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honestly (Imo) it is implying something not there. Respectfully what follows after is the blame game and that which puffs up ideas and feeds pride (divides)that: it is having a woman and children that causes a man to have the cares of the world and tribulations and not his own lust, greed, sin and pursuing of the things of the world. In the world you will have tribulations...is there no hope then of not being married to the world and the cares of it just because you have a coheir of grace?
1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

Let me try again.

Here.. Paul again.... """"But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Nevertheless such will have TROUBLE in the flesh, but I would spare you."""

Now, see that "i would spare you"? That is Paul explaining that if possible he would keep you from getting married, because...

"you will have Trouble in the flesh".. and that Trouble is related to having MORE TROUBLE, then you'd have, if you stayed single.

But, you have this..."it is better to be married then to BURN">.

THis means, that even tho its taking on more trouble in life to be married.........that trouble is better then to not be married and be eaten up by LUST to FORNICATE"..

= "to burn".
 

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Revelation 19:7-9 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. [9] And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Marriage in Life to a woman, is not the same as being married to The Christ by being born again into God's Spirit.

Can you not separate the spiritual context from the non-spiritual?

They are not the same.
 

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Let me try again.

Here.. Paul again.... """"But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Nevertheless such will have TROUBLE in the flesh, but I would spare you."""

Now, see that "i would spare you"? That is Paul explaining that if possible he would keep you from getting married, because...

"you will have Trouble in the flesh".. and that Trouble is related to having MORE TROUBLE, then you'd have, if you stayed single.

But, you have this..."it is better to be married then to BURN">.

THis means, that even tho its taking on more trouble in life to be married.........that trouble is better then to not be married and be eaten up by LUST to FORNICATE"..

= "to burn".

define “to burn” or “like passions”?
Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
 

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Marriage in Life to a woman, is not the same as being married to The Christ by being born again into God's Spirit.

Can you not separate the spiritual context from the non-spiritual?

They are not the same.

Are you married?
 

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Marriage in Life to a woman, is not the same as being married to The Christ by being born again into God's Spirit.

Can you not separate the spiritual context from the non-spiritual?

They are not the same.

yes. I’ve heard all the jokes of how Paul didn’t have a wife to contend with or worry over and had it easier because of it. 2 Corinthians 11:23-29 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. [24] Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. [25] Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; [26] In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; [27] In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. [28] Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. [29] Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?
 

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Nevertheless such will have TROUBLE in the flesh, but I would spare you."""

exactly “in the flesh” where there IS Jew and there is Greek, where there IS bond and there is free, where there IS male and there is female.

1 Peter 4:2-6 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. [3] For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: [4] Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you : [5] Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. [6] For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

 

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I’m probably really going to mess this up but consider

1 Corinthians 7:29 Lexicon: But this I say, brethren, the time has been shortened, so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none;

1 Corinthians 7:29-35 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: (the time is shortened) (Matthew 24:22, Mark 13:20, proverbs 10:27) it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;

maybe this one verse is taken out to mean something it doesn’t. “it remains, that both they that have wives be as though they had none.” He goes on in the following verses to speak of how the fashion of this world passes away...what fashion is spoken of at least once? Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, (awake unto righteousness) they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Which leads back to “fashioned like unto His glorious body” where there is neither bond nor free, neither Greek nor Jew, neither male nor female.

[30] And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; [31] And they that use this world, as not abusing it : for the fashion of this world passeth away.

[32] But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: [33] But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

divided...yet God says to not be double minded, is Christ divided?
1 Corinthians 7:34 Lexicon: and his interests are divided. The woman who is unmarried, and the virgin, is concerned about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how she may please her husband.
Mark 4:19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.


34] There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord,(Philippians 2:21, John 7:18) that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. [35] And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.

The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord,(Philippians 2:21, John 7:18)...which led my asking exactly what belongs to the Lord?

-vengeance belongs to the Lord. (I will repay.)
-the secret things belongs to the Lord. (Ecclesiastes 12:14, 1 Corinthians 4:5)
-Salvation belongs to the Lord.
-O Lord, righteousness belongs to thee.
-Also unto thee, O Lord, belongs mercy for thou will render to every man according to his work. Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.


Any idea what woman is meant in “it is better to not touch a woman”?

Ok Victory, I am going to point out again...the whole “it is better to not touch a woman” thing was a statement / question from the Church of Corinth and Paul responded to it. The letters of Paul are one sided conversations that are easy to get misunderstood.
 

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Ok Victory, I am going to point out again...the whole “it is better to not touch a woman” thing was a statement / question from the Church of Corinth and Paul responded to it. The letters of Paul are one sided conversations that are easy to get misunderstood.

ok. I’ll go back later and read it again when there is time. Will read it Closer. Thanks. Any input on
Leviticus 19:20 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.


