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BreadOfLife

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Look at your alt's photo?
Thats a symbol.
See that "eucharist"?
To you that's "jesus", but to God thats a cookie taken out of a bag that holds, probably a few hundred.
How do you know that God sees that as a cookie?
Because the Real Jesus is sitting next to Him, and all the born again are In Him.
In other words YOU couldn't provide me with an example of "Remembrannce" being defined as "merely symbolic", either.
That's what I thought.

You guys are battin' a thousand . . .
 

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By omitting "repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins" per infant baptismal instructions, the RCC and all of it's Catholic constituents completely skip Acts 2:38.
Like I said before - because you ignorantly isolate Acts 2:38, like most Scripturally-bankrupt people - you don't understand the rest of the verses pertaining to Baptism.

BOTH Peter and Paul Baptized entire households based on the faith of the leader of those households.
Peter baptized the house hold of Cornelius - and Paul baptized the households of the Philippian Jailer and Stephanas.

Households - especially in the 1st century were multi-generational. Under the same roof, you had the elderly, the other adults - and CHILDREN of ALL ages.

Do your HOMEWORK before posting next time.
This is embarrassing . . .
 

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No, i cant see because you didn’t provide a list....

I thought we were talking about Eusebius since you quoted his works. Here is his list for Rome and the best i can tell is that it matches with the link I provided:

CHURCH FATHERS: Church History, Book IV (Eusebius)

Would you care to share your published list?
Its the same names as on your list. But they don't start with James, nor even second, and they don't have Symeon. Those are provided by the RCC of its so called lineage of popes.
 
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Acts 8:38
Nice try. Now read verse 27. "behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet....
Here is a man of wealth, authority and influence. He had his own chariot, a servant to drive it, and a scroll of scripture which in such times would have been very expensive. He had money in other words. He was also on a major trade route returning to north Africa which was like all trade routes in those days, would have been frequented by robbers and highwaymen...a la the good Samaritan parable. Being an important dignitary of government, the queen herself would have ensured he was well protected by a force of armed soldiers, likely on horseback or camels. Mary, that baptism was about as public as you can get, and you can well believe those soldiers would have taken no small interest in the proceedings, very likely vetting and frisking Philip before he even came close to the eunuch, and taking great interest in his baptism, speaking of it among themselves for some time afterward. In fact, historians tell us that from that one incident, a powerful Christian Sabbath keeping church sprang up in Ethiopia and remains to this day. Even the fact that the baptism was recorded by Luke (the writer of Acts) tells us that it was anything but private.
 

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Your sins are washed away by the name of Jesus used in water.

You cannot "believe away" the remission of your sins.

That makes your personal thought process the remitter of your own sins.

Stop making excuses to not obey Acts 2:38.

It is easier to obey than you realize...I know a man that baptized himself in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Try it.

exactly what do I need to do?
 

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It is a personal interpretation since those words (old man) are not in scripture
Mary, I suggested you read Romans chapter 6. You clearly didn't, believing your knowledge of you own church's false theories would suffice.
1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.


LOL....No, the practice doesn’t agree with your view (taught to you by another man)
Oh the irony. You refuse to acknowledge even the possibility that anyone has a personal relationship with God, you belittle and sarcastically ascribe learning from others who also have such a relationship and the combined wisdom becoming effectual to understanding the scripture, then you hypocritically go to other men yourself without any reference to scripture as you demonstrated above!!

Soooo your theory is that The Church meets all the criteria of the antichrist but none of the Protestant churches do?
That is absolutely what the scripture tells us. Not my theory at all. The Bible clearly reveals who Antichrist is. The reformers all agreed on at least that one thing and got it right. The Bible however doesn't present todays Protestant churches in any better light as they are now returning to their Antichrist Mother of Harlots and are thus demonstrating the same character...like mother like daughter. You wouldn't know or understand this however because you don't use the Bible to discover truth...you only use it as a magic talisman to make you "holy". Like I said previously, the reformers didn't go far enough in their reforms. As they left the CC, or as they were excommunicated from it for teaching scripture instead of tradition, they were on a learning curve to "come out" completely. Sadly, they didn't. But today, there are some believers who have, they are todays only true Protestants, and they hold no part in any of the beliefs and dogmas of Catholicism.
 

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It is not the whole denomination that is Antichrist. It is a man. And more of a politician, than a religious leader. Now, the False Prophet may fit, if you are thinking the Pope.

The biggest obstacle the RCC and Orthodox church people have to overcome is the idolatry of Mary. THAT is what Jesus is talking about in the letter to them. Thyatira.

no all idolatry is forbidden only a God can be worshiped adored and offered sacrifice
 
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In other words - you couldn't show me where "Remembrance" is defined as "merely symbolic".
That's what I thought . . .

