What Is Marriage?

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Well Barney it is a Mexican stand off. There is no evidence that they had sex, nor is there evidence that they did n't have sex. IOW there is no evidence either way- just speculation. If it was important for us to know God would have written it down. To draw absolute conclusions is foolishenss on anyones part when God opted to not divulge that info.

It's foolishness on anyone's part to condone sex before marriage. But I don't expect the majority of people to believe that.

 

[Tone]

Maybe marriage is a place...

Some seam... between art and science...

...just hovering...

 

[Tone]

I think a man can be married without a woman being involved...and vice versa.

And I don't mean to the same sex either...or any other weird thing...

I mean...to whatever it is that bears fruit unto the True Life.

*Or maybe at that point...the person is no longer a Man or a Woman, but something new...

 

[Grailhunter]

No it's sexual immorality. When discussing immoral sexual practices, the Bible mentions not only fornication but also sexual “uncleanness” and “loose conduct.” (2 Corinthians 12:21) Clearly, there are various forms of sexual intimacy that are offensive to God when performed outside marriage, even when there is no intercourse.

The overall message of the Bible regarding sex is that sexual intimacies are restricted to a man and a woman who are married to each other. The Bible also disapproves of “covetous sexual appetite.” (1 Thessalonians 4:5) What does that mean? Consider an example that could apply equally to a man or a woman: A woman might be determined not to have intercourse with her boyfriend. Still, she engages in other forms of sexual intimacy with him. By doing so, they are coveting or lusting after something that does not belong to them. Hence, they are guilty of “covetous sexual appetite.” Such sexual greed is condemned in the Bible.Ephesians 5:3-5.

Kids ‘hook up’ just to see how far they can go with each other and to see how many people they can have sex with.”
Boys speak openly about it. They brag about how they have a girlfriend but still have sex with many other girls.

MANY youths today boast of having casual sex with no emotional strings attached. Some even have acquaintances to whom they can turn for sex without the “complications” of a romance.

I will try to explain...not that it will help LOL

You can have a wedding...a famous preacher presides....2000 guests.... religious.... beautiful.... expensive.... great...if you never have sexual relations...you are never married. A wedding cannot marry you.

If two people get together and have sex....and they stay together....they are married....This was the way of the Old Testament...billions of marriages formed this way. No weddings in the Old Testament.

For the first thousand years or so after Christ...this is how Christians got married. You say you believe what you read in the Bible? There is no requirement for a Wedding in the Bible...

Definition of fornication....probably one of the most misunderstood words in the Bible. Even reference sources get it wrong. In its broadest meaning, it means sexual misconduct....But it does not mean consensual sex between two people that are not married....you have to change a few words to make it accurate. Fornication is consensual sex between two unmarried people that do not remain together.....There is also a Pagan ritual aspect to fornication and that is why it was one of the four items listed at the First Ecumenical Council in Jerusalem, forbidding Christians from committing fornication.

Weddings are social / religious customs...
The union forms the marriage.
They will become one...What God has "put together" let no one put asunder. Bingo!

Casual sex is a sin against God and themselves....and sometimes they reap the rewards. This is fornication.

I understand that people are concerned that some will get together and eventually not remain together. Sexual impropriety and failed relationships. First off, my best advice is to worry about your own crotch! Secondly the idea that a religious ceremony can lock two people together...if they do not want to remain together, has been proven wrong, and smacks of Paganism.

What keeps two people together is love, as it should be. Two people that are not in love should not be together...that is how you get those 5 O' clock news reports. LOL Women should not be made to feel that they must remain with a man even though the man beats them and the kids or molests her and or the kids.

 

[Tone]

Marriage was in the garden...or was it the place itself?

And where are we headed...to a renewed Garden...?


To a City.

So, is this marriage thing we humans do yet another shadow...?


*...a sacrament...

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

I will try to explain...not that it will help LOL

You can have a wedding...a famous preacher presides....2000 guests.... religious.... beautiful.... expensive.... great...if you never have sexual relations...you are never married. A wedding cannot marry you.

If two people get together and have sex....and they stay together....they are married....This was the way of the Old Testament...billions of marriages formed this way. No weddings in the Old Testament.

For the first thousand years or so after Christ...this is how Christians got married. You say you believe what you read in the Bible? There is no requirement for a Wedding in the Bible...

Definition of fornication....probably one of the most misunderstood words in the Bible. Even reference sources get it wrong. In its broadest meaning, it means sexual misconduct....But it does not mean consensual sex between two people that are not married....you have to change a few words to make it accurate. Fornication is consensual sex between two unmarried people that do not remain together.....There is also a Pagan ritual aspect to fornication and that is why it was one of the four items listed at the First Ecumenical Council in Jerusalem, forbidding Christians from committing fornication.

Weddings are social / religious customs...
The union forms the marriage.
They will become one...What God has "put together" let no one put asunder. Bingo!

Casual sex is a sin against God and themselves....and sometimes they reap the rewards. This is fornication.

I understand that people are concerned that some will get together and eventually not remain together. Sexual impropriety and failed relationships. First off, my best advice is to worry about your own crotch! Secondly the idea that a religious ceremony can lock two people together...if they do not want to remain together, has been proven wrong, and smacks of Paganism.

