No authority!

[theefaith]

Oh well......



Correct. We remember HIm and what He did, not pretend to recreate it with the p[erpetual sacrifice of teh mass.



Pulling a text out of its context makes it a pretext:

Malachi 1
King James Version

1 The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.

That verse applies to Israel and not some pretend perpetual sacrifice of the mass,

do this offer the sacrifice not just a memorial meal

now we say one way you say the other
Who decides?
That’s why Christ founded a church to teach the truth

 

[Taken]

Mary is blessed among women...

And ??? Why are men making statues, drooling kisses on a Stature and bowing before statues???

Weird!

Every woman that is blessed with a pregnancy and delivery...identifies with Mary's pregnancy and delivery Blessing.
"It's exclusively a Woman's Experience, a Blessing Among Women"...

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think you forgot what you were arguing for, lol:

Yes, you keep "lol"-ing - but you couldn't refute what I said about the fact that. . .

Jesus didn't give the crowds the ability OR the Authoirity to confect the Eucharist.
That was reserved for the Leaders of His Church (Matt. 26:26–28, Luke 22:19–20, Mark 14:22–24, 1 Cor. 11:23–25).

Jesus didn't give the crowds the ability OR the Authoirity to forgive sins or hold them bound.
That was reserved for the Leaders of His Church (John 20:21-23).

God didn't give the crowds the ability OR the Authoirity to pray over the sick and anoint them so that their sins would be forgiven.
That was reserved for the Leaders of His Church (James 5:14-15).

If you have a problem with the Clergy/Laity distinction that God ordained - then complain to GOD. not me.

 

[theefaith]

And nothing about teh big to do about Mary the RCC does was handed down by Jesus or the Apostles!

Yes it does Christ and his church are one
The church teaches what Christ taught

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 acts 9 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jesus Christ does not abandon His holy bride! Matt 28:19-20 with His church (apostles) till the end!

 

[BreadOfLife]

You, too, seem to have lost sight of the argument:
These things are not the sole purview of the Catholic hierarchy. You do not need the leadership of the Catholic church to accomplish any of these things.

Sure you do.

YOU weren't given the power to forgive or retain sins.
YOU weren't given the power to confect the Eucharist.
YOU weren't given the power to pray over the sick and anoint them so that their sins would be forgiven.

These p[owers were given to the Leaders of Christ's Curch - and NOT the crowds.

 

[theefaith]

And ??? Why are men making statues, drooling kisses on a Stature and bowing before statues???

Weird!

Every woman that is blessed with a pregnancy and delivery...identifies with Mary's pregnancy and delivery Blessing.
"It's exclusively a Woman's Experience, a Blessing Among Women"...

only one gave birth to God!

and Mary is blessed before the miraculous conception of Jesus Lk 1:28

Repeat the scripture please?

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

baptism is not works problem solved

Are you saying baptism is not works in that it does not justify (make one righteous)?

Or are you saying baptism is not a work in that it's not an activity?

The only reason I can think of for saying it's the second choice is to avoid saying the obvious—that water baptism literally makes you righteous. Which goes straight up against what Paul says. So I see why one would have to come up with a way to contradict Paul but give the appearance that they are not. The Catholic church seems to major in this kind of deceit. They've thought of many ways to rationalize believing what the Bible says not to believe and doing what the Bible says not to do, so that in the end they are believing what the Bible says not to believe and doing what the Bible says not to do. It's a very deceitful religious system.

 

[Taken]

That’s why Christ founded a church to teach the truth

And God established writing of His Approved Truth, for men to Read and Verify what any particular Church teaches.

Some Churches Teach "man's Truth" implying, and even stating it's "Gods Truth"...when it isn't.

A Particular Denominational Church Taught Falsehoods, (for centuries) before common access to the printed and mass produced Bible and Increase in literacy.
People becoming literate and bothering read Scripture, found themselves Duped, and left that Denomination.
Others, continue to be Told what to believe...
And never bother Verifying.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors

In thread after thread you insert ‘and their successors’ into the text.

I thank God our salvation does not depend on the RCC. So glad, the ministry of Jesus is not limited to that corrupt institution.

The more the adversary tightens his grip, the more souls slip through his fingers. God through Jesus. Jesus through us, individually.

