Vaccinations

[Mayflower]

Had to share this from Facebook....
I’m a little nervous. Yesterday I volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials held in the LA area. The vaccine is the one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot yesterday at 4:00 pm. I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши.

Wow tongues!!!! ^_^ happy you are feeling spirit filled. :)

 

[Mayflower]

And how do you know that this website is authoritative?

There is no actual fetal tissue in any vaccine that I am aware of (and I am a doctor). Cells descended from a fetus aborted several decades ago are used in many research procedures (including vaccine development) but that is not the same thing at all.

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And how do you know that this website is authoritative?

There is no actual fetal tissue in any vaccine that I am aware of (and I am a doctor). Cells descended from a foetus aborted several decades ago are used in many research procedures (including vaccine development) but that is not the same thing at all.

Article: Coronavirus vaccines and Christian ethics - John Wyatt

oronavirus vaccines and Christian ethics - John Wyatt

Check out hek cells and what that means. These same kidney cells are listed in the rubella vaccine directly as an ingredient. I don't want to point you to a specific thing. Since you are a doctor, you may know better where to look. But I am part of a prolife organization that fights against abortion. This is the info they shared with me. Some of this article goes over my head, but this is what I focused in on:

Quoted: How were the cells of aborted babies involved in the development of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines?

Both of the mRNA vaccines relied on the genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein that was determined by another company that used HEK-293 (human embryonic kidney) cells (from a baby that either was aborted or miscarried in the 1970s). Also, some tests to prove that each vaccine stimulates cells to produce spike protein and express it on their surfaces were done in HEK-293 cells.

And if that is not enough, Moderna’s use of HEK is not new…previous patents in 2015 show its use as well. Use the Find function and type in HEK in the search…it’s listed 76 times.

 

[farouk]

There is no actual fetal tissue in any vaccine that I am aware of (and I am a doctor). Cells descended from a foetus aborted several decades ago are used in many research procedures (including vaccine development) but that is not the same thing at all.

@Deborah_ I think that it's good for ppl to take note of your comments, as you are a doctor.

 

[Mayflower]

@Deborah_ I think that it's good for ppl to take note of your comments, as you are a doctor.

I have friends who are doctors who have told me otherwise. But it is a good thing to know. Especially because I feel like abortion is modern day murder.

 

[Mayflower]

And how do you know that this website is authoritative?

There is no actual fetal tissue in any vaccine that I am aware of (and I am a doctor). Cells descended from a foetus aborted several decades ago are used in many research procedures (including vaccine development) but that is not the same thing at all.

Article: Coronavirus vaccines and Christian ethics - John Wyatt

Plus, a fetus aborted several decades ago used in the research procedures is still an aborted fetus used in the research... As far as coscience wise goes, I believe I am open to pfizer if it doesnt have hek cells in it. But not moderna...

 

[historyb]

As if anyone will tell you the truth or give you the facts. The days of medical ethics are over. You take this vaccine at your own peril, and the manufacturers have absolutely no liability. And those who inject vaccines probably have absolutely no idea of what exactly they are injecting. They are just following routine.

Also you forget to mention *aborted* fetuses. There is a big difference between deceased fetuses and aborted fetuses. But you said "...because it has been developed from a deceased fetus..". Homicides are not the same as natural deaths. Infanticides are not the same as natural deaths. So Catholics in particular should avoid these vaccines like they plague.

I did not say, the article said such. Honestly I tire of conspiracy theories, is it any wonder conservatives have the reputation they have.

 

[Mayflower]

@Devin Wintch I figured I would post my reply to you here since this thread is about vaccines....


