So what's so new about the new Covenant, and is it better, really?

[Eternally Grateful]

The new covenant is far superior

1. the old covenant was based on performance, one was required to confirm and obey every word, failure in just one area meant the curse of the law was applied

the new covenant is not performance based, because no one can live up to the standard, it is based on Christ and the cross. Grace through faith in that work through Gods mercy not our performance he who knew no sin became sin for us that we may be made righteous in him. Not our own righteousness but his

2. the old was perfect yet weak, as only one person ever fulfilled it

the new is perfect, and is based on that one who fulfilled it

3. the old was a shadow, a schoolmaster

the new is reality, once the old has brought us to the new, the old has fulfilled its purpose in us

4. the old is temporary as it could never saved those to whom it was give,

the new is permanent in that it saves to the utmost all who have received it,

5. the old could make no one righteous

the new makes whoever is saved perfect, for he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified,

I can go on and on and on

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Every person has to decide for themselves about the Sabbath.

Decide to be a “ Weak Believer” , as described in Romans 14, and worrying about the Sabbath will come along naturally......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Here’s my guess is in the mind of BB.

Because being born again is not a matter that is in the hands of man, but is a matter in the hands of God who gives birth anew.

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I have never made such a claim....Here is my claim...” Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus “ for one’s Salvation.......
If one thinks that the Blood is Essential , but just not “Adequate” for Salvation—— they have crossed the line....They are Legalist , thus “ Fallen From Grace”.....90 % Of the Church World is in this state....Let’s pray that it does not equate to Damnation.....It could very well be the reason why that Path that Jesus referred to was so “ Narrow”....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

And therefore, turning to God is to turn away from sin.

So, even with your definition of repentance, turning away from sin is not excluded from the definition.



That is not what contrition means.

Neither of your quotes came from me.....

 

[justbyfaith]

The new covenant is far superior

1. the old covenant was based on performance, one was required to confirm and obey every word, failure in just one area meant the curse of the law was applied

the new covenant is not performance based, because no one can live up to the standard, it is based on Christ and the cross. Grace through faith in that work through Gods mercy not our performance he who knew no sin became sin for us that we may be made righteous in him. Not our own righteousness but his

2. the old was perfect yet weak, as only one person ever fulfilled it

the new is perfect, and is based on that one who fulfilled it

3. the old was a shadow, a schoolmaster

the new is reality, once the old has brought us to the new, the old has fulfilled its purpose in us

4. the old is temporary as it could never saved those to whom it was give,

the new is permanent in that it saves to the utmost all who have received it,

5. the old could make no one righteous

the new makes whoever is saved perfect, for he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified,

I can go on and on and on

The New Covenant has within it the concept that the law of the Old Covenant is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:5, 1 John 5:3, 2 john 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).

Decide to be a “ Weak Believer” , as described in Romans 14, and worrying about the Sabbath will come along naturally......

Or, you can be a stronger brother who is obedient to the exhortation in Romans 15:1 to "bear the infirmities of the weak..."

I have never made such a claim....Here is my claim...” Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus “ for one’s Salvation.......
If one thinks that the Blood is Essential , but just not “Adequate” for Salvation—— they have crossed the line....They are Legalist , thus “ Fallen From Grace”.....90 % Of the Church World is in this state....Let’s pray that it does not equate to Damnation.....It could very well be the reason why that Path that Jesus referred to was so “ Narrow”....

I would only point out again that the blood of Jesus does not only justify (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

Neither of your quotes came from me.....

So, you quoted them from someone else in order to substantiate your viewpoint?

I would say that, as such, the quotes qualify as things that you were using to substantiate your viewpoint...and therefore, if I have shown that they substantiate my viewpoint rather than yours...I have won that part of the contention.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The law does not have the power to "impart life" (Galatians 3:21)....but it does have the power to convert a soul (Psalms 19:7 (kjv))...

So, in the latter sense, it does have the power to "save".

