Tong:
Yes love is of the spirit, meaning spiritual. It pertains not and belongs not to the physical or material realm. It is a quality therefore that is of the spirit or something that is spiritual and of spiritual nature. Love coming from God has inherent power. Like love, faith is of the spirit ~ spiritual. It is not work. It pertains not and belongs not to the physical or material realm. It is a quality therefore that is of the spirit or something that is spiritual and of spiritual nature. Faith coming from God has inherent power. It is not work.
Well, I beg to differ with your definition of “justify” and so then with atonement and the purpose of atonement.
God is indeed spirit and love, but that does not make Him unable to reveal Himself in the flesh, as a physical man. If so, then both spirit and love are expressed in physical terms.
Tong:
Scriptures gives us a better picture of man and his heart, before the law. You can start with Gen.6. God himself said of man that every intents of the thoughts of the heart of man was continually evil, even from childhood. If there be any man that was not as God said there of man and was said to be righteous, I believe it could only be because of God’s grace and help.
This passage was speaking of a particular period of time, in which the world was despicably wicked and about to be judged by the Flood. It is wrong to characterize all of mankind, every nation, and every person who is not a Christian as being as wicked as those people were before the Flood!
Tong:
Gal.3:22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. (NIV)
As to whether man, before the law, were out of control or not, We can go read Gen.6 and Romans 1.
Gal 3.22 has to do with Man's inability to get free of the curse of the Law until Christ had provided atonement for all of mankind. Mankind was locked up under the curse of death, from which there is no other escape than through the atonement of Christ, which had to take place in time. It was only *after* he died on the cross that mankind had the atonement they needed to put their faith in so that they can escape death.
Tong:
Well, that’s it with you then, and not for me. Atonement is not God’s way of forgiving our sin, but holding His wrath upon our wickedness and unrighteousness. God’s forgiving sins is coming from His love, mercy, and grace whom He gives according to His will, purpose, and pleasure. And in these last days, we learned all that and better understand it, when He demonstrated it concerning Jesus Christ.
To say atonement has nothing to do with forgiving sin flies in the face of Scriptures.
Exo 29.36 Sacrifice a bull each day as a sin offering to make atonement.
Tong:
It is not faith that justifies. It is God.
The Scriptures say, "the just shall live by faith." It is faith that renders a man righteous because it is by faith in God's word that a man embraces that word as something to be obeyed.
James 2.20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
Yes love is of the spirit, meaning spiritual. It pertains not and belongs not to the physical or material realm. It is a quality therefore that is of the spirit or something that is spiritual and of spiritual nature. Love coming from God has inherent power. Like love, faith is of the spirit ~ spiritual. It is not work. It pertains not and belongs not to the physical or material realm. It is a quality therefore that is of the spirit or something that is spiritual and of spiritual nature. Faith coming from God has inherent power. It is not work.
Well, I beg to differ with your definition of “justify” and so then with atonement and the purpose of atonement.
God is indeed spirit and love, but that does not make Him unable to reveal Himself in the flesh, as a physical man. If so, then both spirit and love are expressed in physical terms.
Tong:
Scriptures gives us a better picture of man and his heart, before the law. You can start with Gen.6. God himself said of man that every intents of the thoughts of the heart of man was continually evil, even from childhood. If there be any man that was not as God said there of man and was said to be righteous, I believe it could only be because of God’s grace and help.
This passage was speaking of a particular period of time, in which the world was despicably wicked and about to be judged by the Flood. It is wrong to characterize all of mankind, every nation, and every person who is not a Christian as being as wicked as those people were before the Flood!
Tong:
Gal.3:22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. (NIV)
As to whether man, before the law, were out of control or not, We can go read Gen.6 and Romans 1.
Gal 3.22 has to do with Man's inability to get free of the curse of the Law until Christ had provided atonement for all of mankind. Mankind was locked up under the curse of death, from which there is no other escape than through the atonement of Christ, which had to take place in time. It was only *after* he died on the cross that mankind had the atonement they needed to put their faith in so that they can escape death.
Tong:
Well, that’s it with you then, and not for me. Atonement is not God’s way of forgiving our sin, but holding His wrath upon our wickedness and unrighteousness. God’s forgiving sins is coming from His love, mercy, and grace whom He gives according to His will, purpose, and pleasure. And in these last days, we learned all that and better understand it, when He demonstrated it concerning Jesus Christ.
To say atonement has nothing to do with forgiving sin flies in the face of Scriptures.
Exo 29.36 Sacrifice a bull each day as a sin offering to make atonement.
Tong:
It is not faith that justifies. It is God.
The Scriptures say, "the just shall live by faith." It is faith that renders a man righteous because it is by faith in God's word that a man embraces that word as something to be obeyed.
James 2.20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.