Sadly (especially for you), all volleyball games must come to an end.

 

[BarneyFife]

In other words - you've put your foot in your mouth.
I haven't made ANY statements about the Protestant Revolt that are "fallacious".

You won't list any because there aren't any . . .

I'll leave you with a little chunk:

Christ's Church is NOT a disjointed gaggle of un-united Lone Rangers as YOU envision it. NOR, is it tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering sects that ALL teach different doctrines based on the personal interpretations of their HUMAN founders after the 16th century.