Stop trying to complicate, and thereby ruin, the Good News.

 

[Wrangler]

The Catholic church seems to major in this kind of deceit. They've thought of many ways to rationalize doing what the Bible says not to do, so that in the end they are doing what the Bible says not to do.

We all see it, who are not indoctrinated with it.

 

[Taken]

only one gave birth to God!

Nope. All human women, birth, "son of men".

Nearly 40 times, Jesus is told to you He is the "Son of man".

and Mary is blessed before the miraculous conception of Jesus Lk 1:28

So?
So "a woman" received a Blessing from God.

Uh John the Baptist received a Blessing from God Before "his natural birth"...

Where's his Umpteen Catholic Statues?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Revelation 13:8
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

This explains a little bit of why you don't seem to have a problem. Why does he have a ring in the first place? Where in the Bible do we see anyone kissing a ring? Did the disciples kiss the ring of Jesus? Did Peter kiss the ring of Christ? Did Cornelius kiss the ring of Peter? Are you so used to what you do that you have forgotten what it means? Do you know the definition of "worship"? What does it mean, "all who dwell on the earth will worship him?"

What did Jesus teach his true apostles? Do you not know that Jesus' true apostles never allow anyone to kiss their ring. Jesus taught his true apostles to wash the feet of those whom they serve. This included Peter. See John 13:5-11. Peter never asked anyone to bow down to him or kiss his ring. Rather, Peter was to wash people's feet as Jesus instructed him.

12 So when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments and reclined at the table again, He said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you? 13 You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am. 14 If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet. 15 For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you. 16 Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. 17 If you know these things, you are blessed if you do them.

Jesus true apostles know that they are NOT in authority over anyone; rather, they are the servant of everyone. Your master demands that you kiss his ring, demonstrating that he is NOT one of Jesus' apostles. He is an antiChrist, a person that distorts the teaching of Jesus in order to maintain a man-made empire.

And this whole asinine post can se summed up by responding to your last comments in RED.
So, did Jesus come to BE served - or to serve (Matt. 20:20)? Did He have Authority over His Church - or was He srtripped of this Authority because He was a servant??

One of the Pope's official titles is "The Servant of the Servants of God".
As I stated before - and which YOU completely ignored - kissiug his ring is NOT a "requirement" or a "demand", but a custom.
It's a sign of love and respect.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Sure you do.

YOU weren't given the power to forgive or retain sins.
YOU weren't given the power to confect the Eucharist.
YOU weren't given the power to pray over the sick and anoint them so that their sins would be forgiven.

These p[owers were given to the Leaders of Christ's Curch - and NOT the crowds.

Any two believers who settle the matter of forgiveness between themselves settles the matter in heaven too.

There are no Biblical directives about who can prepare the Passover elements. It's just another example of the Catholic church creating meaningless liturgy where none is required. The Catholic church majors in this kind of dead, meaningless, 'religious' activity. And they think that's what it means to be reverent and spiritual.

If a particular believer has the gift of healing, and some do, there's no reason to think the person being healed is not also receiving forgiveness of whatever sin is in need of forgiveness.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Gods Authority is Expressly Given, authorized ... forward to men WHO Teach and preach Gods Word...WITHIN the Confines of Gods Word!

God Expressly appointed an "EXAMPLE" Earthly "father"... Expressly Identified as "the Hebrew; that God "renamed" Abraham.

Popes are men, who change their own names, and are Elected by a Group of men called Cardinals, who are appointed by men.

Popes, are Historically, (by Design of Igneous' Vision)...
•Bishops in the Church...Head of the Governing Body of geographically located Churches.
•Bishop in Rome- Head Church- Head Governing Position over all Churches.
•Head Bishop in Rome "entitled Head Bishop" ... Pope.

Review Igneous' Vision for the Church.
Bishops are Earthly "gods".
Cardinals are Earthly "christ's".
Church members are Earthly "disciples" and "subject TO: the Governing Authority" of the Bishops...without the members (subjects) "objections".

A great number of People "subscribe To" and "choose to subject themselves TO"...a man-made "governing power", of a small group of men, who appoint and elect eachother, and then "Rule by Dictation Over Others", without Objection...from the "subjects under their rule".

