Hebrews 10:26-31

[justbyfaith]

Duly noted....my apologies....

Not so much for this present example .....most of the time when I say” You” , I mean it to be Generic .....the apology is mainly for other stuff I have said in the past....
I believe the “ Lucky Repenters” are probably Saved...they are just “ Fallen from Grace” ....BUT.....a lot of really great Bible Teachers say that without a doubt it means “ Damnation”...... so there ya go.....

Living for God is the result of salvation.

So, if you don't repent of (turn away from) your sins, you can be saved?

What do you make of Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41, and Matthew 13:41-42?

Living for God is the result of salvation.

So, if you don't repent of (turn away from) your sins, you can be saved?

What do you make of Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41, and Matthew 13:41-42?

To @Blood Bought 1953.

justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance ....

It's @justbyfaith.

The term "just" having a double meaning..."only" and "righteous"

If, in these days, the latter meaning is more being preached by me, then I still have not departed from the reality of what my moniker stands for.

Glad He never signed His name to it,

Actually He did, in 2 Timothy 3:16.

 

[mjrhealth]

Living for God is the result of salvation.

So, if you don't repent of (turn away from) your sins, you can be saved?

What do you make of Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41, and Matthew 13:41-42?

To @Blood Bought 1953.



It's @justbyfaith.

The term "just" having a double meaning..."only" and "righteous"

If, in these days, the latter meaning is more being preached by me, then I still have not departed from the reality of what my moniker stands for.



Actually He did, in 2 Timothy 3:16.

Never did, God is not the author of confusion, why are you so confused, See HE never put His name to it God is not that "foolish". you are clutching at straws because you have nothing to hold onto.

 

[justbyfaith]

Never did, God is not the author of confusion, why are you so confused, See HE never put His name to it God is not that "foolish". you are clutching at straws because you have nothing to hold onto.

God truly signed His name to all of scripture in 2 Timothy 3:16.

Did you read it?

2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17, That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Blood Bought 1953.

So, you believe that if a man does not repent, he can still be saved?

What do you make of the following scriptures?

Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 25:41, Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mat 13:41, The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

If a man does not turn from his sins, he will continue to work (do) iniquity; and therefore he will be cast into the furnace of fire; don't you see that?

 

[justbyfaith]

@Blood Bought 1953,

Tell me please, is the following part of a FALSE and PERVERTED gospel?

Bear fruits worthy of repentance...

for the axe is laid to the root of the trees.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

“faith to believe”? Now, this is really getting difficult to understand. Sorry, I can’t seem to get that and so them the rest of what you say.

People often use the phrase 'I have the faith to believe'. That means we have some insight, some convicting force, within us that something is true that we can't otherwise know is true. We just sense that something is true. That's the 'faith' part. It's "the evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1). Then, because we have this evidence within us, this sense that something really is true, we then have the basis upon which can then place our trust and confidence, our believing, in that which faith is showing us to be true.

I think you can see how this applies to the Christian faith. Faith is the convicting force of the Holy Spirit within a person, testifying to them that the gospel is true. On the basis of that faith a person then chooses whether or not he will place his trust in that which the voice of faith is telling him really is true. Most people, because they prefer their sin, will reject the testimony of the Holy Spirit showing them the gospel is true and will cast it from their heart in willful unbelief. Others, because they are sick of their sin and the wages it pays, will retain the testimony of the Holy Spirit in their heart and place their trust in it and be saved.

Faith is a noun. It's the 'thing' that shows you the gospel is true. Believing is a verb. It's the 'action' of you receiving and retaining the truth of the gospel. You don't get saved by just knowing the gospel is true. You get saved by believing and trusting in the gospel you know to be true. You can tell if you just know the gospel is true, or whether you are believing in it by how you live. That's the practicality of the whole matter. Believing is evidenced by action.

 

[mjrhealth]

God truly signed His name to all of scripture in 2 Timothy 3:16.

Did you read it?

2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17, That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Never did, your clutching at straws, you "demand" He do, because without it you have nothing, no one needs to listen to you or me just because we have a bible, the only one any man ever need is Jesus, but He is always left out., Its not Christ first its bible first, Idols in mens hearts.

1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

But you have to abide in Him first.

When I was a child a had a teddy near, than I grew up.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Do you consider that as good news (gospel)?

19Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. Acts 3:19-20

That's good news.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That would be great if it was true, But is it?, Do you see Jesus in that verse, Without Jesus you can do nothing

What is it about "fruit of the Spirit" that you do not understand? It doesn't say 'fruit of yourself'. How can you possibly think I'm talking about the fruit of self? Thoughts, attitudes, and actions motivated by the fruit of the Spirit are what constitutes the righteous life of the genuine believer. If a person is not living that kind of life they have to perform a serious self examination to see if they're really born again. Ultimately, dead faith is no faith. The lack of the fruit of the Spirit being the sign of unbelief. There's no Spirit present in that person to produce that fruit. People without the Spirit can't produce that fruit with any amount of consistency as a way of life, and none at all in certain situations. That's why this argument about people working the works of the Spirit in self righteousness, and being damned for it, is ridiculous. Self righteous people are signified by their hypocrisy, not their obedience.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

2 Peter 1:10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;

What are the “these things” Peter referring to? Are they what you say there? Of you read the context, you’ll find out that the difference and find out that Peter was not referring to works to be done.