What keeps two people together is love, as it should be. Two people that are not in love should not be together...that is how you get those 5 O' clock news reports. LOL Women should not be made to feel that they must remain with a man even though the man beats them and the kids or molests her and or the kids.

I'm not going to agree with sexual immorality because you want to excuse sexual immorality. People are so greedy for sex in this wicked world. Everything is about sex and you think God condones that.

 

[kcnalp]

Everything is about sex and you think God condones that.

Not everything. Wicked JW's deny that Jesus is God and that Hell fire is eternal.

 

[Grailhunter]

I'm not going to agree with sexual immorality because you want to excuse sexual immorality. People are so greedy for sex in this wicked world. Everything is about sex and you think God condones that.

It has nothing to do with sexual immorality. If you got issues with the Bible we can discuss it.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Not everything. Wicked JW's deny that Jesus is God and that Hell fire is eternal.

Why don't you stay on topic

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It's foolishness on anyone's part to condone sex before marriage. But I don't expect the majority of people to believe that.

I don’t mean to be vulgar but seeing it is a reality and a vice ...I’m assuming there is no watching of porn or no looking at pornographic images ...nor there ever was before or outside of marriage?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

how did Eve conceive and bring forth children out from her body before without the travail of labour pangs signaling birth was near?

She didn't! She did not have any children before the fall! There is simply no evidence that she did! If she had- they would have been born perfect through innocence. there is huge spiritual questions posed if she had any children before the fall!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It's foolishness on anyone's part to condone sex before marriage. But I don't expect the majority of people to believe that.

what does this have to do with what we are talking about??????????????????????????????????????

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I’m probably really going to mess this up but consider

1 Corinthians 7:29 Lexicon: But this I say, brethren, the time has been shortened, so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none;

1 Corinthians 7:29-35 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: (the time is shortened) (Matthew 24:22, Mark 13:20, proverbs 10:27) it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;

maybe this one verse is taken out to mean something it doesn’t. “it remains, that both they that have wives be as though they had none.” He goes on in the following verses to speak of how the fashion of this world passes away...what fashion is spoken of at least once? Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, (awake unto righteousness) they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Which leads back to “fashioned like unto His glorious body” where there is neither bond nor free, neither Greek nor Jew, neither male nor female.

[30] And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; [31] And they that use this world, as not abusing it : for the fashion of this world passeth away.

[32] But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: [33] But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

divided...yet God says to not be double minded, is Christ divided?
1 Corinthians 7:34 Lexicon: and his interests are divided. The woman who is unmarried, and the virgin, is concerned about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how she may please her husband.
Mark 4:19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.


34] There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord,(Philippians 2:21, John 7:18) that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. [35] And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.

The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord,(Philippians 2:21, John 7:18)...which led my asking exactly what belongs to the Lord?

-vengeance belongs to the Lord. (I will repay.)
-the secret things belongs to the Lord. (Ecclesiastes 12:14, 1 Corinthians 4:5)
-Salvation belongs to the Lord.
-O Lord, righteousness belongs to thee.
-Also unto thee, O Lord, belongs mercy for thou will render to every man according to his work. Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.


Any idea what woman is meant in “it is better to not touch a woman”?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

She didn't! She did not have any children before the fall! There is simply no evidence that she did! If she had- they would have been born perfect through innocence. there is huge spiritual questions posed if she had any children before the fall!

I don’t know. Except all Light shines in the face of Jesus Christ. It all declares and points to God. John 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

 

[Behold]

Any idea what woman is meant in “it is better to not touch a woman”?

The context is....

"you are going to have tribulation in this world", if you are single and not married.
But if you get married = "touch a woman", you are going to have even more trouble, as now you have a family which is going to be a much much much more difficult situation then just be single, in this world.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The context is....

"you are going to have tribulation in this world", if you are single and not married.
But if you get married = "touch a woman", you are going to have even more trouble, as now you have a family which is going to be a much much much more difficult situation then just be single, in this world.

Romans 7:1-4 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? [2] For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The context is....

"you are going to have tribulation in this world", if you are single and not married.
But if you get married = "touch a woman", you are going to have even more trouble, as now you have a family which is going to be a much much much more difficult situation then just be single, in this world.

Luke 7:39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

Luke 8:45-48 And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me? [46] And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me. [47] And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately. [48] And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The context is....

"you are going to have tribulation in this world", if you are single and not married.
But if you get married = "touch a woman", you are going to have even more trouble, as now you have a family which is going to be a much much much more difficult situation then just be single, in this world.

honestly (Imo) it is implying something not there. Respectfully what follows after is the blame game and that which puffs up ideas and feeds pride (divides)that: it is having a woman and children that causes a man to have the cares of the world and tribulations and not his own lust, greed, sin and pursuing of the things of the world. In the world you will have tribulations...is there no hope then of not being married to the world and the cares of it just because you have a coheir of grace?
1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

 

[Behold]

Luke 7:39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

Luke 8:45-48 And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me? [46] And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me. [47] And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately. [48] And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.

Nice verses, but they are not related to the context of Marriage.
As in both cases your verses are talking about JESUS, who was not married and was not going to get married.
Whereas in Paul verses, Jesus is back in heaven, and he's talking to other believers.

Can you see it?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

As in both cases your verses are talking about JESUS, who was not married and was not going to get married.

really?
Revelation 19:7-9 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. [9] And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

She touched Him.

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