Calvinism vs. Arminianism

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If you do not believe the Word of God by the time you die, then as a vessel of wrath you will enter eternity without Christ.
That is a rather presumptuous statement from one who promotes a false Gospel. But God will hold you accountable for falsifying His Gospel.
 
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Now, you wickedly call God a "horrible puppet monster", and this is the very God that Paul refers to as the loving Potter of vessels of mercy!

Oh contraire mon bitty gnome! The Calvinist religion preaches that God is a horrible puppet monster, not anybody that has the lest respect for God would consider such a thing.
For no other reason than to edify themselves the Calvinists blaspheme God in the worst way. Then some mix Christianity with Judaism and that just makes it weirder.

Why not mix a little UFO's...and Reptilian Masters...and Voodoo and you have yourself a really klondike belief system.

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I don't capitalize the g in god when I write of the puppet-master god of Calvinism.
Yes - in Calvinism, god is a puppet-master and humans are NOTHINGS - puppets, automatons - ZEROES.
 
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Jesus loves the little children
some of all types of all the children of the world
red and yellow, black and white
some are precious in His sight
Jesus loves some of the children of the world

(Calvinized version of a popular song)
 

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That is a rather presumptuous statement from one who promotes a false Gospel. But God will hold you accountable for falsifying His Gospel.
The Apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God proclaims that God is the Potter, that the Potter molds vessels of mercy, and that the Potter molds vessels of wrath (Romans 9:20-23).

You and/or people like you under the inspiration of the flesh declare that the same Potter is a monster, essentially calling God an evil being, so people like you assert things like not being one that can ever serve the Potter.

In reality, the Potter is good, in fact, ONLY the Potter is good (Mark 10:18), so that makes you evil (Romans 3:8-10).

The evil being, you, call the good being, the Potter, evil, so you embrace deception.

Lord Jesus is God (John 20:28), so this means that Jesus is the Potter, and the Potter says "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).
 
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Oh contraire mon bitty gnome! The Calvinist religion preaches that God is a horrible puppet monster, not anybody that has the lest respect for God would consider such a thing.
For no other reason than to edify themselves the Calvinists blaspheme God in the worst way. Then some mix Christianity with Judaism and that just makes it weirder.

Why not mix a little UFO's...and Reptilian Masters...and Voodoo and you have yourself a really klondike belief system.

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Your lack of scriptural citation is very telling about your state in the first things, Grailhunter! That puts all your writing OUTSIDE of the Bible there.

NOW, HERE IS TRUE CHRISTIAN BELIEF:

The Apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God proclaims that God is the Potter, that the Potter molds vessels of mercy, and that the Potter molds vessels of wrath (Romans 9:20-23).

You under the inspiration of the flesh declare that the same Potter is a "monster", essentially you call God an evil being, so people like you assert things like not being one that can ever serve the Potter.

In reality, the Potter is good, in fact, ONLY the Potter is good (Mark 10:18), so that makes you evil (Romans 3:8-10).

The evil being, you, call the good being, the Potter, evil, so you embrace deception.

Lord Jesus is God (John 20:28), so this means that Jesus is the Potter, and the Potter says "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).

NOW, AN ENUMERATION OF YOUR DECEPTIONS EXPOSED:

You, Grailhunter, slaughtered the Biblical meaning of predestination as this post clearly shows.

You eviserate the context of "world" in John 3:14-16, so in effect you call Jesus liar when He says He will lose none as this post scripturally shows.

As this post Biblically shows, your definition of "the whole world" for 1 John 2:2 and 1 John 5:19 being everyone everywhere causes you to identify yourself as "Grailhunter lies in the evil one" yet Christians have overcome the evil one (1 John 2:13).

God alone produces everything for salvation including belief/faith, repentence, the new birth (born again), choice, and good works/fruit, it is exclusively all by God through God in God, none by man, all by God just as the Word of God reveals in this post.
 
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I don't capitalize the g in god when I write of the puppet-master god of Calvinism.
Yes - in Calvinism, god is a puppet-master and humans are NOTHINGS - puppets, automatons - ZEROES.
According to Christ, and so in Christianity, God loves the children of God SO MUCH THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON (John 3:14-16).