Galatians 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
 
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Romans 7:1-4 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? [2] For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Roman 7:1-4
In these verses Paul even says he is speaking to them that know the Law. And the word law occurs a few times during this discussion. Then he goes into the explanation that they are not of the law..dead to the law. This whole topic gets skewed in Christianity, whether it is weddings or divorce. When Christ (a Jew) was talking to the Jews about Judaism as in divorce. Most of that conversation does not apply to Christianity. The word divorce does not appear outside of the Gospels because the Christians did not have a process for divorce...the Jews had a letter of divorce....the Christians did not. Same goes for weddings...there is no requirement for a wedding stated anywhere in the OT or NT. Culture...traditions...have a tendency to teach things that are not biblical.

On the other side of the coin Paul does discuss those that do not stay together. But he does not use the word divorce or adultery for those that do not stay together. He recommends reconciliation, which is good advise. If you notice in Romans 7:1-4 the whole adultery thing is only pointed at the woman...adultery within the concepts of the Mosaic Law was a property crime because women were considered the property of her husband.

On the other hand, the importance of marriage and the importance of keeping a marriage intact is a worthwhile discussion.
 

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ok. I’ll go back later and read it again when there is time. Will read it Closer. Thanks. Any input on
Leviticus 19:20 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.


Galatians 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Don't feel bad...you are in good company with all those that misunderstood this. If Christianity would have adopted that belief, we would not be discussing this now. LOL
 

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I don’t know. Except all Light shines in the face of Jesus Christ. It all declares and points to God. John 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

Well teh bible gives no names for any children that might or may or could have been born before the fall! I trust Gods Word.
 

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I don’t mean to be vulgar but seeing it is a reality and a vice ...I’m assuming there is no watching of porn or no looking at pornographic images ...nor there ever was before or outside of marriage?

Do you really think that the scriptures moral standards allowed for the watching of porn.
 

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Today's moral "climate" allows any and everything regarding sex, male with male, female with female, bestiality, and in fact, it is the same as described at Leviticus 18 concerning what the nations did sexually, with Moses detailing the immorality that was so commonplace in the land of Canaan, and of which Moses told the nation of Israel: "Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, for it is by all these things that the nations that I am driving out from before you have made themselves unclean. Therefore, the land is unclean, and I will bring punishment on it for its error, and the land will vomit its inhabitants out."(Lev 18:24, 25; Note: God's personal name is Jehovah, Ps 83:18; Isa 26:4)

Then Jehovah told Moses, saying: "Speak to the entire assembly of the Israelites and tell them, ‘You should be holy, because I, Jehovah your God, am holy."(Lev 19:2) When God created Adam and Eve some 6,000 years ago, he established the marital arrangement, that of one man as a husband with one woman as his wife, she being "a helper for him, as a complement of him."(Gen 2:18)

And in making this arrangement for both companionship and procreation, he also established that sexual relations was to be only between husband and wife, and not prior to their formal commitment of a holy union in the eyes of Jehovah God, for the woman is derived from the man as a husband's helper and complement when they are married.(Gen 2:21, 22; 3:20)

In order to be holy in Jehovah's eyes, a person had to maintain moral cleanness, and when looking at the original standard of marriage established in the garden of Eden, it is not difficult to see what he is pleased with and what he hates.(see Rom 1:26, 27, 32)

But since the rebellion in the garden of Eden, mankind has deviated sexually, such as seven generations down from Adam, a man named Lamech taking two wives for himself, instead of having only one as originally designed by Jehovah God.(Gen 4:19)

Sexual relations outside of the marriage defiles it, for it is no different than having sexual relations with a prostitute, to whom a person is not married. The apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians Christians, who once felt that sex with any and everyone was okay: "Do you not know that anyone who is joined to a prostitute is one body (or "one flesh") with her ? For “the two,” says he, “will be one flesh.”(1 Cor 6:16; Note: to "Corinthianize" meant to practice sexual immorality. This sensuality was a product of Corinthian worship, particularly of the goddess Aphrodite (counterpart of the Roman Venus, the Phoenician and Canaanite Astarte, and the Babylonian Ishtar)

So, in having sexual relations before the formal arrangement of marriage corrupts it, being the same as having sex with a prostitute, for only when a man and woman are married are they "one flesh" and not before.(Gen 2:24) At Hebrews 13, Paul again expresses this: "Let marriage be honorable among all, and let the marriage bed be without defilement (or abstaining from pre-marital sex), for God will judge sexually immoral people and adulterers."(Heb 13:4)

