Who founded your church?

[Truther]

The RCC does not baptise, they sprinkle babies ... they corrupt all of the church's ordinances.

They are the Great Whore of the book of Rev and the very founders of the Acts 2:38 skippers' movement.

 

[theefaith]

Nor does the RCC believe we may come directly to Christ


You need to apologise ... Jesus told us to preach.

Where?

 

[theefaith]

Nor does the RCC believe we may come directly to Christ


You need to apologise ... Jesus told us to preach.

not directly to Christ?
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 acts 9 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

 

[theefaith]

They are the Great Whore of the book of Rev and the very founders of the Acts 2:38 skippers' movement.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

 

[theefaith]

They asked Peter, men and brethren, what must we do?

You tell those thousands anything but Acts 2:38.

Why?

Do you agree with Peter's answer or not?

yes repent and be baptized in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit

 

[theefaith]

THats a lot of Catholic you have up and running.

"water baptism".. ."one true church".... water, water, water, water, water.

What i notice about your theology, is that there is no blood of Jesus in it, and the Cross is rarely found.

Plenty of water tho.

On the contrary you reject crucifixes
Showing the blood and passion and death of Christ
The movie the passion of the Christ was Protestant? Hardly

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Baptismal regeneration!

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)

 

[theefaith]

Listen,

the New Testament is the New Covenant.
Jesus created this with His Blood.
Jesus IS the New Testament AND the New Covenant.

God said. "Faith is accepted as Righteousness", without works.
Water Baptism is a work......Its something you DO.
God's Salvation, is what JESUS DID FOR YOU, that GOD GIVES you, as "the GIFT of Salvation".

You dont need a water " sign", you need a born again Spirit, as that is the PROOF, and there is no other.

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is not RCC doctrine.

I've never heard of "RCC" Doctrine.
I am a Cathoic - and it is definitely Catholic Doctrine.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham."

26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith,

Yes I know you picked those verses without regard to all the verses around them that prove you wrong...children of God through faith. Not your parents faith, but that individuals faith.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this fact - but apparently, A LOT.
Children who are Baptized are raised in faith by their parents - JUST like circumcized babies were raised in faith by their parents.

The OT Covenant with God was a FAMILY setting.
The NEW Covenant is also a FAMILY setting. That's why Peter tells the crowd:
Acts 2:39-39
“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

We are NOT "Lone Rangers" in our journey.
The Body of Christ is a FAMILY - and ALL parts are in need of one another (1 Cor. 12).

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL(good one).
But seriously....you are forcing babies to inherit a covenant.
No wonder they burst out crying when you spray them down in the titles.
Try to get at least quote Acts 2:38 when you make these kids miserable, okay?

Another idiotic response - what a surprise.

Did the Jews "force" the Covenant on their babies?

 

[BreadOfLife]

breadoflife..

So, let me quote the Catholic bible correctly, being that you decided not to do it.

"""
Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be BORN AGAIN = of water...."""

So, we are not BORN AGAIN of Water., which is the LIE that the CC teaches and its the LIE found in the CC bible.

Here it is again...

"""
Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be BORN AGAIN of WATER..

Listen..
you live inside a isolated religious mentality, that a false religious situation produces....for many years....and have not learned that the Catholic bible is a totally corrupted situation, that teaches that water causes the new birth.
So, when you dont understand that its the Holy Spirit that performs the new birth (born again) and not the city water supply, you will be found on Christian Forums teaching the Lie that "water saves", (born again OF water)... because you have been deceived.

It would be very difficult for you to find your way free of the cult mentality that teaches that Water is the means of regeneration, as there are a few of the "water cults" out there.......and they ruin all they can...
But here is the good news. With God, all things are possible, and its possible that you can find your way out of the deception.
But to do that, you have to want to know the truth.
You have t really want to know it.

Now about that 'KJV" "born of water"..

That is Jesus explaining to Nicodemus..... who is talking about going back inside His mother, as he didn't understand what Jesus was talking about when Jesus said you must be Born.....=Again...

So, Jesus was telling him......you are born once of your mother... and that water birth (born of water)... is the natural childbirth process where the water breaks and then the baby comes out..
So, that is how you are born of water, and now to be BORN AGAIN, you need to be Birthed SPIRITUALLY, as Jesus is explaining.

