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  1. Backlit

    Backlit Well-Known Member

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    When are you going to change your mind about whether quitting sin is not only required, but possible?
     
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    Blood Bought 1953 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, and there are about 50 things given in the Sermon on the Mount that tell us what are the specifics of what that love might look like.



    .....and you don’t do a fraction of them.Had any lustful thoughts lately? If I punch you in the jaw, will you offer me the other one? Have you given everything you own to the poor? Ever get angry? You are no better than a murderer if you have.....
    Why not just give it up.....Jesus was showing the hopelessness Of trying to justify one's Self before a Holy God By trying and failing to be “ good enough” .....in fact, let’s just cut to the chase —- Jesus said you had to be “ Perfect” to Merit Heaven.....How’s That working for you, Blind man? Swallow your Pride , admit you are a hopeless and helpless sinner and throw yourself onto the Mercy Of God.....Thats the ONLY thing that will save you.....pray to God that he give you a Contrite Heart because you aint got one and without “ that” —— you will NEVER be Saved.....
     
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    I don't perceive this being the problem with the church these days. I just don't see the church trying to work itself to salvation. I see the opposite problem—dead faith. Which is really no faith.
     
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    Blood Bought 1953 Well-Known Member

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    This must be the only thing you know about the law.


    It’s the only thing I “ NEED” to know.....it’s the difference between Heaven and Hell....

    I just happen to know a LOT more than that in regard to the Law.....but as a Christian I am “ dead to the Law “..... it performed its task in my life....it lead me to Jesus....I’m done with it.....give it to somebody that needs it......like I used to need it.....
    Why waste one's time with something that has “ No Power?” ......I found something better to guide my life.....it’s called the “Holy Spirit”......The Problem is, that In order to utilize that Spirit you must trust God and not yourself.... A Reality That is completely foreign to the “ stiff-Necked” .....that’s a shame .....
     
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    Like what? What else besides that you can't earn salvation by keeping the law.
     
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    You just don’t get it, do you.....
    I can sin all I “ want” .......God has changed my “Wants” .....I am a New Creation in Christ Jesus.....when God forgave ALL of my Sins, He also did something else.....he gave me a New Heart .....A New Heart That obeys out of Love—- NOT Fear or Obligation.
    Yep, I do what I want . Every hour of every day . All I “ want” to do is please God .....my “ Wants” line up with His Wants....
    Christianity is not about will- power....it’s about Transformation.....and Trust.You don’t Trust.That's why you never understand what I am talking about.....you just gotta Live it.....
     
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    A lot of people misunderstand "dead to the Law". What it means is that the keeping all the commandments in the Law of Moses cannot make you righteous before God. Sinners are justified by grace through faith and receive the imputed righteousness of Christ. But following that God expects practical righteousness and holiness, and that is governed by the Ten Commandments, which are embedded in the Law of Christ. So there is a Law under which Christians must operate. The Law of Christ or the Law of Love.
     
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    Not at all.....I am saying to do ALL of these things !! They are NEVER a “ waste of time”.... Just don’t do them to GET Saved and don’t do them to STAY Saved!!
    One Believes the Gospel to get Saved.....these other great things to do are to be done AFTER Salvation....I have discovered that this “ to do” list comes naturally to me now that I have a New Heart—- how about you?
     
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    Good luck with keeping the law. You will never do it, so never saved and Satan has made another conquest.
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    When are you going to change your mind about whether quitting sin is not only required, but possible?

    Never.
    If one could( and they can’t) abandon all sin of commission, what about all this pesky “ Sins Of Omission?” Have you spent your spare time helping out in soup kitchens or helping out the sick in the hospitals ? How many strangers have you invited into you home lately to feed and clothe? Yeah, I thought so....
    When are you guys going to “ get it”.....God has us all “ trapped like rats”...... the ONLY way to get to Heaven is to humbly accept God’s Grace and trust In His Gospel to Save you.....
    If you ever “ did” manage to rise above all sin, you are going to be very disappointed that you were barking up the wrong tree all along.....” By the deeds of the !aw, NO Flesh will be Justified !” You are going to find out too late that you should have been concentrating on Was Faith. Faith in Jesus .Faith in what He did for you....NOT what you did for Him.....
    We are Saved by Faith and rewards in Heaven will be passed out in proportion to your Faith..... being obedient got you blessed in this life ....other than being Obedient to the Gospel , Obedience is a great thing, it pleases God more than Disobedience and as I said, it should pay off here on Earth ....obedience is a great thing.....it just does not get you saved, and it dies not keep you Saved......Faith in Christ and Faith in Him ALONE is what gets that accomplished....
     
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    I would venture to say that the “ Problems” with the Churches would be identical to the problems that small few point out in here....
    ...” Lucky” Repentance before you die.....no Willful Sins on your record .....and by proving yourself “ worthy “ of Heaven by doing a “ good enough” job of keeping the Law.....
    90% of Churches make their little Additions to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing like you and “ justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance” do , and therefore are “ Fallen from Grace” and don t even know how they got that way.....it could mean a beggarly Christian Walk Of it could mean Damnation. It depends on who you listen to....
     
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    All great stuff ! You left one out.....perhaps the most important of all! How does one perform the “ will of the Father” and get Saved ? “ BELIEVE in the One that He sent”.......That’s what I did. It got me Saved.
     
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    Nothing wrong with Mocking, when it is called for......Paul mocked those that demanded Circumcism as the way to be Saved .He used derision as he suggested why not just go out and “ cut off the whole thing!”..... there are other, even more graphic examples in Scripture .....
    “ perverted” Gospels “ should” be mocked.....God Hates them....
     
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    .but thank you for providing a sounding board by which I can get out the true gospel of Jesus Christ...


    ....and Thank “ YOU” for stealing my ideas and proving that “ imitation is the sincerest form of flattery” ....
     
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    TRUE.
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    Because, what you are not understanding is that I am preaching the law to you as a schoolmaster to lead you to Christ.

    Been there.....done that....
    What you are “ really” preaching are Additions to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing , mainly “ Lucky” Repentance ......read Gal 1:8 and see for yourself that this makes you “ Accursed” .....
     
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    Acts
    The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)

    Romans
    The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

    If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

    The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

    The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

    Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

    Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

    The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

    The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)

    The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)

    The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

    1 Corinthians
    The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)

    2 Corinthians
    The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)

    The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)

    The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)

    The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)

    Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)

    Galatians
    The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)

    Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)

    The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)

    To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)

    The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)

    The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)

    The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)

    The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)

    If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)

    The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)

    The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)

    Ephesians
    Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)

    Philippians
    Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)

    1 Timothy
    The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)

    It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

    Hebrews
    The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)

    God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)

    It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)

    It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)
     
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    Your theology astounds me. You have just two or three posts previously declared that it is impossible to stop sinning. Previous to that you have admitted to sinning numerous times every day, even every hour. And here you are saying this is what you must want. I dunt know what it is you are promoting here, but it isn't the gospel.
     
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    Those are not things you do to earn salvation. They are what you do when you have faith. When you don't have faith you go back to your sins. Paul said the faith that justifies all by itself is the faith that works. You have been defending the faith that doesn't save—dead faith—and claiming that saves too. Once again contradicting what the Bible actually says.
     
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    It's 'have no UNBELIEF on your record'. Get the argument right. Willful sins are the evidence of unbelief because "The one who practices sin is of the devil..." 1 John 3:8. But you say a person can practice sin and be saved at the same time. Once again, that's not what the Bible says.
     
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