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without sinning, we can go for fifty. If we can go for fifty minutes, we can go for five hours. If we can go for five hours, we can go for five days. If for five days, then for five months...and so on; even unto the aion.

And what is the POINT of all of this? NONE of this stuff GOT you Saved.None Of this stuff KEEPS you Saved....
“ The Righteous shall “ LIVE” by Faith!” Nowhere in the Bible does it say , “ The Righteous shall LIVE by seeing how long they can go without Sinning”
Your entire Doctrine is devoid of ANY Gospel ( What Jesus did FOR you) .....it’s all about about “ Will- Power”in the end. Paul warned about this .....he called it “ WILL” worship! God won't have it!
We worship “ Jesus” not our “ wills”......
Sin is terrible......we should strive to be as good as we can be ....But in the Final Analyses ,we must never forget that Jesus obliterated our sin debts on the Cross . The ones “ that are forever more concerned with “ SIN consciousness as opposed to “ SON” consciousness are showing a Serious lack of Faith in their Savior.....
 
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The righteous are those who do not offend and that do no iniquity.


“Abraham Believed God and It was counted to him as Righteousness “...When you dont know your Bible and you must count on others not Knowing their Bibles also.....you think you can just throw anything out there that “sounds Holy” and-get away with it.....
The Bible says to PROVE yourself to be a Good Student so you won't have to be ashamed of yourself .....tossing out your personal Pablum as if it were Biblical shows that you fail to even grasp Christianity 101......as far as the “ shame “ you should be feeling now....I don’t think you are capable of......on and on you will go , thinking you are some kind of “ teacher”—— and you AINT!
Woe to you, you pretender.....the Bible ALSO declares that those who “ think” they are teachers will be held to a much higher Standard come Judgement Day......just another one of MANY verses you knew nothing about....
 

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For what specifically?

What have we said that warrants to be kicked out?

Bring your evidence. Any quotes that prove from the Bible that we are worthy to be kicked out?


You are a Legalists who spreads Leavin.....
God’s CLEAR Remedy is this....”Throw out The Bondwoman and her Child”

Notice that God does NOT say to debate them, try to cajole them or to even Pray for them.....He says simply “ Throw them out......”

Personally , I prefer that you guys stay here spouting your Biblical Ignorance and Hog Wash......Newbies are gonna to encounter Legalists and Tares out in the real work like we see in here.....using Blind Guides. as a type of “ Springboard” to show Newbies how to destroy their False, Perverted “ Gospel” is the reason that I live and breathe .....bring them on! They serve a purpose that they are oblivious about.....
 

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The 4th Commandment is more appropriately designated as being a part of the law of God, the Ten Commandments. How can you uphold any of the ten commandments by faith, without keeping the letter?
The same way we uphold the various Feasts without keeping the letter of the law.

1 Corinthians 5:7-8
7Get rid of the old leaven, that you may be a new unleavened batch, as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the feast (of Unleavened Bread), not with the old bread, leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and of truth.
 

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I think I'm battling two right now?


Yawn.......”if God be FOR me.....Who can be against me?”
True Speaking in Tongues is a sin if there is nobody present to interpret what is being Said....
It’s a Spiritual Gift .....these “ gifts” are NOT parceled out to those that preach False and Perverted Gospels Like “ The Just shall Live By Lucky Repentance”.....
If he’s taking the Red pills.....perhaps he should switch to the Blue ones.....I feel sorry for the guy...he’s “Losing It”....... he has my prayers .....he’s So Close , yet so Far away.....
 
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Mark 7:19 says nothing is the sort. The passage isn't about clean or unclean food, but clean or unclean hands. Which was nothing but a man made ceremonial ritual that as Jesus showed, denied common sense. Just as it denies common sense to eat shelkl fish, vultures, rats or pork and lying to yourself that they don't have the potential to kill you.
Consider this, Backlit.....

11He saw heaven open and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth, as well as birds of the air. 13Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”14“No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impure d or unclean.”15The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” Acts 10:11-15

In this account, God used foods that used to be unclean to demonstrate to Peter that he is to accept the gentiles that God has now made clean. If these unclean foods had not been declared clean and were still unclean it would make the illustration meaningless.
 