It saves in that it shows a man to be a sinner in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:24); thus acting as a schoolmaster to lead him to Christ (Galatians 3:24).

In causing a man to realize his need of Christ, it saves him in that it causes him to turn to Christ for salvation.

You are Preaching to the Choir...

“ It causes him to TURN to Christ for Salvation”...... that is the Repentance that Saves—-
The Repentance That SAVES Is NOT “ Turning from Sin”.....Its Turning “ TO” Jesus......( Turning from sin will occur naturally if things are done in the right order....sometimes it takes a while....)

 

[Marymog]

Maybe. Does it?

Lol...I knew you wouldn’t answer because you have realized the hole you have dug for yourself and the conundrum you are in....thanks for your time.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The New Covenant has within it the concept that the law of the Old Covenant is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:5, 1 John 5:3, 2 john 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).



Or, you can be a stronger brother who is obedient to the exhortation in Romans 15:1 to "bear the infirmities of the weak..."



I would only point out again that the blood of Jesus does not only justify (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).



So, you quoted them from someone else in order to substantiate your viewpoint?

I would say that, as such, the quotes qualify as things that you were using to substantiate your viewpoint...and therefore, if I have shown that they substantiate my viewpoint rather than yours...I have won that part of the contention.

Good for you!

 

[justbyfaith]

Lol...I knew you wouldn’t answer because you have realized the hole you have dug for yourself and the conundrum you are in....thanks for your time.

What conundrum?

 

[justbyfaith]

You are Preaching to the Choir...

“ It causes him to TURN to Christ for Salvation”...... that is the Repentance that Saves—-
The Repentance That SAVES Is NOT “ Turning from Sin”.....Its Turning “ TO” Jesus......( Turning from sin will occur naturally if things are done in the right order....sometimes it takes a while....)

Repentance that saves has to do with what we hear in English when we hear the word "repent"...

It means making a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, satan, and hell; and towards righteousness , life, God, and heaven.

 

[justbyfaith]

Good for you!

Thank you very much...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Don't bother, I'm not getting into all that Old Testament stuff again. Jesus gave us 50 or more commands for us today, and I follow the Good Shepherd, my teacher, guide, helper, comforter, Saviour, healer, baptiser, coming King... Out with the old and in with the new under our Great High Priest. Praise God. It has been like that for over 2,000 years, and it is time people stopped looking back and instead look forward to when the Messiah comes AGAIN. (Hint, hint to all the unbelieving Jews.)
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50 Commands? Nope.
Two Commands were given by the Resurrected Christ.....# 1 Believe. #2 Love
Please read 1John 3:23......

 

[justbyfaith]

50 Commands? Nope.
Two Commands were given by the Resurrected Christ.....# 1 Believe. #2 Love
Please read 1John 3:23......

Yes, and there are about 50 things given in the Sermon on the Mount that tell us what are the specifics of what that love might look like.

 

[CharismaticLady]

In the Old Covenant, because He knew we were weak because of the sinful carnal nature, He provided laws that a weak person could keep. Romans 8. They were basically the bottom line, but nothing a weak person couldn't accomplish in his flesh, though could not bring them up to actually being righteous. But God is holy, so had to overlook the shortcomings previously committed under the law before Christ came. Romans 3. He also accepted the covering of sin by the blood of bulls and goats. What I think made God angry, is His people didn't even try to keep the shallow laws they could have easily kept.

The New Covenant is completely different, and based on the supernatural (and, NO, not spiritualism). The laws of God are not shallow. Instead they actually make a person holy. But certainly the natural carnal nature could not keep these, so Jesus sent His Spirit to indwell us and supernaturally separate the carnal nature from the newly created nature that partakes of Christ's divine nature. Romans 8:9 tells us that those who have not experienced being born again do not belong to Christ. If we continue to walk in the Spirit, we are able to never fulfill the lusts of the old flesh, but instead fulfill the completely righteous requirements of God's eternal laws of LOVE. We do not have to do anything of ourselves; Christ does it all through us. We just need to rest in His leading. IOW, we just do nothing against our conscience where the Spirit dwell.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

No.....I also know ( Jesus said so) that the Law was “ Weak and Useless “ due to the fact that it had “NO POWER to SAVE”......