Jesus ascended to the Father in his GLORIFIED FLESH.
He is in Heaven - BODY and Soul.

The Church has ALWAYS taught that we consume his glorified flesh.
Here is what 1st century Bishop, Ignatius of Antioch was taught by the Apostle John himself:

Ignatius of Antioch
Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 107]).

Count yourself among the "heterodox" whom he is talking about . . .
You see, I told you, Apostolic succession ceased to propagate shortly after the death of the 1st century Church. Your heretic mentor, Ignatius, clearly demonstrates that. Jesus said that 'once in heaven, we will be like the angels' , or when Paul said '...the stomach for food, and food for the stomach, but God will do away with both'. There will be no sewage system or excrement in heaven, so where in the world do you get the idea that Christ currently inhabits a corporeal body, ....that his elect can feed off of?
Like I keep saying, Catholic dogma undermines its own grounds for authority.
 

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It is not the whole denomination that is Antichrist.
No, as there are many individual Catholics living up to the best light they have and are sincere Christians who love Jesus. So while the denomination as a whole isn't of Antichrist, the system of sacramentalism and ritualism, her history and dogmas, her roots and ambitions, and the prophetic record all reveal her as meeting all the criteria. In fact no other institution can, nor any individual can meet those criteria as they are now historically impossible. For example, it is impossible for an individual to grow from pagan Rome and still be here to be judged at the second coming of Christ. The 'beast' of Revelation 13 does not depict an individual. Beasts throughout scripture, without exception, depict political institutions, governments or nations/empires. And in the case of Antichrist, a religio/political union. I have written several threads previously proving from scripture that the Catholic Church system...the Papacy itself...is the Antichrist. As did the reformers...all of them...before me. Later history revealed since the time of the reformers hasn't lessened that truth, but rather enhanced it. It is undeniable except one has been deluded by Antichrist itself into accepting her own false deceptions...that of a future individual, or of a past individual...futurism or preterism. Bot inventions of Jesuits to redirect the fingers away from identifying their own beloved institution as the only viable verifiable candidate.
 

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No, as there are many individual Catholics living up to the best light they have and are sincere Christians who love Jesus. So while the denomination as a whole isn't of Antichrist, the system of sacramentalism and ritualism, her history and dogmas, her roots and ambitions, and the prophetic record all reveal her as meeting all the criteria. In fact no other institution can, nor any individual can meet those criteria as they are now historically impossible. For example, it is impossible for an individual to grow from pagan Rome and still be here to be judged at the second coming of Christ. The 'beast' of Revelation 13 does not depict an individual. Beasts throughout scripture, without exception, depict political institutions, governments or nations/empires. And in the case of Antichrist, a religio/political union. I have written several threads previously proving from scripture that the Catholic Church system...the Papacy itself...is the Antichrist. As did the reformers...all of them...before me. Later history revealed since the time of the reformers hasn't lessened that truth, but rather enhanced it. It is undeniable except one has been deluded by Antichrist itself into accepting her own false deceptions...that of a future individual, or of a past individual...futurism or preterism. Bot inventions of Jesuits to redirect the fingers away from identifying their own beloved institution as the only viable verifiable candidate.

babylon the as a code word for Rome!
It refers to the pagan Roman Empire that persecuted the Catholics for 300 yrs
Drunk with the blood of the saints
 

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The Church meets all the criteria of the antichrist
The Catholic Church meets all the criteria, yes.
but none of the Protestant churches do
It is impossible for Protestant churches to meet all the criteria. Some of the criteria go back nearly 2000 years...as you say, Protestantism as an institution is a relatively recent phenomenon. They do meet some of the criteria, some more so than others maybe, but there is only one true Antichrist that prophecy speaks of as the opposer and counterfeit to the true Christ. BTW. the 'many' antichrists the apostle John spoke of were not the same is the one overarching singular entity against which prophecy speaks so clearly and repeatedly warns through Daniel, John the Revelator, and Paul, among others.
 

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The Catholic Church meets all the criteria, yes.

It is impossible for Protestant churches to meet all the criteria. Some of the criteria go back nearly 2000 years...as you say, Protestantism as an institution is a relatively recent phenomenon. They do meet some of the criteria, some more so than others maybe, but there is only one true Antichrist that prophecy speaks of as the opposer and counterfeit to the true Christ. BTW. the 'many' antichrists the apostle John spoke of were not the same is the one overarching singular entity against which prophecy speaks so clearly and repeatedly warns through Daniel, John the Revelator, and Paul, among others.

protestants don’t meet the criteria cos first you have to be a church!!!
 