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You are a Legalists who spreads Leavin.....
God’s CLEAR Remedy is this....”Throw out The Bondwoman and her Child”

Notice that God does NOT say to debate them, try to cajole them or to even Pray for them.....He says simply “ Throw them out......”

Personally , I prefer that you guys stay here spouting your Biblical Ignorance and Hog Wash......Newbies are gonna to encounter Legalists and Tares out in the real work like we see in here.....using Blind Guides. as a type of “ Springboard” to show Newbies how to destroy their False, Perverted “ Gospel” is the reason that I live and breathe .....bring them on! They serve a purpose that they are oblivious about.....
Your straw man pontificating would possibly be highly effective except for one thing. You will not find one example where anyone here suggested that by our "works/obedience/law-keeping etc etc, was a means to being justified. You have constantly accused us of teaching this, told us we aren't Christians, called us liars, blind, tares, legalists, and more, yet not once have we said anything that could be construed to mean that obedience is a means by which we must be justified.
Here is the true gospel...if anyone can fault this, then by all means correct me. But stop calling us lost...heretics etc without any evidence.

Inherent in the Ten Commandments is the gospel. The first commandment has been edited by most but if we read the entire passage of scripture, we can readily see that God is not commanding us to do the impossible. The Ten Commandments begin:
Exodus 20:2 ” I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.”

In this small portion of the scripture is found the key to understanding our relationship to God’s laws, and how to find the power to obey them. Here is the gospel.
You may be thinking, “Hey, that first part isn’t a part of the law, because it doesn’t tell us something we must do or not do! Instead, it tells us of something God has done!!!”
Yes, exactly! And that’s the point. The entire Ten Commandments start with something God has done, and not with something we must do. “I am the Lord thy God who has….” God did not give us His law and then say, ” Okay, if you manage to obey, then heaven is yours”, knowing that we would fail. He knows us well, that we are but dust, morally corrupt, and totally incapable in and of ourselves to render any righteousness that meets God’s requirements. That is why He starts His law with what He has done for us, and not what we are to do for Him.
God has delivered us from bondage. The deliverance God refers to is a direct reference to the Passover. To the blood of the Lamb. A deliverance only He has accomplished, all by Himself, and without any assistance from us. The Passover was symbolic of Calvary. The shed blood of the lamb pointed forward to the crucifixion. ( John 1:29; 1 Cor. 5:7)
So when God gave His law, He pointed first back to the Passover, which itself points to the future, the cross. And there you have the gospel embedded within the law, and far from being distinct from one another, the law and gospel compliment one another perfectly.
Isaiah 44:22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
Notice that the part we play in redemption comes after God plays His part. “Come to Me, for I have redeemed thee”. And notice also that Israel’s salvation and redemption and final entrance into Canaan was a process, not a one off act. First, the blood of the lamb brought deliverance from bondage, then came Sinai and the giving of the law, with the power to obey established already on the already accomplished work of God whilst they were yet in bondage.



Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Our obedience doesn’t activate God’s grace, as many charge us with. It is God’s saving grace that activates our law-keeping. The power for all true obedience is present in our realization of what God has already done for us in Christ by virtue of His ‘unearnable’ grace.

We are simply called upon to come alive to and walk in the victory and the freedom from bondage that Christ has won for us.

Without Christ as the center of the law, without Christ not only as the law-giver but also the empowering agent behind the law, the Ten Commandments degenerate into a mere idealistic code of ethics, a kind of religious “wish-list”. The same goes for all those who look at the law as an impossibly attainable goal; they leave Christ out of the equation, even claiming that it is theologically acceptable to believe that Christ’s death annuls the law.
God loves us out of sin, and God loves us into obedience.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Justified by Christ’s death, and sanctified by His life. Delivered from bondage by His blood, empowered to remain free by His Spirit.
And rather than impossible commands, with the love of Jesus motivating and empowering us, the precepts of the Ten Commandments become promises.

Exodus 20:2 ” I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.” See? Not a command at all really, but a promise. "After those days" saith the Lord," I shall put My laws in their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them". Promise. The just shall live by faith. Faith in what? God's promises. And it's that faith in God's promises that bring forth from God His righteousness and obedience. It isn't our doing. It isn't our obedience. It isn't our righteousness. It's all about Christ. the Alpha and Omega. The author AND Finisher of our faith. Here's another promise...

