Once Saved Always Saved
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Once Saved Always Saved
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Who has testimony they WERE Saved and then ... LOST their Salvation?
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Who has testimony they WERE Saved and then ... LOST their Salvation?
April_Rose
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What if I told you that Rev. 22:19 refers to all who change the scripture through the many translations from the time it was written until the Lord returns?
There are many who claim to be saved and changed His Word through the various translations and will suffer the consequences of Rev. 22:19.
Are you thinking that you stopped being born again? I personally don't see how that could happen.
Much love!
Wrangler
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I already did. If you disregard Jesus' words on salt losing its flavor, a vine that is not productive destined for the fire, and not all that call him lord, lord, bless your heart.
It's sad, very sad indeed to find so-called confessing Christians not having the knowledge and understanding of the nature and meaning of what Salvation really mean according to God's perspective. So they take apparent Scripture passages like in Hebrews Chapters 6 and 10 to suggest that a person can lose his salvation after becoming saved, which is alien to the Bible.
In eternity past, before the foundation of the world God the Father elected, chosen, named, and predestined those whom He desired to become saved. Ephesians 1:4-6.
To complete His salvation plan the Father sent/gave (not offered) His Son to the world to redeem HIS PEOPLE from their sins by going to the cross. Matthew 1:21
Later, the Father sends the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, to seal the salvation of His people.
2 Corinthians 2:19
So far I have not seen in this thread how might a person truly become saved except by "accepting" or "believing" in Jesus which is contrary to Ephesian 2:9.
The only criteria anyone can be saved is if the Father "draw" him (John 6:44) and given to His dear Son (John 6:37; Matthew 1:21).
Another criteria is that, "no one seeks after God no, not one." Romans 3:10-11. (paraphrased)
If no one how then can anyone "accept" or "believe" in Jesus? IMPOSSIBLE!
To God Be The Glory
In eternity past, before the foundation of the world God the Father elected, chosen, named, and predestined those whom He desired to become saved. Ephesians 1:4-6.
To complete His salvation plan the Father sent/gave (not offered) His Son to the world to redeem HIS PEOPLE from their sins by going to the cross. Matthew 1:21
Later, the Father sends the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, to seal the salvation of His people.
2 Corinthians 2:19
So far I have not seen in this thread how might a person truly become saved except by "accepting" or "believing" in Jesus which is contrary to Ephesian 2:9.
The only criteria anyone can be saved is if the Father "draw" him (John 6:44) and given to His dear Son (John 6:37; Matthew 1:21).
Another criteria is that, "no one seeks after God no, not one." Romans 3:10-11. (paraphrased)
If no one how then can anyone "accept" or "believe" in Jesus? IMPOSSIBLE!
To God Be The Glory
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Wrangler
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You are in denial. What you are in denial of is RECEIVED but later Rejected.
For if we deliberately go on sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:26
What's actually sad is that someone can straight up deny the Word of God when it plainly says that there is a sin a man can commit where it's impossible for him to be renewed unto repentance.
This is a person who was "made partaker of the Holy Spirit" and has "fallen away."
It is plainly denied here by many!
Instead of denying it, we should be discussing how this happened and why! More importantly, how we can avoid it!
Wrangler
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I like what you wrote but disagree. Although the plane departs in the future, I have the ticket now. We have the ticket now even though we do not need it until later, Judgment Day. We can be confident of our future now, boldly approaching the throne of God.
3 Blessed is God, the Father of our Lord Jesus, the Anointed One! Because He has raised Jesus the Anointed from death, through His great mercy we have been reborn into a living hope— 4 reborn for an eternal inheritance, held in reserve in heaven, that will never fade or fail.
1 Peter 1:3-4 (Voice)
Unless it's actually a fiction.
You put a lot on "made partaker of the Holy Spirit", that this can only mean that someone was born again, is this correct?
Hebbrews . . .
2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Partakers of flesh and blood, We have bodies.
Partakers of the heavenly calling, "today, if you hear His voice", calling to salvation.
Partakers of Christ, those holding their confidence to the end.
Partakers of the Holy Spirit, but these cannot be renewed if they fall away.
Partakers of chastisement, for those who are true.
Partakers of holiness.
We all born alive in flesh. We hear the heavenly call. If we truly share in Christ, we remain to the end. Some who share in the Holy Spirit may fall away, and if so, cannot be renewed to repentance. Those who are true sons of God are chastised if needed, which is ALWAYS effective. Partakers of chastisement become partakers of His holiness.
Those who are called partakers of the Holy Spirit, if they fall away, they cannot be renewed to repentance. However, partakers of Christ hold their confidence to the end (It's the syntax of the passage which shows this). And furthermore, true sons of God are chastised as needed, and that chastisement ALWAYS produces the peaceable fruits of righteousness,
Hebrews 12:8-10 KJV
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
I don't see how this leaves room for someone to become lost to God, if they have truly been reborn. If you aren't chastened, you're not His child. And if you are His child, you WILL be chastened (the word there means to train as you would a child, think spanking, but He has MANY methods!), and that chastening WILL be effective in producing in you holiness.
Much love!
Knowledge is Gods Scriptural Truth.
You are in error... reading, HEARING Knowledge is not how a man receives Salvation.
Read all of Hebrews...see who is being spoken To. Tribesmen, who for 4,000 years had been under the Mosaic Law.
New Covenant...New man appears...they are learning....uh something NEW....New Knowledge.
OF course They could still sin....According to their OT Law...
