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Robert Gwin
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The redemption is simple, but perhaps the reason is not, we have been taught that two wrongs don't make a right, and that may be what you see. With God's perfect law however, it is soul for soul, since Adam lost life for mankind, a life must be rendered to make it back. A bit difficult to see how that works, but it is part of the exacting law of God.
Eternally Grateful
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Yet human life can’t redeem mankind
Jesus said the father loved him and they shared that love from before the foundation of the world. Jesus did not just become in his birth from Mary, he entered the physical body bore by Mary,
read it out of the kjv.
Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
For Hebrews 10:10 shows that those who are recipients of the one offering have been sanctified:
Heb 10:10, By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Not that they are being sanctified.
The Father of eternity is still the Father (see Malachi 2:10).
But I would say that "The everlasting Father" is in fact the correct translation of this.
On the contrary, only a human life can redeem mankind, which is why Jesus had to become a human in order to redeem us.
Yes, Jesus existed before the earth was created:
(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God
But in order to redeem us God changed Jesus' nature from spirit being to human being:
(John 1:14) The Word became flesh, and lived among us.
So that:
(Hebrews 2:9) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
(Heb 2:13) [Jesus said] Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
(Heb 2:14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
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Jesus became a Man so that He could die; in that His soul and spirit would be separated from His body; which is physical death.
Consider.
Isa 41:4, Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isa 44:6, Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isa 48:11, For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
Isa 48:12, Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Who is the first and the last in these verses?
If you said Jehovah, go to the head of the class.
Now,
Rev 1:17, And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18, I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Rev 2:8, And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
There you have it.
Jehovah, the first and the last, was dead and is alive; He liveth, and was dead.
...and the Word was God.
Robert Gwin
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Yes sir you are correct, Jesus existed prior to coming to earth Jn 3:13 which goes on to the very familiar verse 16, God (Jehovah) sent His son. Since Jehovah is Jesus' Father, and is perfect imperfection was not passed on to Jesus, therefore as a perfect human, he was a corresponding ransom for what the perfect human Adam lost for mankind.
Eternally Grateful
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Jesus was not a mere human. But it’s good to know you think he had to Become. Meaning he was not always human
God did not change Jesus. Jesus entered the womb himself. He took it on his self. As God/man. He was able to pay for all
Mankind.
Eternally Grateful
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Jehovah is Jesus Pre incarnat. He was the one who spoke to Moses in the burning bush
amigo de christo
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Yes indeed , our redeemer would have to be without spot or blemish on the inside .
Praise the glorious LORD, FOR HE is without spot or blemish and no evil , no darkness is in Him .
He took on the same flesh as we have and has overcome the world . Raised again . Praise the glorious Lord .
Even the law points to Christ. It said the animals to be sacrificed were to be without spot or blemish
and the animals themselves were not guilty of the sins of the people . It was innocent but carried the price of the sacrifice .
OH but the lambs have a far greater sacrifice . JESUS CHRIST , perfect and without spot and HE himself
laid down his own life voluntarily for the cause that all who do believe would be saved .
Great is the mystery of godliness . GOD was manifest in the flesh . Let the LORD be praised .
The only true sacrifice that could purge sin from the conscious IS the blood of JESUS . OH let all praise the LORD .
amigo de christo
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And JESUS , the actual high priest offered up HIS OWN SELF . LET THE LORD BE PRAISED .
Yes.
First we are made pure by the Blood of Jesus, and then God birth's our dead spirit into His Holy Spirit.
"born again".
You actually teach that you are your flesh.
This is why when i teach that this flesh is dead, you are sure to come running again and again and deny it.
Yes, he was not always human, and is no longer human. But he became human, 100% human just like us:
(Rom 8:3) For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh;
(Php 2:7) [Jesus] emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.
He was in the "likeness of sinful flesh", except that he was not sinful.
(Rom 5:15) But the free gift isn’t like the trespass. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.
(1Ti 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Note 1 Corinthians 15:21-22 (WEB):
21) For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man.
22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
And as usual you have ignored my explanation of that. Nothing new.
Scriptures don't contradict.
People contradict scripture because they were taught to do it.
For example, a person says......."you have to hold unto your faith to stay saved, or you have "dead faith", which means you have lost your salvation".
Did you ever hear a heretic teach this spiritual baloney, by abusing the epistle of James?
They teach this nonsense, because they dont understand the blood atonement, and because the liar that taught them to SEE that verse in the wrong light, was their teacher.
The Bible teaches that, in Romans 7:18...
Rom 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Wrangler
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I never met anyone so consistently misapplying Scripture. No good in the flesh. We are made of Spirit and flesh. Not the same thing.
No, I have not misapplied that scripture; I have taken it at face value; as should you.
(Gen 3:19) By the sweat of your face will you eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
Can you read?
your verse says....that "IN ME">.......inside me...........= that is not the BODY.
Gain some reading skills, and find your way out of the dark.
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