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Here's another promise to the same folk (those walking in the Spirit, and who are fulfilling all the requirements of the law...

1 ¶ There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

God never asks us to make promises to Him. All He asks us to do, is to believe and trust in His promises to us. The new covenant is God's one way promise to write His laws on our hearts and minds, and to give us everlasting life as a free gift in Christ. The old covenant was faulty, not because God's promises were faulty, but because the peoples response was faulty, they replied, "everything the Lord has said, we will do". God didn't ask them to make a promise to "do". This is what gave birth to bondage. The covenant and promise of God are one and the same. After the flood God made a covenant with every beast of the earth, and with every fowl, but the beasts and birds could make no promise in return(Genesis 9:9-16) They simply received the favour at God's hand. That is all we can do. Receive. And that is the only reason any of us manage to obey...because God Himself has granted us the power to do so. God gives us all that we could ask or think...even abundantly more than that. We give Him ourselves, which is nothing. He had given us everything. We cannot make salvation a "mutual give and take affair". A transaction whereby we place ourselves as equal partners in our salvation. No. That's not how it works.
 
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What do I do to get eyes like yours?


You must be truly Convicted in you Heart that you are a Wretched Sinner ,headed like a speeding bullet towards a Hell that is MORE than Deserved.....

That “ CONTRITE” , Sin-Convicted Heart is a Gift from the Holy Spirit.....If you have not Truly Seen Yourself as God sees you—- a thing DEAD in Trespasses and Sins—- If you have not undergone your time of UTTER HORROR , what I refer to as your “ Woe is Me” moment in time— your time of “ Fear and Trembling” before a HOLY GOD —you have not even entered the Starting Gate Of Christianity....

“NOBODY comes to God lest the Spirit draw him” ..That Spirit has NOT “ drawn” you until you get your “,Contrite Heart “

To be Saved ...to get all the stuff you need, including “ eyes to See” and “ ears to hear” all a person has to do is Hear the Gospel ( 1Cor15:1-4 ) and Believe the Gospel .There is only ONE SMALL HITCH......
You have to be like the Seldom- Discussed Lydia, the “ Seller Of Purple” mentioned in Acts 16...... God “opened her heart “ so that she would not only “Hear” the Gospel, But actually BELIEVE IT!

I guess the best advice I could give you or anybody else that wants the Whole Package Of Salvation ( ears and eyes included !) would be to Pray to God that He put you in the same Starting Gate That Lydia found herself in...The REQUIREMENT for entering that Starting Gate is a Contrite Heart.Pray for a Visit from the Holy Spirit—- Only HE can give it to you! God Bless !
 

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Correct. If you haven't figured it out yet- I am pressing you to find exactly how you are arriving at your conclusions.

Galatians 3:13
Christ already died the death the law requires for adultery. The application of Christ's death through our faith in God upholds that law of Moses for us, not casts it away and breaks it.

So you reject any form of capitol punishment then for sin?

What law of Moses condemns the person who believes in Christ and is walking in the fruit of the Spirit at any one moment of time?

None1 for the church is not under the law of Moses! But faith!

What are those far different reasons?

It was added to define sin, to strengthen sin, to make us sin more, to keep ISrael until the time of faith should come, to make Israel a different nation from the heathen surrounding them, to show that righteousness is impossible by "good deeds", and to bless Israel while they were in teh land!

The NT Law of Christ is not to save, not to make righteous, strengthen us against sin, make us different from the unsaved that surround the body of Christ and to bless us while we live if we walk by faith.

Through my faith in Christ's work on the cross, and through my obedience to walk in the fruit of the Spirit I leave no law of Moses unfulfilled or broken or cast down and trampled on in the eyes of God. Upholding the law means I do not violate any of it in God's eyes. It does not mean I keep every letter of the law. It means I do not violate it despite the fact that I do not keep every letter of the law. Again, if you think that's not possible, consider how God does not hold you in violation of the laws of Moses concerning the required sacrifice of blood for your sin, and counts them 'fulfilled' for you, even though you haven't lifted a finger to keep them in any literal sense whatsoever. Through your faith in Christ on the cross the law of Moses requiring blood sacrifice for sin are upheld, not cast down and away and trampled on and broken. You stand before God in no violation of those laws. He looks at you and says, "I see no violation of law here". I still tear up whenever I think about that. What a great God we have!