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babylon the as a code word for Rome!
It refers to the pagan Roman Empire that persecuted the Catholics for 300 yrs
Drunk with the blood of the saints
You need to dig a lot deeper rather than superficially scratching the surface and coming to a conclusion based on hope rather than truth. Did not Papal Rome inherit its seat, its power, and great authority from pagan Rome?
Revelation 13:2 And the beast (Antichrist) which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon (in the form of Pagan Rome) gave him (the Antichrist) his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Who did the pagan emperor Justinian give the seat/throne of the city of Rome, power, and great authority to in the 6th century? From whence came Papal Rome's civil and political authority?
The dragon is in the first case, the devil, but he revealed himself to mankind through various agencies or false-fronts. In Revelation 12 we see the dragon standing before the woman seeking to devour the Christ child. Who in reality did this? Herod...pagan Rome's puppet king...thus revealing the dragon's assumed identity. Throughout history the dragon has used many such agencies as his arch weapon in order to destroy the people of God. And they run through history in a continuous timeline, each one inheriting the characteristics, wealth, power, and influence of its forbears. Egypt. Assyria. Then from the time of Daniel, Babylon, Media-Persia. Then came Greece and pagan Rome. After pagan Rome came Papal Rome. Each power...each entity swallowing up its predecessors but taking on many of its predecessors character and belief system. Hence why Papal Rome became a persecutor of even greater magnitude than pagan Rome. Hence why today in Papal Rome we witness so much of not only pagan Rome's traditions, manner of government, and superstitions, but also those of Greece, Persia, and Babylon, from which the dragon began his most concerted attacks against God's people. The dragon's personal occult traditions and lies and deceptions run through the whole timeline and are common to them all and remain even to this very day as Christian dogma and doctrine even in Protestantism.
No-one likes to admit this however. It damages pride. It disturbs people's sense of security. Thus they do what you have done above...they take one text or two, and form the basis of their whole belief system on just a small portion of scripture without comparing scripture with other scripture to see the larger picture.
When speaking of these things, I don't do so from a spirit of meanness or hatred or bigotry. I am not "anti-catholic as many suggest. I love Catholics enough to tell them the truth regarding the system under which they have surrendered their lives, and pin their eternal hopes. The system is a lie. I don't say these things to belittle or abuse. It is simply to warn and to reveal what scripture teaches.
 

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You need to dig a lot deeper rather than superficially scratching the surface and coming to a conclusion based on hope rather than truth. Did not Papal Rome inherit its seat, its power, and great authority from pagan Rome?
Revelation 13:2 And the beast (Antichrist) which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon (in the form of Pagan Rome) gave him (the Antichrist) his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Who did the pagan emperor Justinian give the seat/throne of the city of Rome, power, and great authority to in the 6th century? From whence came Papal Rome's civil and political authority?
The dragon is in the first case, the devil, but he revealed himself to mankind through various agencies or false-fronts. In Revelation 12 we see the dragon standing before the woman seeking to devour the Christ child. Who in reality did this? Herod...pagan Rome's puppet king...thus revealing the dragon's assumed identity. Throughout history the dragon has used many such agencies as his arch weapon in order to destroy the people of God. And they run through history in a continuous timeline, each one inheriting the characteristics, wealth, power, and influence of its forbears. Egypt. Assyria. Then from the time of Daniel, Babylon, Media-Persia. Then came Greece and pagan Rome. After pagan Rome came Papal Rome. Each power...each entity swallowing up its predecessors but taking on many of its predecessors character and belief system. Hence why Papal Rome became a persecutor of even greater magnitude than pagan Rome. Hence why today in Papal Rome we witness so much of not only pagan Rome's traditions, manner of government, and superstitions, but also those of Greece, Persia, and Babylon, from which the dragon began his most concerted attacks against God's people. The dragon's personal occult traditions and lies and deceptions run through the whole timeline and are common to them all and remain even to this very day as Christian dogma and doctrine even in Protestantism.
No-one likes to admit this however. It damages pride. It disturbs people's sense of security. Thus they do what you have done above...they take one text or two, and form the basis of their whole belief system on just a small portion of scripture without comparing scripture with other scripture to see the larger picture.
When speaking of these things, I don't do so from a spirit of meanness or hatred or bigotry. I am not "anti-catholic as many suggest. I love Catholics enough to tell them the truth regarding the system under which they have surrendered their lives, and pin their eternal hopes. The system is a lie. I don't say these things to belittle or abuse. It is simply to warn and to reveal what scripture teaches.

no! Christ founded the holy church!
And conquered the entire system including the Roman Empire

dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Lk 1:32-33
 
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Ummmm.....You, Lady, are the one who doesn’t understand what he meant. He never wrote that James was the head of The Church. Only the head of the church in Jerusalem.

