Ronald Nolette
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you need to read your bible moreeph refers to redemption not justification or salvation
the thief? Baptism was not required until the death of the savior
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you need to read your bible moreeph refers to redemption not justification or salvation
the thief? Baptism was not required until the death of the savior
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In Revelation 14:6-12 God has the final message of warning that His people must deliver before He comes. It is shown as being preached by 3 angels. This is figurative, for it is the responsibility of the church to preach the gospel. It however can be understood that angels are directing and overseeing the preaching. Satan however has a counterfeit message. We see this in Revelation 16:13,14. “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.”
This is a threefold message of demons opposing and deceiving the world at the time of the end.
The following is not intended as evidence for the concept of a ‘Christian trinity’, however, the following does make for very interesting comparisons.
Dragon/Satan.
Now compare:
- His place in heaven (Rev 12:3,7,8.)
- He has a throne. (Rev 13:2, 2:13)
- Gives throne, power, and authority to sea-beast. (13:2,4.)
- He is worshipped. (13:4a)
- Destroyed forever. (20:9,10)
God the Father
The Land-beast or false prophet.
- Dwelling in heaven (Rev 4,5)
- He has a throne. (4:5; 7:9-15; 19:4)
- Gives throne, power and authority to Jesus. (Math 28:18 Rev 2:27; 3:21; chapters 4,5.)
- Is worshipped. (Rev 4:10; 15:4)
- Lives and reign forever. (4:9; 5:13; 11:15)
Now compare:
- Called the false prophet because he decieves people with regards to religious matters. (16:13; 19:20; 20:10)
- Lamb-like. (13:11)
- Exercises all authority of sea-beast. (13:12a)
- Directs worship to sea-beast. (13:12b,15)
- Performs signs. (13:13; 19:20)
- Brings fire down from heaven (13:13)
- Gives breath/life to beasts image (13:15)
- Applies mark of beast. (13:16)
The Holy Spirit
The sea-beast or antichrist.
- Called the Spirit of truth guiding people. (Jn 16:13 Rev 22:17)
- Christ-like. (Jn 1426; 16:14)
- Exercises authority of Christ (Jn 16:13,14)
- Directs peoples attention to Christ (Acts 5:29-32)
- Grants gifts..gift of miracles eg.(1 Cor. 12:8-11)
- Fire from heaven at Pentecost (Acts 2)
- Instills life to us, the image of Christ, ‘Christ in us the hope of glory’… (Romans8:8-11,29)
- Applies seal of God. (2 Cor 1:22 Eph 1:13 4:30 Rev 7:3,4.)
Now compare:
- Comes from water to begin activity. (13:1)
- Resembles dragon. (12:13 13:1)
- Ten diadems. (13:1)
- Ten horns (13:1)
- Receives power throne and authority from dragon/Satan. (13:2,4)
- 42 months of activity in first phase. (13:5)
- Was slain (13:3)
- Resurrected (13:3)
- Receives worship after healing (13:3,4,8)
Jesus Christ
Note how very similar the prophetic characteristics of antichrist are to Jesus.
- Comes from water to begin ministry (Luke 3:21-23)
- Resembles Father (Jn 14:19)
- Many diadems (Rev 19:12)
- Lamb has 7 horns (5:6)
- Receives power throne and authority from His Father (Math 28:18 Rev 2:27 Chapters 4,5)
- 42 months of ministry in initial phase. (Gospel of John)
- Was slain (Rev 5:6)
- Was resurrected (Rev1:18)
- Received worship after resurrection (Math 28:17)
So do the above attributes of the sea beast match any entity or individual in the world today? How does the above sea-beast or antichrist counterfeit the threefold ministry of the true Christ, as Priest, Prophet and King? Is there an entity in the world today who claims to do just this? Is there one like Judas who is betraying the Master with a kiss, all the while claiming to be a friend? Is there in the world today a religious system or religious ruler who claims to be the earthly representative of Christ as His priest, claiming to be a mediator between God and man? Claiming to forgive sin even, which is the sole prerogative of God, and Biblically and in particular applying to Jesus?
Does this entity also claim the prerogatives of a prophet? Does it claim to speak for God in spiritual matters? Does it claim to stand as God’s spokesman on earth and claim that only through it’s authority can salvation be found, and that when speaking officially is considered on a par with scripture, that is infallible?
And finally, does this entity also claim to be a king? Does it claim authority as a secular power? Does it exercise authority and power within the auspices of a church/state relationship?