And God does not even look or honor your attitude just written.

Teh Law of Moses was for Israel not the gentiles throughout the world in the NT. For any reason. Jer. 31:31-34 shows that it was for Israel alone! Hebrews shows the Mosaic Law is obsolete and old! The New Covenant God says He will make with Israel has not gone into effect yet. It is still being mediated until the time Jesus returns.

We are living in between the time of teh Old Covenant, and teh start of teh New covenant as declared by God in Jer. 31_31-34. We live in teh lawe of teh Spirit or the law of Christ.

It is written on the hearts and minds of every New Covenant believer (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

Not in the least!

Heb. is speaking about Israelis, Romans you err in thinking the word law means the Mosaic 613 commands.

Because while the law no longer condemns the one who is forgiven through the blood of Christ, we are still governed by it as believers under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

How can you be governed by something if it is no longer in effect? You say you can eat all foods because Jesus said so! So are you suggesting that Jesus can end the law or parts of it?

YOu say the law is not binding to those who walk in christ, so does that mean unbelieversd will be held accoutable for every lobster they eat?

Okay, okay, lol. Just tell us what Romans 3:31 means then!

You first! You say we uphold the law, so I asked you first. and don't just say yop agree withh the bible. If you do, then tell me what the bible says you agree with and make clear your understanding of what the bible says.

No, actually he was keeping it. The death penalty is to be first administered by the hands of the witnesses (Deuteronomy 17:6-7, Deuteronomy 13:9. All he was doing was making those required by law to stone her think about their own transgressions that required the death penalty before they came forward to keep the law. He couldn't get any of the witnesses required by law to come forward and start stoning her! The people themselves are the ones who did not keep the law of Moses by not stoning her. Leave Jesus out of this one.

Actually He was not! Read the Mosaic Law and read the account in the gospel. Jesus did not actually acquit her. There were two witnesses that caught her in the act, that is why she was near being stoned! All Jesus did was say let the person without sin cast the first stone. That was never a requirement of the Law of Moses.

I agree. That's why we should use the discernment provided to us by the Holy Spirit using the precedents provided for us in the scriptures.

And if someones "discernment" disagrees with your discernment, what then? Is your first reaction they are not being guided by the Spirit?
 

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See I agree that any requirements (debt) of the law have all been fulfilled in Jesus. thus the law is now null for all its requirements have been fuflilled.
As far as your legal justification, apart from your works, yes, Christ left no trace of guilt concerning the law. But in regard to your practical justification according to your works, no, Christ did not fulfill all of the law for you. The part that remains for you to fulfill is everything connected with 'love your neighbor as yourself'. Christ does not do that for you. YOU do that, through the power of the Holy Spirit that God has given you. That is what he saved you to do.
 

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So you reject any form of capitol punishment then for sin?
No. We all deserve to be put to death for one Biblical reason or another. Only a blind fool would insist another person be put to death for their sin just because that's the just, lawful thing to do. They don't realize that they would have to die with them for their own sin. I think we should let God take care of that judgment, except in the case of the hardened, unrepentant person who is too dangerous to remain alive-terrorists, rapists, murderers, etc. That is a practical reason, not a religious one. But one Christianity allows.
 

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I do my best not to. Sometimes I fail; but when I do, I know that 1 Timothy 4:1-6 is a reality.

But the only reason I try to uphold the food laws is for the sake of the conscience of any weaker brothers who believe that the food laws are still in effect (1 Corinthians 8, Romans 14, Romans 15:1-2).

Well I eat them all. that abstination was established for meat offered to idols. Not foods banned by the Mosaic Law. The Law of Moses does not exist for the church! All foods are clean for us as Jesus said.
 

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If you already believe that God is capable of torturing people for all eternity

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

This verse seems to be pretty clear about how long torment lasts in the lake of fire.

