Giving others freedom to think and believe differently
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Does it say that ?
Work out their sins, maybe.
As to Hard labour what is wrong with hard labour I did such for many years in my job, you would not even get pushed that hard in jail doing hard labour. I do not see hard labour as a problem, such as that was a challenge you took on day in day out. if one had no virtue one would not endure such a task. I know of many who just will not entertain such for themselves but will openly bag all who would do what they refuse to do, not to mention they will try and undermine such people to get their kicks out of such, seen it many a time.
My aunty pointed out to me that she did not like some ladies at my brothers birthday as they talked a bit harsh like, but I said them women work hard jobs cleaning what most will refuse to do. yes they speak a bit rough but I take my hat off too them for who they truly are.
I have seen snobs in high society drop people because they seen such a one get their hands dirty, one in England had made an invention to help save the UK in the war. he picked up this thing with his hands off the floor, shock horror ! not to mention the Government took his air-field off him and he had to sue the Government to get it back after the war and if he did not have the money or help with the money to take them on, he was set to lose it. talk about totally stuck up bastards that are around everywhere.
I have seen such with union delegates with all there claims off supporting the worker but clearly at heart they do not strive to such principles themselves openly, when I have worked on their own houses, I seen the lowest of the low in them, from a pig to a slob to an abomination out right openly to everyone, just insane with power.
The god of this world is Satan. most people are oblivious to it all, they are under such great delusions.
Grunt Hemlock
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Our sins are paid for through the free gift of Christ's sacrifice.
To say that we should work off our sins by hard labor makes a mockery of Christ's sacrifice and is most unbiblical.
To say that we should work off our sins by hard labor makes a mockery of Christ's sacrifice and is most unbiblical.
From what I have seen is many who evangelizing are not doing such for Jesus Christ truly at all but are working for their own Church doctrines first and foremost. many are sadly working for their salvation, now they will reject that point, but they are in fact.
It's not Jesus Christ that is abiding in them and they in him, it's there denomination that they work for sadly.
Look it one is to come to my door you better be prepared to sit down and talk about such till the cows come home and if not ? you are only working for your denomination I have found as they are not truly serious about Christ Jesus at all.
Yes it's a free gift, but one has to pick it up.
The Bible say, Work out you Sins with what ?
In this world most who claim anything of Jesus do not know him. One has to be truly born again of the Holy Spirit to know him. other than that one could be under deceptions. I knew "of " him before I was truly born again, such is a big difference you know. I had much faith but not the faith that can move mountains. that means 100% faith in him, no doubts at all what soever.
When the Devil arrives in all his glory most people will fall for him, because they are of this world, he will be a really nice guy ? I have met people like that before, Remember that song A Presley sung You're The Devil in disguise. walk like an angel talk like an angel, but I got wise !
Grunt Hemlock
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What are you trying to quote?
The Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling - not work out your own SINS.
Phl 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Grunt Hemlock
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Giving others freedom to think and believe differently does not mean allowing them to change the words of the Bible without challenging it.
April_Rose
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I find some Protestant beliefs outrageous.but I don't mock them for it. Human beings are diverse creatures and capable of turning any fiction into fact
Yes, it's hard to remove the bias in many people. Maybe even for us, we have to be careful to be open-minded, ...but only up to a point.
It is a pleasure to speak to people with diverging views when, at least, they do acknowledge a good point from the contrarian view. Otherwise, as you implied, it's just an utter waste of time (namely JustByFaith & theefaith).
Well, not aggressively, so to speak, but proactively, ...one must be prepared for contention, even hostility, when engaging in such a controversial issue. So, yes, confrontation will be inevitable at some time or another, more often than not. And this notion causes many to deny the necessity of taking the initiative to proselytize to another, they use the '...I'll set the example..' excuse, in order to not get their hands dirty.
How many people ever came to a salvific understanding, by other people's random good deeds?
Romans 10:14-18
10:14. How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15. How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!" 16. However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" 17. So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. 18. But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD."
Ronald David Bruno
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Lol, sorry, I'm constantly correctly spelling errors due to fat fingers on a small phone keyboard . Dianetics.Was that joke deliberate?
Philip James
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God knows!
And whoever gives only a cup of cold water to one of these little ones to drink because he is a disciple - amen, I say to you, he will surely not lose his reward.
Peace!
That's one way of looking at it.
But I tend to disagree.
I think a lot of people love a fight. It gets their adrenaline going.
So for example the average well read amateur Bible scholar , wants to test out their ability.
They know the Bible inside out. They want to see where they rank. They notice that many others have less knowledge. Maybe they've acquired some Greek and Hebrew in their self study. And the more they fight online, the better they get. So a new fight reinforces their confidence and sharpens their claws. They get better at expressing themselves too.
They think they hold all the aces, they got scripture down pat, so no one can touch them.
In the process, the deeper meaning of scripture , of the gospels is lost. They've lost humility by being debataholics, fightaholics.
Then another person says to themselves " I'm tired of all this fighting. I think I'm losing the true meaning that Jesus was trying to stress.
Fighting doesn't prove anything of value. It's how we treat each other that matters."
Didn't the Catholic Church have authority to put together the KJV? Wasn't it the Catholic scholars who determined what to include and what to leave out of the KJV?
So why is the Catholic bible different than the KJV?
Hi heart to soul
You might need to ask a more informed Catholic that one. Good questions. Thanks
Grunt Hemlock
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