Marriage is a binding covenant or contract before Jehovah God, and any altering of it, as in pre-marital sex, pollutes both partners. At 1 Thessalonians 4, Paul writes: "Finally, brothers, just as you received instruction from us on how you should walk in order to please God, just as you are in fact walking, we request you and appeal to you by the Lord Jesus to keep doing it more fully.......For this is the will of God, that you should be holy and abstain from sexual immorality (such as pre-marital sex). Each one of you should know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not with greedy, uncontrolled sexual passion like the nations have that do not know God. No one should go beyond proper limits and take advantage of his brother (or a man or woman who they say will marry) in this matter, because Jehovah exacts punishment for all these things, just as we told you previously and also strongly warned you. For God has called us, not for uncleanness, but for holiness. So, then, the man who disregards this is disregarding, not man, but God, who gives you his holy spirit."(1 Thess 4:3-8)

Thus, Revelation 21 states: To anyone thirsting I will give from the spring of the water of life free. Anyone conquering (or being "holy", morally and spiritually clean) will inherit these things (of living on the paradise earth as a "meek" one, Matt 5:5), and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the (symbolic) lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death (or everlasting destruction).”(Rev 21:6-8)

Hence, just as a person cannot legally drive until they have a driver's license, so likewise, a man or woman cannot have sexual relations until they are legally married.
 

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People keep thinking that it's the act of sex that makes a marriage.

You say you believe what is in the Bible.
Hold your breath until you find anywhere in the Bible where it says says or even suggests a wedding.
You know what is going to happen? make sure you do it on carpet.
 
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People keep thinking that it's the act of sex that makes a marriage.

According ot the bible it is the act of sex that causes a marriage to be made official or culminated. The ceremony only authorizes a couple to get married. Intercourse is the act that makes the two one flesh.
 

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Today's moral "climate" allows any and everything regarding sex, male with male, female with female, bestiality, and in fact, it is the same as described at Leviticus 18 concerning what the nations did sexually, with Moses detailing the immorality that was so commonplace in the land of Canaan, and of which Moses told the nation of Israel: "Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, for it is by all these things that the nations that I am driving out from before you have made themselves unclean. Therefore, the land is unclean, and I will bring punishment on it for its error, and the land will vomit its inhabitants out."(Lev 18:24, 25; Note: God's personal name is Jehovah, Ps 83:18; Isa 26:4)

Then Jehovah told Moses, saying: "Speak to the entire assembly of the Israelites and tell them, ‘You should be holy, because I, Jehovah your God, am holy."(Lev 19:2) When God created Adam and Eve some 6,000 years ago, he established the marital arrangement, that of one man as a husband with one woman as his wife, she being "a helper for him, as a complement of him."(Gen 2:18)

And in making this arrangement for both companionship and procreation, he also established that sexual relations was to be only between husband and wife, and not prior to their formal commitment of a holy union in the eyes of Jehovah God, for the woman is derived from the man as a husband's helper and complement when they are married.(Gen 2:21, 22; 3:20)

In order to be holy in Jehovah's eyes, a person had to maintain moral cleanness, and when looking at the original standard of marriage established in the garden of Eden, it is not difficult to see what he is pleased with and what he hates.(see Rom 1:26, 27, 32)

But since the rebellion in the garden of Eden, mankind has deviated sexually, such as seven generations down from Adam, a man named Lamech taking two wives for himself, instead of having only one as originally designed by Jehovah God.(Gen 4:19)

Sexual relations outside of the marriage defiles it, for it is no different than having sexual relations with a prostitute, to whom a person is not married. The apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians Christians, who once felt that sex with any and everyone was okay: "Do you not know that anyone who is joined to a prostitute is one body (or "one flesh") with her ? For “the two,” says he, “will be one flesh.”(1 Cor 6:16; Note: to "Corinthianize" meant to practice sexual immorality. This sensuality was a product of Corinthian worship, particularly of the goddess Aphrodite (counterpart of the Roman Venus, the Phoenician and Canaanite Astarte, and the Babylonian Ishtar)

So, in having sexual relations before the formal arrangement of marriage corrupts it, being the same as having sex with a prostitute, for only when a man and woman are married are they "one flesh" and not before.(Gen 2:24) At Hebrews 13, Paul again expresses this: "Let marriage be honorable among all, and let the marriage bed be without defilement (or abstaining from pre-marital sex), for God will judge sexually immoral people and adulterers."(Heb 13:4)

Marriage is a binding covenant or contract before Jehovah God, and any altering of it, as in pre-marital sex, pollutes both partners. At 1 Thessalonians 4, Paul writes: "Finally, brothers, just as you received instruction from us on how you should walk in order to please God, just as you are in fact walking, we request you and appeal to you by the Lord Jesus to keep doing it more fully.......For this is the will of God, that you should be holy and abstain from sexual immorality (such as pre-marital sex). Each one of you should know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not with greedy, uncontrolled sexual passion like the nations have that do not know God. No one should go beyond proper limits and take advantage of his brother (or a man or woman who they say will marry) in this matter, because Jehovah exacts punishment for all these things, just as we told you previously and also strongly warned you. For God has called us, not for uncleanness, but for holiness. So, then, the man who disregards this is disregarding, not man, but God, who gives you his holy spirit."(1 Thess 4:3-8)