If you ever “ Ceased Sinning” , which you won’t, what good would it do you on Judgement Day?

I won’t have the Lord saying this to me:

Matthew 7:23 ..,I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

you might get an “ atta-Boy” for your self- control

I’ll get this, Lord willing:

Matthew 25:21 ...Well done, thou good and faithful servant

Trying to make yourself acceptable to God By what “ YOU” did for God , as opposed to realizing what HE did for YOU ...

For the upteenth time: I have made myself acceptable by repenting and believing the gospel! Now I do this:

Romans 6:13 ..,yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

When you dont know your Bible and you must count on others not Knowing their Bibles also.....you think you can just throw anything out there that “sounds Holy” and-get away with it..

What a flagrant and utter false accusation. You are the one who misquoted me. You left out the context of what I said. Just like what you do with the scriptures.

Grow up!

1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby

Don’t seek the insincere leaven of men’s words.
 

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If you ever “ Ceased Sinning” , which you won’t, what good would it do you on Judgement Day?
And there it is, folks. The proverbial $64,000 question.

The spirit which actuates the "eternal security" mindset shows its true colors.

If we examine closely, what is really being asked?

The one being questioned is directed to consider:

"If I add even a few less sins to the guilt for which my Savior was punished on the Cross,

What's in it for me?"

"I'm still going to Heaven regardless of how much Christ suffered, right?"

"Why should I be bothered to lessen His sufferings?"

Hebrews 6
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
 

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The grain offerings represent believers brought to the Lord by the priestly ministry of the church (people are like the plants, made from dust and raised up from the soil of the earth).

Romans 15:15-16
...because of the grace God has given me 16to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 66:
So they will proclaim My glory among the nations. 20And they will bring all your brothers from all the nations as a gift to the LORD on horses and chariots and wagons, on mules and camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the LORD, “just as the Israelites bring an offering in a clean vessel to the house of the LORD.”

Ezekiel 20:40-41
There I will accept them and will require your offerings and choice gifts, along with all your holy sacrifices.41When I bring you from the peoples and gather you from the lands to which you have been scattered, I will accept you as a pleasing aroma.

So Gentile believers are now the multiple non sin offerings God said Israel to bring? Jesus the model Jew has brought us to teh heavenly temple in fulfilment of the Mosaic Law? that isquite an allegorical opinion.
 

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There is no law that condemns us when we walk in the Spirit.

And you consider that no condemning law to be the Mosaic Law? You walk a fancy wiggly line between many issues in yor conversation. No law that condemns us- so there is no law. but there is a law it just doesn't condmen us.

Some of that law we obey ourselves in the Spirit.
Some were ended with Jesus life so they are no longer valid.
Differing people have differing discernments on this- so who is right and wrong ?

We are no longer under the Mosaic Law- but somehow we still are for we establish and uphold and fulfill it by being in the Spirit.
 

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As far as your legal justification, apart from your works, yes, Christ left no trace of guilt concerning the law. But in regard to your practical justification according to your works, no, Christ did not fulfill all of the law for you. The part that remains for you to fulfill is everything connected with 'love your neighbor as yourself'. Christ does not do that for you. YOU do that, through the power of the Holy Spirit that God has given you. That is what he saved you to do.

You need to spend more time in the New Testament Epistles.

Your answers are so filled with duplicitous meanings as to render them unintelligible in light of the teachings to the church!

1Christ is the need of the law (not some or most or lots) to everyone who believes!
2. Where there is no law, there is no sin.
3. Cursed is everyone who fails to fulfill ALL the law!
4. the law brings wrath not life!
 

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No. We all deserve to be put to death for one Biblical reason or another. Only a blind fool would insist another person be put to death for their sin just because that's the just, lawful thing to do. They don't realize that they would have to die with them for their own sin. I think we should let God take care of that judgment, except in the case of the hardened, unrepentant person who is too dangerous to remain alive-terrorists, rapists, murderers, etc. That is a practical reason, not a religious one. But one Christianity allows.

So you really don't believe in Capitol punishment- for only a fool would put someone else to death as per you! Give honest answers.

God established capitol punishment long before the Mosaic Law came into existence.
 
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