The answer my friends to all the above questions is a firm yes.There is an entity in the world today who claims all the above Godly prerogatives which belong only to Jesus Christ. Priest, prophet and king.This entity has set itself up as counterfeit and thus can be affirmatively identified as the Antichrist, the impostor and impersonator of the true. And this entity can be found only in the Roman Catholic church system.
Every one of those nine specific attributes of the sea beast listed above, can be matched to the Catholic Church system. Anyone wanting more info, be glad to oblige.
please say you believe Joseph is the biological father of Jesus! Jn 1:45
Or is it interpretated to mean he is the father of Jesus, but the legal father!
faith does not make you a member of the new covenant body of Christ church
Baptism does
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
You ought to be sad for the general corruption and unholy conduct of those in the highest positions in the Vatican. The information about this has not come from outsiders. It has come from Vatican officials and priests themselves. It shows that there are those within the Vatican who are not part of the corruption, and are extremely concerned about it. So much so, that they invited a group of researchers in, which resulted in a two-hour video going through the reasons why Pope Benedict resigned. It is the Vatican insiders themselves who have given information about illegitimate children, fornication between priests and nuns, homosexual orgies, and financial mismanagement and receiving funds from the Mafia.
Dave Hunt wrote his book A Woman Rides The Beast in which he did a comprehensive review of the RCC, based not on his own thoughts or the opinions of Protestants, but through what RCs themselves said and wrote.
Unfortunately, your faith in your Church is being undermined by the very people you are acknowledging as leaders, who are bringing your Church into disrepute through their unholy conduct.
No one has authority to read or study scripture for himself and form his own doctrine!
Of course modern RCs might want to forget that the "true" church burned alive those who worked to get the Scriptures into the language of the common people in Germany and England. The "true" Church didn't want ordinary people reading the Bible in their own languages because its false doctrines and traditions would be exposed for what they were due to the people comparing RC nonsense with the truth of what is written in the Scriptures. Ordinary people reading the Scriptures in their own languages, without having to learn Latin would have exposed the RCC as a total fraud, and it went to great lengths to make sure that translation into the common language of the people didn't happen. Of course, the RCC didn't reckon on the power of the Holy Spirit Who ensured that the Scriptures did get to the common people, because, as the Scripture says of genuine believers, "No weapon formed against you shall prosper".
He is the adopted Father of Jesus! Even th eoriginal texts support the King James way of saying it in Luke 3:
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
If one has an understanding of jewish culture, the matter becomes very clear.
Correct- but it is not water baptism but spirit baptism that makes us part of the body and that happens because of faith.
Tell that to all the denominations.
that’s why they exist!
Not denominations but sects
The unity of faith and the unity of the spirit is found in only one body
The one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles
I've exposed you MANY time in our discussions regarding your asinine claims about the Catholic Church.1) You have not "exposed" me as a false teacher or preacher; and,
2) When have I ever lied on these forums? (I know I am opening up a can of worms here; but I think that your accusation of me as a liar is unfounded in anything that I may have said). Please note that I define lying here as a deliberate telling of a falsehood.
Oh.....You follow the teachings of the man Dave Hunt.....Now I see where your confusion comes in.You ought to be sad for the general corruption and unholy conduct of those in the highest positions in the Vatican. The information about this has not come from outsiders. It has come from Vatican officials and priests themselves. It shows that there are those within the Vatican who are not part of the corruption, and are extremely concerned about it. So much so, that they invited a group of researchers in, which resulted in a two-hour video going through the reasons why Pope Benedict resigned. It is the Vatican insiders themselves who have given information about illegitimate children, fornication between priests and nuns, homosexual orgies, and financial mismanagement and receiving funds from the Mafia.
Dave Hunt wrote his book A Woman Rides The Beast in which he did a comprehensive review of the RCC, based not on his own thoughts or the opinions of Protestants, but through what RCs themselves said and wrote.
Unfortunately, your faith in your Church is being undermined by the very people you are acknowledging as leaders, who are bringing your Church into disrepute through their unholy conduct.
I've exposed you MANY time in our discussions regarding your asinine claims about the Catholic Church.
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If we get rid of all denominations and just exist on earth as the born again body of Christ, then we'll be quite similar to what it's going to be like in Heaven, as there are NO DENOMINATIONS in Heaven.
jn 1:45 does not say anything but father
And it does not say adopted father
He is the father of Jesus but according to the law
Lk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
I dint see any Spirit baptism?
Only Christian baptism eph 4:5
Water: matter an outward sign
Words: form
The spirit and grace: the inward action removing all sin and disposing the soul to receive the gifts of the spirit and faith, hope, and charity
So are you saying Joseph is Jesus biological father?