Thus, Revelation 21 states: To anyone thirsting I will give from the spring of the water of life free. Anyone conquering (or being "holy", morally and spiritually clean) will inherit these things (of living on the paradise earth as a "meek" one, Matt 5:5), and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the (symbolic) lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death (or everlasting destruction).”(Rev 21:6-8)

Hence, just as a person cannot legally drive until they have a driver's license, so likewise, a man or woman cannot have sexual relations until they are legally married.

So, in having sexual relations before the formal arrangement of marriage corrupts it, being the same as having sex with a prostitute,

Fantasy religions must be fun! And you know...freedom of religion...? Right? But why bother reading the Bible if you are going to make stuff up as you go along. At least look it up in the Bible! Find a scripture that says not to have sex before a wedding or a "formal arrangement"

In the Old Testament things were a little gruff. Men "took" wives. There was no such thing as "dating" Christianity was mostly still arranged marriages. The union consummated the marriage. If no one had sex before the wedding, then there would have been no marriages....OT and NT. Because there were no requirement for weddings in the biblical era.

Don't get me wrong....You think anything goes now....They lived in an era of everything goes, beyond your wildest imagination. Living around the Romans was kinda like that. The Jews and Christians had their own erro-synchronies but they were opposed to open sex....everywhere.

Jewish women were property and not allowed to go anywhere alone...women going to the well in groups.
Christian women were not much different.

Your concept that sex corrupts is sad. Christianity does not promote casual sex. But you cannot get married without it...funny as it is, that is still true today. The wedding is traditional...it does not marry you...if you do not join after a wedding....in most states and countries, you can get the marriage annulled.

There is very few people on this forum that is going to support casual sex. But sex is not dirty, nasty, and sinful. Sexual relationships are about respect...respect for yourself and respect for the other person. People think that sex is dangerous today...try living in a time period without antibiotics or other medicines. Two people that are in love should make the decision to stay together before they make love.

People and religion would like to have a guarantee or religious shackles....but the fact is there are no guarantees and people resent shackles. If we spent more time focusing on the love that binds instead of processes and paperwork...maybe marriages would have a higher rate of success.
 
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You say you believe what is in the Bible.
Hold your breath until you find anywhere in the Bible where it says says or even suggests a wedding.
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I don't worry about those who don't believe the scriptures and show that either they don't know the scriptures or just outright lie about them. The scriptures don't show that it was having sex that made Adam and Eve man and wife. The scriptures simply show that after God made the woman from Adam rib and brought him to Adam they were man and wife. The scriptures show nothing about sex involved at the time God brought the woman to Adam.
 

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According ot the bible it is the act of sex that causes a marriage to be made official or culminated. The ceremony only authorizes a couple to get married. Intercourse is the act that makes the two one flesh.

If simply an act of sex makes people married then how can all these people who are single and having sex with each other not be married to each other in the eyes of God.
 

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I don't worry about those who don't believe the scriptures and show that either they don't know the scriptures or just outright lie about them. The scriptures don't show that it was having sex that made Adam and Eve man and wife. The scriptures simply show that after God made the woman from Adam rib and brought him to Adam they were man and wife. The scriptures show nothing about sex involved at the time God brought the woman to Adam.

I don't worry about those who don't believe the scriptures and show that either they don't know the scriptures or just outright lie about them.
LOL You do not believe the scriptures? All you have to do is read. I do not think you lie...I just do not think you read.

The scriptures don't show that it was having sex that made Adam and Eve man and wife.
What do you think made them man and wife? Did God say, I pronounce you man and wife? So you do not think that the scriptures describe a union**** For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall become one flesh....maybe if God sent it to you in smoke signals? And then how about...And God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Do you think the scriptures say that they had a wedding in the Garden?

So what do you think??? Ahhh? So they are told to be fruitful and multiply by God...Did they say to God...Sorry we have better things to do right now. I have already said, we do not know if they had sex in Eden or not. But considering the command that they received straight from God....I do not see why not. Did God say when you get a round tuit, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. And they were all out of round tuits. Did God say to wait? Did God say, after you eat of the fruit and are kicked out of Eden...then be fruitful and multiply. Or did God say...be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, but not here! For heaven's sake do not do something as dirty, nasty, and sinful as sex here! We will all have to move out!

So then what do you think...After they left the Garden, when the Bible says that Adam knew his wife....do you think he was studying her?
 
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