They are qualities of the Spirit (vs.8).

8For if you possess these qualities....

All the things he lists are manifestations of the Spirit. It's what the Spirit within a person looks like on the outside of a person. Ultimately, the absence of these qualities of the Spirit indicates an absence of the Spirit from whence they come. The willful sinner in Hebrews 10:26 is rejecting the Spirit, his willful sinning being the evidence of that. The sentence for doing that is to be condemned with the enemies of God. The person who does that will not be saved when Jesus comes back. Assuming God will allow it, they need to repent and come (back?) to genuine faith in God.

 

[HisLife]

What is it about "fruit of the Spirit" that you do not understand? It doesn't say 'fruit of yourself'. How can you possibly think I'm talking about the fruit of self? Thoughts, attitudes, and actions motivated by the fruit of the Spirit are what constitutes the righteous life of the genuine believer. If a person is not living that kind of life they have to perform a serious self examination to see if they're really born again. Ultimately, dead faith is no faith. The lack of the fruit of the Spirit being the sign of unbelief. There's no Spirit present in that person to produce that fruit. People without the Spirit can't produce that fruit with any amount of consistency as a way of life, and none at all in certain situations. That's why this argument about people working the works of the Spirit in self righteousness, and being damned for it, is ridiculous. Self righteous people are signified by their hypocrisy, not their obedience.

Because all you talked about was yourself, I can only go on your words, Its one thing to be living that kind of Life its another to be boasting about it, Dead Faith or Living Faith only matters to the one that can read the intentions of the heart, So The argument is what is it to you, and how would you even know

Who said you are damned for working righteousness, That's silly, Your damned for Rejecting The Salvation God offers, And that is That Jesus Died for your sins was buried and rose from the grave, You say not all sins So you oppose The Grace Of God, That is the fact of the matter

Self Righteous People are hypocrites because they Don't live up to the Standard they pretend, If your obedient shouldn't you shut up about it

 

[Ferris Bueller]

“Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross” (Colossians 2:14)

Certainly there was nothing in the Ten-Commandment law that could be defined as “contrary” to Paul and the church to whom he was writing. It was not “against” those early Christians to refrain from adultery, theft, lying, etc.

While I respect your view, I think it best to understand it as the power of the law was nailed to the cross. The power and authority of the law to arouse sin in us, and then condemn us for that sin was taken away when we were crucified with Christ on the cross, because the law only has power and authority over a person as long as they are alive. Like how the law of marriage only has power and authority over a person to keep them in that relationship and make them serve in that relationship as long as they are alive (Romans 7:1-6, one of my favorite reads).

The NIV interprets Colossians 2:14 like this.....

14having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.​

So when viewed in regard to the authority and power of the law, this indebtedness to the law includes all of the law—ceremonial, moral, and in particular, even the stupid (but binding) Rabbinical add-on laws of the Pharisees (see vs.8). We can't be aroused to sin and be condemned by the law anymore because the weakness that the law played against us (our sinful flesh) has died with Christ. And even if we do sin, Christ's crucifixion on the cross provides the lawful propitiation for that sin and so the law can't condemn us even in that regard! I mean, as long as we are believing and trusting in that propitiation and not off in the willful sin of an unbeliever. In which case there is no propitiation of Christ's sacrifice remaining for that person (see how I kept this on topic, lol?).

 

[mjrhealth]

While I respect your view, I think it best to understand it as the power of the law was nailed to the cross. The power and authority of the law to arouse sin in us, and then condemn us for that sin was taken away when we were crucified with Christ on the cross, because the law only has power and authority over a person as long as they are alive. Like how the law of marriage only has power and authority over a person to keep them in that relationship and make them serve in that relationship as long as they are alive (Romans 7:1-6, one of my favorite reads).

The NIV interprets Colossians 2:14 like this.....

14having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.​

So when viewed in regard to the authority and power of the law, this indebtedness to the law includes all of the law—ceremonial, moral, and in particular, even the stupid (but binding) Rabbinical add-on laws of the Pharisees (see vs.8). We can't be condemned by the law anymore because the weakness that the law played against us (our sinful flesh) has died with Christ. And even if we do sin, Christ's crucifixion on the cross provides the lawful propitiation for that sin and so the law can't condemn us even in that regard! I mean, as long as we are believing and trusting in that propitiation and not off in the willful sin of an unbeliever. In which case there is no propitiation of Christ's sacrifice remaining for that person (see how I kept this on topic, lol?).