Would you please quote where Eusebious said that James was head of The Church? I must have missed it.

Thank you in advance...Mary
no all idolatry is forbidden only a God can be worshiped adored and offered sacrifice

Correct, idolatry is forbidden, but most Catholics kneel at an idol of Mary and even pray to her. We are only to pray to God, not the dead, which is a form of witchcraft.
 
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no! Christ founded the holy church!
Indeed He did. A holy church. A church with only one Master... One head, even Christ Himself. Sadly, one small branch of that holy church divorced itself from her Husband by making another... The emperor and other kings of the earth in unholy relationships which resulted in the wicked use of their armies and arms, such as Clovis, Charlemagne and many others to rule the world politically in the name of Christ. But Christ Himself said His kingdom is not of this world. The gospel was never intended to be spread by force and coercion.
And conquered the entire system including the Roman Empire
No, the pagan empire was not conquered. It was adopted. Pontifex Maximus, a partial title, is Roman. Placing a cross at the top of the obelisk in front of St Peters is not a sign of conquering, it's a sign of compromise and assimilation.
Relying on the rulers of the world to support it's dogmas and doctrines however was the worst step. It was a turning away from Christ and placing faith in the world. Spiritual adultery. The Roman and Alexandrian centers of Christianity were the only centers who at that time made such a move in unfaithfulness. The Assyrian churches of the east, and the Celtic churches in Britain and elsewhere, even in Milan and Turin and Greece, did not in the beginning join themselves to the political rulers of the world... Not until by force of arms and coercion through the political power of a growing Roman church did others succumb. But not all. They were called heretics by Rome, not because they had unbiblical doctrines, but because they refused to recognise a civil political sovereign Pope as their ruler. For this they were endlessly persecuted... Again by the armies of the Pope's allies. This further affirmed the papal apostasy.
 

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Correct, idolatry is forbidden, but most Catholics kneel at an idol of Mary and even pray to her. We are only to pray to God, not the dead, which is a form of witchcraft.
Hey Lady,

Idolatry is the worshiping of a false God. The Church does not support or teach any member of it's flock to worship a false God! So if you can prove that those people that you see kneeling in front of a statue are actually worshiping that statue then you would have a case of idolatry.

I suspect that those people that you see kneeling in front of a statue of Mary are not worshiping the statue or Mary. They are using the statue as a visual reminder of His mother. The Church teaches that Catholics are to love, respect and adore Mary just like her son and God did. Do you love, respect and adore the mother of Jesus?

Curious Mary

PS: In all fairness and to 'keep it real' there are many Protestants that 'idolize' Mary and it is NOT true that "most Catholics kneel at an idol of Mary"!! It has been my experience, as a Catholic instead of a biased Protestant, that your statement is not true. Why were you so unfair in your statement by only going after Catholics?
 

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The Catholic Church meets all the criteria, yes.

It is impossible for Protestant churches to meet all the criteria. Some of the criteria go back nearly 2000 years...as you say, Protestantism as an institution is a relatively recent phenomenon. They do meet some of the criteria, some more so than others maybe, but there is only one true Antichrist that prophecy speaks of as the opposer and counterfeit to the true Christ. BTW. the 'many' antichrists the apostle John spoke of were not the same is the one overarching singular entity against which prophecy speaks so clearly and repeatedly warns through Daniel, John the Revelator, and Paul, among others.
LOL.....so let me see if I have got your theory (that you were taught by other men) correct with just one simple example from Scripture.

Jesus told us in the Bread of Life discourse that we must eat his body and drink his blood to have life in us etc etc.

Jesus showed us how to do that at The Last Supper saying this IS my body/blood.

The Church does what Jesus
TOLD us and SHOWED us what to do and we BELIEVE HIM when he said communion IS his body (just like Paul taught).

Most Protestants or Protestant churches don't do what He said and don't believe what he said HOWEVER, according to the theory that was taught to you by another man, it is The Church that meets all the criteria of the anti-Christ???

The Church practices what Jesus and the Apostles taught and it is the anti-Christ but the Protestant churches that don't practice what was taught are Pro-Christ??????????? Fascinating....o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O


Oh goodness.....
 

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It is impossible for Protestant churches to meet all the criteria. Some of the criteria go back nearly 2000 years...as you say, Protestantism as an institution is a relatively recent phenomenon. They do meet some of the criteria, some more so than others maybe, but there is only one true Antichrist that prophecy speaks of as the opposer and counterfeit to the true Christ.
Hold on, hold on....Your theory is that Protestant Churches meet 'some of the criteria' sooooo that means they are not a "true Antichrist" church just because they teach SOME things that are Antichrist????? That my friend is an interesting theory.