Wow, the Potter sure shows that He, being God, cares immensely for His humans!!!

By the way, you failed to cite any scripture.

The Apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God proclaims that God is the Potter, that the Potter molds vessels of mercy, and that the Potter molds vessels of wrath (Romans 9:20-23).

You and/or people like you under the inspiration of the flesh declare that the same Potter is a monster, essentially calling God an evil being, so people like you assert things like not being one that can ever serve the Potter.

In reality, the Potter is good, in fact, ONLY the Potter is good (Mark 10:18), so that makes you evil (Romans 3:8-10).

The evil being, you, call the good being, the Potter, evil, so you embrace deception.

Lord Jesus is God (John 20:28), so this means that Jesus is the Potter, and the Potter says "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).
 

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I think these conversations are entertaining.

On the one hand you have double predestination. A god who only chose some based on nothing but that he chose and how dare we argue with him, while choosing others for hell without even giving them a chance. Based on a misinterpretation of ROmans 9. Where paul was dealing with the question of the day. Did God make a mistake in choosing Israel?

On the other You have a God who is incapable of changing his people and completely saving them So they must in some way help God in doing whatever it is deemed needs to be done to maintain salvation.

Sadly, I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. While I do believes Calvinists are my brothers and sisters. I believe they err in situation. While arminians. Have free will right. But misrepresent it.

I believe this feud is so deep. It has tainted many a conversation. as what we have as a me vs them argument, where no one actually listens to the other. and tries to put everyone under these two camps. When in reality. Most people are on the outside and follow niehter of these two men.
 
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How did God change your direction?
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By bringing me to the end of myself. I attempted suicide, had a major nervous breakdown at the age of 19. Had an aunt who spent six months every Friday praying and fasting for me. Was a Satanist and the demons turned on me and tormented me terribly ( I believe they knew prayer was going up on my behalf). Holy spirit started calling me. I didn't want to answer. I wanted to crawl in a hole and die!

Even when I got saved, I asked my aunt to pray with me. I told her I couldn't believe Jesus loved me liked she said, but if He did would she pray with me so He would save me.

That night was back in a motel with my girlfriend and doing what I normally did. Stealing like crazy from my company. Started thinking religious thoughts- concluded re-incarnation and heaven were the answer. Die, come back a little better, die come back a little better etc;etc.etc until I came back and lived perfect then die and go to heaven.

Started having a conscience about stealing, asked God to stop it because I was too into the greed. He let me get caught and face 10 years in State Prison for grand theft. Ratted out those who taught me how to embezzle funds. He happened to be the son of a mafia don, so I had a contract on my life! Both the prison and contract were removed, and after being fired My aunt sent me a bible in the mail. I immediately flipped it open at random and it flipped to --- It is appointed for men to die once, then comes judgment! Blew my thoughts on re-incarnation right out the window. spent he next 8 months unemployed and reading Scripture over 12 hours a day! (used to read A. Lavey's Satanic Bible) .

That is how God got me to change direction! I was dragged to salvation.
 

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Your lack of scriptural citation is very telling about your state in the first things, Grailhunter! That puts all your writing OUTSIDE of the Bible there.

NOW, HERE IS TRUE CHRISTIAN BELIEF:

The Apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God proclaims that God is the Potter, that the Potter molds vessels of mercy, and that the Potter molds vessels of wrath (Romans 9:20-23).

You under the inspiration of the flesh declare that the same Potter is a "monster", essentially you call God an evil being, so people like you assert things like not being one that can ever serve the Potter.

In reality, the Potter is good, in fact, ONLY the Potter is good (Mark 10:18), so that makes you evil (Romans 3:8-10).

The evil being, you, call the good being, the Potter, evil, so you embrace deception.

Lord Jesus is God (John 20:28), so this means that Jesus is the Potter, and the Potter says "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).

NOW, AN ENUMERATION OF YOUR DECEPTIONS EXPOSED:

You, Grailhunter, slaughtered the Biblical meaning of predestination as this post clearly shows.

You eviserate the context of "world" in John 3:14-16, so in effect you call Jesus liar when He says He will lose none as this post scripturally shows.

