Does it concern you that gospels were written so many years after Jesus died?

[Michiah-Imla]

The word spread, not by writing but by voice

That's my concern. Look at the Chinese whispers game and it's effect. Messages get warped over time.

Only uninspired messages get changed.

But God’s word is faithfully preserved by its faithful followers.

Psalm 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

 

[Wrangler]

That's not an answer

Another rejection criteria established. What WOULD be an answer that you'd accept?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Lived and died.
I think Paul's letters were written before the gospels.
John was written about 70 years after Jesus death?
It bothers me. How can the events described in the gospel be totally accurate.
Are we all just too gullible?

I have always believed that the entire NT was written within one generation of Christ. Most if the books were written prior to the fall of Jerusalem and then the last book, Revelation around 95 AD.

When were the Bible books written?

 

[Wrangler]

You tend to ask esoteric questions of little value.
I have faith. My faith would become something else if shown scientific evidence.

This entire thread is esoteric of little value.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Ah of course. The Hell threat.

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Let me guess: You don’t think Hell is real either?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Responded to Wrong poster. Deleted.

 

[saintiaint]

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Let me guess: You don’t think Hell is real either?

Let me guess, you think you are guaranteed a spot in Heaven.

 

[saintiaint]

The four canonical gospels were probably written between AD 66 and 110.[9][10][11] All four were anonymous (the modern names were added in the 2nd century), almost certainly none were by eyewitnesses, and all are the end-products of long oral and written transmission.[12] Mark was the first to be written, using a variety of sources;[13][14] the authors of Matthew and Luke, acting independently, used Mark for their narrative of Jesus's career, supplementing it with the collection of sayings called the Q document and additional material unique to each;[15] and there is a near-consensus that John had its origins as a "signs" source (or gospel) that circulated within a Johannine community.[16] The contradictions and discrepancies between the first three and John make it impossible to accept both traditions as equally reliable.[17] Modern scholars are cautious of relying on the gospels uncritically, but nevertheless they do provide a good idea of the public career of Jesus, and critical study can attempt to distinguish the original ideas of Jesus from those of the later authors.[18][19]

 

[Michiah-Imla]

you think you are guaranteed a spot in Heaven

If I continue in the faith grounded and settled; yes!

Colossians 1:21-23
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven

 

[saintiaint]

Christian apologists and most lay Christians assume on the basis of 4th century Church teaching that the gospels were written by the Evangelists c. 50-65 AD, but the scholarly consensus is that they are the work of unknown Christians and were composed c. 68-110 AD.

 

[saintiaint]

Written over the course of almost a century after Jesus' death, the four gospels of the New Testament, though they tell the same story, reflect very different ideas and concerns. A period of forty years separates the death of Jesus from the writing of the first gospel.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Modern scholars are cautious of relying on the gospels uncritically, but nevertheless they do provide a good idea of the public career of Jesus, and critical study can attempt to distinguish the original ideas of Jesus from those of the later authors

The above is a fine specimen of what is described here:

2 Peter 2:18
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Written over the course of almost a century after Jesus' death, the four gospels of the New Testament, though they tell the same story, reflect very different ideas and concerns. A period of forty years separates the death of Jesus from the writing of the first gospel.

Greetings again.

You keep making this claim, but as I told you before it is not substantiated, unless you think Wiki is the unquestioned authority on all matters of scripture and religion.

But I was hoping we could have a discussion. I asked you a question in Post #34 that you never answered for me. Please go back and let's discuss the matter. I want to know what you consider the Bible to be: The word of men or the word of God?

Blessings,
Hidden In Him

 

[saintiaint]

The above is a fine specimen of what is described here:

2 Peter 2:18
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

You needed some help do I o

unless you think Wiki is the unquestioned authority on all matters of scripture and religion.

Well, it's a fresh change from the Bible.
Only referencing one book is gonna lead to bias.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Well, it's a fresh change from the Bible.
Only referencing one book is gonna lead to bias.

This is my third time now asking you: Is the Bible the word of men or the word of God?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

it's a fresh change from the Bible.

I’m thinking I myself need to take heed to this warning at this point:

Proverbs 24:21-22
My son, fear thou the Lord and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change: For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?

 

[Hidden In Him]

This is my third time now asking you: Is the Bible the word of men or the word of God?

@saintiaint. The above is a simple, straight forward question. What was your answer?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

what bothers me the most is the bible is full of people talking to the Most High, talking to angels, talking to Jesus, receiving revelation from the heavens, people witnessing miracles, and yet we today do not live like this at all, we just read about this stuff in the bible. why cant we learn from Jesus the way the 12 did?

We appear to be living in a time similar to this:

Judges 6:13
[13] And Gideon said unto him, Oh my Lord, if the Lord be with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where be all his miracles which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not the Lord bring us up from Egypt? but now the Lord hath forsaken us, and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

The four canonical gospels were probably written between AD 66 and 110.[9][10][11] All four were anonymous (the modern names were added in the 2nd century), almost certainly none were by eyewitnesses, and all are the end-products of long oral and written transmission.[12] Mark was the first to be written, using a variety of sources;[13][14] the authors of Matthew and Luke, acting independently, used Mark for their narrative of Jesus's career, supplementing it with the collection of sayings called the Q document and additional material unique to each;[15] and there is a near-consensus that John had its origins as a "signs" source (or gospel) that circulated within a Johannine community.[16] The contradictions and discrepancies between the first three and John make it impossible to accept both traditions as equally reliable.[17] Modern scholars are cautious of relying on the gospels uncritically, but nevertheless they do provide a good idea of the public career of Jesus, and critical study can attempt to distinguish the original ideas of Jesus from those of the later authors.[18][19]

UTTER RUBBISH!!!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]