Supposedly, C19 is everywhere ...and you've not gotten it. Hospitals are "overwhelmed with positive cases" because they're using a faulty test that has been proven to have at least 50% chance of a false positive. So they're testing people like crazy, getting their "positives" ...filling beds and raking in the government payoffs ...they get $$$$ for every "positive" case. THEN ...they fearmonger everyone into thinking they must have this "vaccine."
Just step back and wait ....and listen to the testimonies of ones who have gotten it. I think they will shut these people down before long, though ....and there will be some wild claims of how good it is. But here in the beginning, we are more likely to hear some true testimonies. That's my take, anyway.....

I have friends who have felt fine, but some have been getting really sick on the first dose. That is not good...

Sorry for multiple posts. Just catching up and onr big old long post is usually not my thought style.

 

[Mayflower]

Well this is enlightening. A bit more my level, but have some pretty mixed feelings about it. I possibly may have misunderstood what they posted. They are extremely prolife, so even vaccines growing in aborted human cells would be like actual cells in them. I don't like it being named as an ingredient if so. Idk. I need to sleep on it. ^_^ (if so I am not just yet prancing off to take it, but I do want to know).

Vaccine Ingredients – Fetal Tissues | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

 

[Sabertooth]

These same kidney cells are listed in the rubella vaccine directly as an ingredient.

See Vaccinations

Since you are a doctor, you may know better where to look.

That information for MRC-5 & WI-38 is on the package inserts, themselves. More about HEK-293...

Especially because I feel like abortion is modern day murder.

It is modern-day child sacrifice (to Mammon).

As far as coscience wise goes, I believe I am open to pfizer if it doesnt have hek cells in it. But not moderna...

https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/CovidCompareMoralImmoral.pdf

 

[Enoch111]

Honestly I tire of conspiracy theories...

Whenever a conspiracy is a fact it is no longer a theory. The factual natural of the conspiracy is that people are dropping like flies after being vaccinated.

The Left (particularly the Leftist media) loves to call actual conspiracies "conspiracy theories". That let's them off the hook, since they are co-conspirators.

Was the Bolshevik Revolution a "theory" or a fact? Kindly check it out for yourself.

 

[mjrhealth]

Havnt you noticed, for months doctors have being complaining of the facts about corona deaths, and never would anyone go into it, you got corona and you died thats what you died of, now we have the vaccination, and people die, but now its, Oh that a side affect of the vaccination, they must of had an underlying condition,. Ye we know millions have died from that now its different, because its a vaccination and you have to have it or else. Being prepared for that mark.

 

[Mayflower]

See Vaccinations

That information for MRC-5 & WI-38 is on the package inserts, themselves. More about HEK-293...

It is modern-day child sacrifice (to Mammon).

https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/CovidCompareMoralImmoral.pdf

Yeh I completely misunderstood what this meant. I am sure it brings honor to an unborn baby to save lives. Abortion is still wrong, and I agree, modern day sacrifice, but feel a bit better about past vaccines at least.

 

[mailmandan]

But there is a more sinister agenda behind the COVID vaccine scam. That is to bring the populations of all countries under the control and domination of a handful of medical and political tyrants, who will rob everyone of their freedoms and their livelihoods. Travel will be restricted to only those who have been vaccinated, but the vaccines do not guarantee immunity.

This will make people dependent on the state to exist. It is already happening while countries are also becoming police states. So we have a combination of (1)Totalitarianism, (2) Communism, (3) Fascism and (4) Nazism all melded together into this COVID conspiracy. And every government is now involved.

It sounds to me like we are being groomed for a future world government and the mark of the beast.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeh I completely misunderstood what this meant.

Which part did you not understand?

I am sure it brings honor to an unborn baby to save lives.

I am not sure what that means.

(Maybe we should talk in a PM so we don't derail this thread...)

 

[JohnDB]

Wife got her second injection Saturday of the Pfizer vaccine...
Had some arm soreness and draggy feelings but that was all....her arm is still a bit sore.

Otherwise she has gone through the second shot just fine. She was expecting it to be worse. But hey, all's well that ends well.