Do you understand it took 3 years daily Hearing from Jesus, before Jesus' Chosen Disciples Committed in Faithfulness?
And The Jews being taught bits and pieces...you think instantly Rejected 4,000 years of their Scriptural History?
Nah. It was confusing to them...
And the Last 2,000 years of men learning About Christ...Accepting His Offering of Salvation and spirit Quickening...
AND
Pretend they "are" under the Mosaic Law...
Sin, Sin, Sinning...and running to ask God for SIN Forgiveness of cheating their boss, lying to a neighbor....blah, blah, blah
Why not sling an animal UP on the altar and give its Blood too?
Jesus didn't forgive me for Sins against any man....(He and I both know)...I am not under the Law, never was.
Jesus forgave "ONCE" my sin Against Him, Of having had Disbelief in Him.
"One Time" I gave my body to be crucified with Christ.
And "One Time" He Restored my soul.
And "One Time" He Quickened my spirit.
And "one time" He circumcised my Heart.
I Spiritually Live in Christs" Perfect Body...
And you think a man Can live IN Christ's Body and THEN Sin Against God? Pfft.
Nope! Mosaic Law...men sin against men, by violation of a law against another man.
New Covenant...there is no sin of man against man.
New Covenant...Sin is a man Against The Lord God.
And once no longer a man is Against The Lord God, and CONFESSES heartfully...That man is instantly Forgiven ...and heart, soul, spirit, Changed....and IN Christ....and Christ's Spirit in that man.
And no man can grasp that man out of the Lords hand.
John 10:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Why are you telling God you Sinned Against another man?
Why are you asking God to forgive your (supposed sin) for what You do to other men?
Why are you not asking OTHER men to FORGIVE you your TRESPASSES Against them...as Scripture Teaches?
Wrangler
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Wow are you confused! Hebrews 10:26 does not talk about salvation but the sacrifice that does NOT EXIST for sins. Hebrews 10:26 specifically undermines your theological construct of OSAS. You would do well to re-read Hebrews 10. How in the world could you think one could not lose their salvation after reading the next 2 verses is beyond me.
28 Remember that those who depart from the law of Moses are put to death without mercy based on the testimony of two or three witnesses.[a] 29 Just think how much more severe the punishment will be for those who have turned their backs on the Son of God, trampled on the blood of the covenant by which He made them holy, and outraged the Spirit of grace with their contempt.
Hebrews 10:28-29 (Voice)
101G
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first thanks fort the reply, second, are you kidding? listen, Matthew 5:13 "Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men." (SALT of the .... who?... EARTH, meaning in flesh). but is not your conversation is in Heaven....
YIKES, all your earthly advice is 50-50... lol, lol, lol. "but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing". all your education, social positions, money, fame, only salt, and when your salty "THINGS", are gone... lol... YIKES! you're nothing... scripture, Matthew 6:19 "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:"Matthew 6:20 "But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:"
LOOK, don't be an old salty, go 100%... listen,
Matthew 5:14 "Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid." and if your LIGHT happen to Go out it can be restored, or relit. as in your sinning, Galatians 6:1 "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." (PLEASE READ THAT AGAIN).
Galatians 6:2 "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." (READ THIS ONE AGAIN ALSO).
see, go 100, "turn on the LIGHT", get out of DARKNESS, and come into the LIGHT....
YIKES!. get out of the EARTH.. oh I mean the FLESH... so you're reproved again... next scripture...
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
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101G
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oh i forgot your second part.
John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman."John 15:2 "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."
"Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away",
well did he, GOD, not take away Israel? lets see, Romans 11:11 "I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy."
Romans 11:12 "Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?"
Romans 11:13 "For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:"
Romans 11:14 "If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them."
Romans 11:15 "For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?"
Romans 11:16 "For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches."
Romans 11:17 "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;"
Romans 11:18 "Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee."
Romans 11:19 "Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in."Romans 11:20 "Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:"
Romans 11:21 "For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee."
Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
Romans 11:23 "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."
NEVER SAY NEVER WHEN IT COMES TO GOD. so you're reproved again.
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
nope, lets hear the Word of God,
John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman."John 15:2 "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."
"Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away",
well did he, GOD, not take away Israel? lets see, Romans 11:11 "I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy."
Romans 11:12 "Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?"
Romans 11:13 "For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:"
Romans 11:14 "If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them."
Romans 11:15 "For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?"
Romans 11:16 "For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches."
Romans 11:17 "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;"
Romans 11:18 "Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee."
Romans 11:19 "Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in."Romans 11:20 "Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:"
Romans 11:21 "For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee."
Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
Romans 11:23 "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."
NEVER SAY NEVER WHEN IT COMES TO GOD. so you're reproved again.
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Wrangler
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Your take on the Scripture already provided was not convincing in the least. YOU are the salt of the Earth. It's so odd how you pivoted on the word Earth. What lost flavor was not Earth but the salt, believers. It's OK that you do not grasp the concept.
Have a blessed day.
Wrangler
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Sad but predictable reply, sweep away the offending verse (John 15:1-2) and replace it with a verse you prefer (Romans 11 in this case). Then pretend I am arguing against Romans rather than FOR John 15:1-2.
The meaning of the term, "made partaker of the Holy Spirit' is this: "if I am unsaved and in a Christian congregation, I will still partake of the Holy Spirit." Speaking of the unsaved.
To God Be The Glory
101G
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oh, now it's my... my take? .... lol.
... lol.so we can take this as you have no rebuttal? ...... thought so....
YIKES!.Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
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