This must be the only thing you know about the law.

Why do you always promote Sin? One of the reasons God gave the Law was so that “ Sin might Increase!”.......wanna See a big increase in Sin among your Congregation? Start preaching Law and that is exactly what you will get....

If the law causes you to sin more, you are not born again. Born again believers are no longer under the power of the law to make them sin, and no longer under the power of the law to condemn them for that sin.

For the unbeliever the law is like a marriage license that keeps them in marital submission to the desires of their flesh. But the believer's flesh has been crucified with Christ, so they are set free from the power of the law to hold them in marital bondage to the desires of the flesh. So if you are still being held in sin by the law that shows that your flesh has not been crucified with Christ. You are not born again.

On the other hand.....start preaching Grace and the fact that if you Rest in the Gospel you can never go to Hell for any reason , and watch the “ Sin-Rate” plummet......

Preach your gospel of 'I can sin all I want because I can't go to hell for any reason' and watch the sin rate sky rocket. Free Grace teaching says that grace is your license to sin, and many believe that lie. They're in for a rude awakening when Christ comes back. They do not believe that 'sinning all you want' shows you to not be a believer at all.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It means making a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, satan, and hell; and towards righteousness , life, God, and heaven.

Sounds-more like “turning over a New Leaf”....... Anybody could do it.....A man can do all of these things and not do the one thing that would save him—- Rest in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4....
Your guy could turn into a very “ moral” man......Hell is Chock-Full Of “ moral men”....
Don’t waste your time trying to be Moral.....concentrate on being Righteousness or Perfect.Of course , in reality , you can never be either one of these things .....The only hope one has is to Cling to the big “ loop - hole” .....Trust God and His Gospel Of Grace and He will “ Impute” you with the Perfection Of His Son......Ya gotta be “ Perfect” to get to Heaven—- don’t settle for anything less....

 

[CharismaticLady]

It means making a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, satan, and hell; and towards righteousness , life, God, and heaven.

There is no way a human being can do this completely. Their carnal nature would always get in the way.

The only hope one has is to Cling to the big “ loop - hole” .....Trust God and His Gospel Of Grace and He will “ Impute” you with the Perfection Of His Son......Ya gotta be “ Perfect” to get to Heaven—- don’t settle for anything less....

There is a problem with your theory. You treat Perfection as an invisibility cloak over our true wickedness, making our wickedness blind to God, but visible to the world.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Don’t waste your time trying to be Moral.....concentrate on being Righteousness or Perfect.Of course , in reality , you can never be either one of these things ....

I don't know what to do with you, BB. You keep saying things that are contrary to what Paul taught....

11But you, O man of God, flee from these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance, and gentleness. 12Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called... 1 Timothy 6:11-12
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You're telling us to not waste our time doing this.

 

[justbyfaith]

Sounds-more like “turning over a New Leaf”....... Anybody could do it...

Do you even know your Bible?

The Bible clearly teaches that no one can keep the letter of the law (in the power of the flesh)...Galatians 6:13.

The only way anyone can successfully "turn over a new leaf" (if by that you mean repent of sins) is if they believe in Jesus, receive the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus (Galatians 3:14) and then begin to walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

Without the Holy Spirit no one is able to walk in the repentance that one must accomplish in order to receive the Spirit (Acts of the Apostles 5:32).

 

[justbyfaith]

There is no way a human being can do this completely. Their carnal nature would always get in the way.

That's why we need to be born again.

When the Holy Spirit draws a man, He enables him to make a decision to receive Christ; and as he makes that decision, He makes him born again so that he can make that full 180-degree turn. He puts oil on the tracks, so to speak, so that you can fully turn around where without that oil, it would grate and you would not be able to make the full turn.