 

[Mayflower]

Studying more about it, as a non doctor, this is what I have come to understand. Vaccines are GROWN in an aborted fetus' cells, in like hepatitus a, rubella, and mumps vaccine. It confuses me how it is listed as an ingredient though. I still do not feel very comfortable about the use on any level. While I believe abortion is completely wrong, at least it is honoring an unborn baby's death. I still don't plan to take the vaccine when it comes here. I want to observe it some more with those who have taken it for one, but I am rethinking vaccines completely, only because it is like I didn't even think of questioning vaccines at all. I never want to get to that point or my kids where I just willfully trust things shot into my body or their's. Not every med is a lifeboat. Especially permanent ones.

 

[JohnDB]

Studying more about it, as a non doctor, this is what I have come to understand. Vaccines are GROWN in an aborted fetus' cells, in like hepatitus a, rubella, and mumps vaccine. It confuses me how it is listed as an ingredient though. I still do not feel very comfortable about the use on any level. While I believe abortion is completely wrong, at least it is honoring an unborn baby's death. I still don't plan to take the vaccine when it comes here. I want to observe it some more with those who have taken it for one, but I am rethinking vaccines completely, only because it is like I didn't even think of questioning vaccines at all. I never want to get to that point or my kids where I just willfully trust things shot into my body or their's. Not every med is a lifeboat. Especially permanent ones.

Not always...
There are several ways to create a vaccine. You have mentioned one that is the least expensive and subsequently the least effective.
This is how the AstraZeneca vaccine is made (as well as a few others)
It's showing around a 60% effectiveness...but it's hard to tell because their paperwork is a disaster zone requiring the national guard and red cross for support.
And I am really concerned about the 40% results of ineffectual. What percentage of ineffectual Vaccine recipients were hospitalized? What exactly happened with these? In other coronavirus types of Vaccines these patients were more likely to be hospitalized for complications. (MERS and SARS vaccine trials weren't positives)

The end result is that a vaccine is to help your body to produce antibodies without endangering the patient...to do them no harm from medical intervention.

To me, the AstraZeneca vaccine and the J&J vaccine which are due out soon are rather scary in results. I don't want them due to effectiveness or ethics.

 

[Mayflower]

Okay this is from Hoosiers for Life. It is flagged as false, but it is worth considering. When are facebook fact checkers experts?

 

[Deborah_]

Check out hek cells and what that means. These same kidney cells are listed in the rubella vaccine directly as an ingredient. I don't want to point you to a specific thing. Since you are a doctor, you may know better where to look. But I am part of a prolife organization that fights against abortion. This is the info they shared with me. Some of this article goes over my head, but this is what I focused in on:

Quoted: How were the cells of aborted babies involved in the development of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines?

Both of the mRNA vaccines relied on the genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein that was determined by another company that used HEK-293 (human embryonic kidney) cells (from a baby that either was aborted or miscarried in the 1970s). Also, some tests to prove that each vaccine stimulates cells to produce spike protein and express it on their surfaces were done in HEK-293 cells.

And if that is not enough, Moderna’s use of HEK is not new…previous patents in 2015 show its use as well. Use the Find function and type in HEK in the search…it’s listed 76 times.

I have done. And as your quote states, the cells in question were used in the development of the vaccine (for growing the virus so that its DNA could be sequenced). They're not in the actual vaccine.

And those same cells are used widely in scientific research, not just in vaccine development. If the vaccines are "tainted" by the association, so are many other things.

 

[Enoch111]

It is flagged as false

Let's be very clear. Truth and facts are now being flagged as "FALSE" by the liars in the media, while lies and deceit are being promoted as gospel truth. We are now living in the 1984 which was prophesied by George Orwell. Truth is Lies and Lies are Truth.

Did anyone ever imagine that a bogus pandemic and bogus vaccines would take the world captive, and there would hardly be a squeak against this fraud? Did anyone ever imagine that the presidential election of the USA -- the leading country of the free world -- would be blatantly stolen, and there would be total collusion by everyone in government?