You miss the point, they actually think they can keep the law, they think that it is obedience to do so, but they have by there own wisdom put themselves under the "curse" of the law, in fact if the Jews by Christ had not being divorced from the law, the SDA religion would be committing adultry with another womans husband, they even profane the Sabbath because they do it all out of works, they can never rest because they refuse to rest from their own works, the law is not of faith simply put they dont believe, it is all their own work. This is what happens when men refuse to go to the one who is the truth, But here is another one for you. All related

Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
Luk 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

 

[Tong2020]

They are qualities of the Spirit (vs.8).

8For if you possess these qualities....

All the things he lists are manifestations of the Spirit. It's what the Spirit within a person looks like on the outside of a person. Ultimately, the absence of these qualities of the Spirit indicates an absence of the Spirit from whence they come. The willful sinner in Hebrews 10:26 is rejecting the Spirit, his willful sinning being the evidence of that. The sentence for doing that is to be condemned with the enemies of God. The person who does that will not be saved when Jesus comes back. Assuming God will allow it, they need to repent and come (back?) to genuine faith in God.

So, with that, do you see how the Christian’s calling and election is confirmed? It’s not by what you say you do, that is by doing works.

It is giving all diligence, to add to one’s faith virtue, to virtue perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. In other words, to grow in the Spirit.

Growing in the Spirit or Spiritual growth is that which makes one’s calling and election sure or confirms it. That is what Peter is saying there in 2 Peter 1. Not doing works as you teach.

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[Ferris Bueller]

It’s NOT a call to return to the “ WEAK and USELESS” Law that can only “ Stir up Sin”
The Bible says God gave the Law so that “SIN MIGHT I N C R E A S E ! “
Why would Jesus promote more Sinning? Why would you ?

The law can only stir up sin in the unbeliever who has yet to die to the law through Christ. Believers are set free from the power of the law through death and so are no longer under the power and authority of the law to make them sin. They have been set free from the law's power to do that "in order that we might bear fruit to God".

Romans 7:4
4Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.​

If what you say were true, every New Testament writer would be promoting more sinning when they tell us to keep various laws. That's just nuts. They aren't promoting sin in believers when they tell us not to steal, and not to murder, not to lie, etc.

Because the believer loves Jesus he KEEPS his commandments, not sins all the more. If you sin all the more in response to the commandments, you aren't saved. You show you're still in marital bondage to the flesh.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Growing in the Spirit or Spiritual growth is that which makes one’s calling and election sure or confirms it. That is what Peter is saying there in 2 Peter 1. Not doing works as you teach.

Here, maybe this one makes it more clear....

Hebrews 6:10-11
10For God is not unjust. He will not forget your work and the love you have shown for His name as you have ministered to the saints and continue to do so.11We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. ​

You are to show diligence to the very end in "your work and the love you have shown for His name". And he says to do that "in order to make your hope sure". Working is how you make your hope sure.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

do you see how the Christian’s calling and election is confirmed? It’s not by what you say you do, that is by doing works.

It is giving all diligence, to add to one’s faith virtue, to virtue perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. In other words, to grow in the Spirit.

How do you 'do' virtue, and perseverance, and godliness, and brotherly kindness without actually 'doing' those things?

2 Peter 1:10-11
...make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, 11and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[BarneyFife]

Duly noted....my apologies....

Not so much for this present example .....most of the time when I say” You” , I mean it to be Generic .....the apology is mainly for other stuff I have said in the past....
I believe the “ Lucky Repenters” are probably Saved...they are just “ Fallen from Grace” ....BUT.....a lot of really great Bible Teachers say that without a doubt it means “ Damnation”...... so there ya go.....

Very gracious of you. My apologies to you, as well.

 

[Behold]

If this person continues to reject the testimony of the Holy Spirit the day will come when God will turn him over to his decision to not retain the Word of truth in his heart and be saved and he will never be allowed to repent and come to salvation. From that time forward there is no forgiveness available for that person. He is in an unforgivable state.

This is not true.
Your commentary is lying.
The person that wrote it is a deceiver.

The fact is, God never withdraws John 3:16. NOT EVER !
So, when you find commentaries that try to withdraw the truth from God's word, you need to put those commentaries in the dumpster, where they belong.

Now, what can happen, is that a person who hears the Gospel, and will not relent......keeps resisting the call of the Holy Spirit..
This person can become conscience seared..
This means, that they lose the ability, inside themselves, to feel the tug or hear the call, anymore.
The Call however, is always given, but a person who resists it too many times, can find themselves no longer being able to hear it.

 

[Tong2020]

How do you 'do' virtue, and perseverance, and godliness, and brotherly kindness without actually 'doing' those things?

2 Peter 1:10-11
...make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, 11and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

If you still have the mind that your spiritual growth is by your works, so be it with you. I think nothing I will say would matter regarding that anyway. I’ve shown you the scriptures. That’s all I can do for you regarding that.

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