Ahhhh - I see you went for the idiotic, modernist rendering of John 3:5 - wherein, you claim that the "Water" Jesus spoke of is actually amniotic fluid.
Nicodemus was asking Jesus how to be born AGAIN - and that's exactly what Jesus was talking about - NOT natural birth.
Let's take it from the top:
John 3:1-5
Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is BORN AGAIN he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

One thing about John's Gospel is the heavy usage oif CONTEXT. We see this is the Bread of Life Discourse in John 6 whan discussing the Manna and the Eucharist - and we see it here in John 3:

- In the 1st Chapter, we read about the BAPTISM of Christ - and WHAT do we see?? WATER and SPIRIT.
- In the 2nd Chapter, we see the miracle of the Wine at the Wedding at Cana through the transformation of WTER into wine.
- Here in Chapter 3, we see Jesus talking to Nicodemus about WATER and the Spirit. WHERE do Jesus and the Apostles go right after their meeting with Nicodenus?? They go BAPTIZING (John 3:22).

The first THREE chapters of John's Gospel are literally DRENCHED in the transforming waters of Baptism.
You have to be spiritually BLIND not to see it . . .

 

[Renniks]

Children who are Baptized are raised in faith by their parents - JUST like circumcized babies were raised in faith by their parents.

Let me stop you right there... That's not necessarily true at all. I guarantee you lots of parents baptized their babies only because of tradition.

 

[Renniks]

Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

That's everyone. It's got nothing to do with baptizing babies. He's just confirming that Jesus died for all generations and people.

 

[theefaith]

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this fact - but apparently, A LOT.
Children who are Baptized are raised in faith by their parents - JUST like circumcized babies were raised in faith by their parents.

The OT Covenant with God was a FAMILY setting.
The NEW Covenant is also a FAMILY setting. That's why Peter tells the crowd:
Acts 2:39-39
“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

We are NOT "Lone Rangers" in our journey.
The Body of Christ is a FAMILY - and ALL parts are in need of one another (1 Cor. 12).

Jude 1:1the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

 

[Truther]

yes repent and be baptized in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit

Is that what Peter said?...


37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Why did Peter say this instead?

 

[Truther]

Another idiotic response - what a surprise.

Did the Jews "force" the Covenant on their babies?

No silly, the adult Jews' covenant was circumcision on all their males(only)....no females.

Circumcision was akin to putting a "faith mark" on folks...that's it.

The RCC got mixed up and think circumcision is the equivalent to water baptism for their infants....then also, un-scripturally, adding the (spiritual circumcision) of the baby girls to the fray by default.

 

[marksman]

yes repent and be baptized in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit

No one in the New Testament Church baptised in the name of the Father the son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[marksman]

Is that what Peter said?...


37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Why did Peter say this instead?

And why did no one in the New Testamrent baptise in the name of the trinity?

 

[Brakelite]

The entire concept of baptism is destroyed by the baptising of infants.
Baptism, at it's core, means a voluntary death at the hands of another. It is an open and public confession of faith in a previously made decision and voluntary belief in and acceptance of the gospel. This is the cross we are called to take up. Of course this is a spiritual death...a mental assent to allowing God to include us in the death of Christ and surrendering body, soul and Spirit to God that He may raise us up in Christ, born again of the Spirit of God empowered to obey and walk with Him all the days of our lives.
Baptism is also a voluntary and public admission to a community of faith... To whatever community we may so choose.

We are not converted at baptism... But our conversion is publicly affirmed and confirmed and accepted by God at baptism... As it was with Christ in the river Jordan. Christ was already born again, but "fulfilled all righteousness" by allowing John to Baptist Him... Prefiguring calvary and the Resurrection. This, an infant cannot do. This, sprinkling cannot demonstrate.

 

[Behold]

Ahhhh - I see you went for the idiotic, modernist rendering of John 3:5 - .

No, im just showing you again and again, that water is not related to Spiritual Birth.
If you find this "idiotic" then blame your church.
They invented the heresy.

Now as i told you.
You are responsible to not be deceived by "water Cults".
So far, you have not been able to even realize it.
Perhaps one day you will.
Thats my hope.