As this post Biblically shows, your definition of "the whole world" for 1 John 2:2 and 1 John 5:19 being everyone everywhere causes you to identify yourself as "Grailhunter lies in the evil one" yet Christians have overcome the evil one (1 John 2:13).

God alone produces everything for salvation including belief/faith, repentence, the new birth (born again), choice, and good works/fruit, it is exclusively all by God through God in God, none by man, all by God just as the Word of God reveals in this post.

Your lack of scriptural citation is very telling about your state in the first things, Grailhunter! That puts all your writing OUTSIDE of the Bible there.

Why dirty scripture on you? Here we are on page 41, repeating over and over.....scriptures mean nothing to you....your inspiration comes hotmail! The funny thing, the Church of Satan treat God with more respect than your church.
 

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By bringing me to the end of myself. I attempted suicide, had a major nervous breakdown at the age of 19. Had an aunt who spent six months every Friday praying and fasting for me. Was a Satanist and the demons turned on me and tormented me terribly ( I believe they knew prayer was going up on my behalf). Holy spirit started calling me. I didn't want to answer. I wanted to crawl in a hole and die!

Even when I got saved, I asked my aunt to pray with me. I told her I couldn't believe Jesus loved me liked she said, but if He did would she pray with me so He would save me.

That night was back in a motel with my girlfriend and doing what I normally did. Stealing like crazy from my company. Started thinking religious thoughts- concluded re-incarnation and heaven were the answer. Die, come back a little better, die come back a little better etc;etc.etc until I came back and lived perfect then die and go to heaven.

Started having a conscience about stealing, asked God to stop it because I was too into the greed. He let me get caught and face 10 years in State Prison for grand theft. Ratted out those who taught me how to embezzle funds. He happened to be the son of a mafia don, so I had a contract on my life! Both the prison and contract were removed, and after being fired My aunt sent me a bible in the mail. I immediately flipped it open at random and it flipped to --- It is appointed for men to die once, then comes judgment! Blew my thoughts on re-incarnation right out the window. spent he next 8 months unemployed and reading Scripture over 12 hours a day! (used to read A. Lavey's Satanic Bible) .

That is how God got me to change direction! I was dragged to salvation.

Love your testimony!

But you think you were dragged?
 

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Love your testimony!

But you think you were dragged?

Yes! Until god got a hold of me- I could care less about the things of God. I was a pure living example of those in the flesh cannot please God! Unsaved people do not care about the things of God. If they appeare religious, it usually is for self motives (like trying to earn heaven or show off etc.)
 

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The Apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God proclaims that God is the Potter, that the Potter molds vessels of mercy, and that the Potter molds vessels of wrath (Romans 9:20-23).
What you forgot to tell everyone is that God is longsuffering, and gives the vessels of wrath much time to repent. We see this over and over again in the Bible, and also in our lives, and the lives of others. Therefore He does NOT assign anyone to Hell arbitrarily.

What you also forgot to tell others (because of your twisted gospel) is that God invites the whole world of humanity to salvation. Absolutely everyone can be saved, although only a few (relatively) will be saved. There are numerous Scriptures to support this.
 

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Yes! Until god got a hold of me- I could care less about the things of God. I was a pure living example of those in the flesh cannot please God! Unsaved people do not care about the things of God. If they appeare religious, it usually is for self motives (like trying to earn heaven or show off etc.)
So you think God dragged you against your will as you fought him?

I do not see this in your testimony
 

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What you forgot to tell everyone is that God is longsuffering, and gives the vessels of wrath much time to repent. We see this over and over again in the Bible, and also in our lives, and the lives of others. Therefore He does NOT assign anyone to Hell arbitrarily.

What you also forgot to tell others (because of your twisted gospel) is that God invites the whole world of humanity to salvation. Absolutely everyone can be saved, although only a few (relatively) will be saved. There are numerous Scriptures to support this.


What you forget Enoch is that God does not assign a single soul to hell. Men are conceived lost! In order to go to hell- all someone has to do is.......NOTHING! We go there by default.
 

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So you think God dragged you against your will as you fought him?

I do not see this in your testimony

Well I am sorry you don't. I did and know that without Him dragging me to Jesus I of myself would never had come. But through all the events of my life He prepared me and brought me to jesus. Once again sorry you don't see or can't see that.