And there are a great number of People, WHO, choose to "subject themselves" to Gods "governing Power"...
His Government, His Holiness, His Highest Position, His Highest Authority, His Fathership, His Word, His Truth, His Appointed High Priest....

Big difference ...
You want to support bowing Down, kissing "your" holy father, or his possessions ...
That's your Earthly business.

We Bow Down IN Spirit, To our Exclusive Holy Father (who IS Spirit), unseen, IN Heaven, That His Eyes, sees and receives Our Worship of Him exclusively.

Don't be sad...you can read Scripture, and Learn HOW the Lord God Almighty can Be your Holy Father too.

Besides being the usual vat of dishoest manure - your post was the usual long-winded rant.

And WHO the heck is "Igneous" - and what was his "Vision"??

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Yes, you keep "lol"-ing - but you couldn't refute what I said about the fact that. . .

Jesus didn't give the crowds the ability OR the Authoirity to confect the Eucharist.
That was reserved for the Leaders of His Church (Matt. 26:26–28, Luke 22:19–20, Mark 14:22–24, 1 Cor. 11:23–25).

Jesus didn't give the crowds the ability OR the Authoirity to forgive sins or hold them bound.
That was reserved for the Leaders of His Church (John 20:21-23).

God didn't give the crowds the ability OR the Authoirity to pray over the sick and anoint them so that their sins would be forgiven.
That was reserved for the Leaders of His Church (James 5:14-15).

If you have a problem with the Clergy/Laity distinction that God ordained - then complain to GOD. not me.

I did refute you.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Sure you do.

YOU weren't given the power to forgive or retain sins.
YOU weren't given the power to confect the Eucharist.
YOU weren't given the power to pray over the sick and anoint them so that their sins would be forgiven.

These p[owers were given to the Leaders of Christ's Curch - and NOT the crowds.

I see you're upset, but us regular believers have been given these privileges. Don't get angry. Just stay on your side of the fence, please. You're not going to change anybody here.

 

[Taken]

..."Jesus ...His Church"...

Finally, a Truth.

 

[Taken]

Besides being the usual vat of dishoest manure - your post was the usual long-winded rant.

LOL- no wonder you have difficulty with Truth discovery...A Two minute read is too overwhelming for you. LOL

And WHO the heck is "Igneous" - and what was his "Vision"??

Ignatius of Antioch.
His Vision?
Oh my, too long and indepth for you. LOL

 

[CadyandZoe]

Insert 'the Pope' in place of 'Peter' in this passage....

As Peter was about to enter, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet to worship him. But Peter helped him up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.” Acts 10:25-26​

Good catch.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Earthly "Kings"...Ruled "the limits of their kingdom" designated by "land borders".

Any "dictation, orders, communitation", not communated "face to face" with the king, was therefore sent by "writing".

For a person Receiving a message from the "king" To Factually KNOW it WAS from the king (and NOT a forgery)...

The written message was SEALED with hot wax, and "the Kings Seal" was pressed into the hot wax.

The Kings Seal, was historically, emblazoned on a ring, the king could wear, and have secure safe keeping of "His seal" marker.

The EXPRESS "land/kingdom" of the Catholic Church...Is the Vatican City.
The Head Of their Government IS ...
Both...
The Head of their Government.
And
The Head of their Spiritual Beliefs.

He ...pope...is:
THEIR Head ...several titles:
Bishop of Rome, Pontif, Pope, Holy Father, etc.

His Duty is To exalt God and Oversee the teaching of Exalting God to People...

• PROBLEM...big difference between Exalting God and "taking on the Role of God", Ruler, Kingship, Holy Father!!!"

Gods Seal, IS Christ, not some golden ring with an emblazened insignia to be kissed and the wearer of that ring to be exalted, bowed to and with Titles exclusive to God.



We don't. Because kissing the insignia of a man's Seal, is a man's tradition, signifying the one "kissing the ring" IS IN allegiance to the wearer of the ring's "WORD".

Being Sealed, BY Gods Seal, IS a Spiritual Event between One man and the Lord God, signifying that one man "IN" Allegiance with Gods Word.

Understanding is Key. (Many do not understand).

God Bless,
Taken

Thanks for the more complete answer. I like it.