Of course we are not bound by the letter of the law unless we are seeking to earn our salvation through our obedience; but as those who are justified by faith, we are delivered from the law so that we are no longer bound by the letter but are obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).
Two Types Of Repenters That Find Damnation
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Mat 25:1, Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2, And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3, They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4, But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5, While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6, And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7, Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8, And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9, But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10, And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11, Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12, But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13, Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Grailhunter
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@Blood Bought 1953
Oh boy this is going to be fun!
Spewing a lot of incoherent words, all the while talking out the side of your mouth, and twisting the meaning of the scriptures. Shame on you!
At least you do not deny the deity of Christ and the existence of hell or claim that God is a monster puppet master. But where the Calvinists have irresistible Grace...you have unlimited Grace and unconditional forgiveness. I have been attempting to classify this new denomination and you are helping, maybe these are the elements...political correctness and unlimited Grace and unconditional forgiveness and freedom and "rest" from morals. You should consider being the founder. Would you even need a Bible for your religion?
Or better yet...the Jehovah's Witnesses wrote their own Bible. Maybe you could write your own Bible and remove all those pesky scriptures pertaining to obeying Christ...or just get rid of all the scriptures that mention morals. In motion and in reality and in truth...a religion of unlimited Grace and unconditional forgiveness nullifies any concern for morality...You could even write in there that it is the moral people that are bad and mean and judgmental and the immoral people are the one that are righteous because they trust on unlimited Grace. Do anything you want Christ got ya covered....preach that that is true faith. Faith in immorality.
What would be your motto? What would your church board read....Come worship with us...where you can do anything you want and enjoy the rest of Unlimited Grace and unconditional forgiveness. Why pay any attention to morality...forgiveness is free and unlimited! Don't even bother repeating that is just a kill joy for all the sin and fun you can do without ramifications.
All those “ Commandment Lovers” LOL
Christ's Commandment....find a scripture that says Christ's Commandment are suggestions.
Luke 6:46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
John 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
1st John 2:3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1st John 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.
1st john 3:24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
It’s simple—- some people “ get it” and most do not. RESTING in Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing ( as you and His Life and myself Plus a few others do ) is the Key to everything in the Christian Walk..... All those “ Commandment Lovers” out there fail to recognize “ THIS” command, it seems.... this “ Rest” is not just a suggestion or a bit of good advice—- it is something that God has Ordered and it is revealed in the second and third Chapters Of Hebrews....
Glad you brought up Hebrews...did you bother to read the rest of the book? Not that scriptures mean anything to you or your new denomination.
Hebrews 10:26-31
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Try your hand at twisting these scriptures.......and here is some more to twist.
1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
After you get done twisting the Word of God, would it be less sacrilegious to just not use the Bible for your religion. This new unlimited Grace you are promoting only gives lip service to morality...because there are no ramification...no responsibilty...no accountably. Lifestyle sins...sin some more Grace is free!
Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace might increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? May it never be!
This new denomination would have to be the favorite for every pervert and evildoer in the world! Who would not want to go to heaven.... Sign up evildoers of the world...do whatever you want...unconditional forgiveness and unlimited Grace...Satan has to laughing his tail off! Bring it on! My kind of religion! Satan yells from hell.
Oh boy this is going to be fun!
Spewing a lot of incoherent words, all the while talking out the side of your mouth, and twisting the meaning of the scriptures. Shame on you!
At least you do not deny the deity of Christ and the existence of hell or claim that God is a monster puppet master. But where the Calvinists have irresistible Grace...you have unlimited Grace and unconditional forgiveness. I have been attempting to classify this new denomination and you are helping, maybe these are the elements...political correctness and unlimited Grace and unconditional forgiveness and freedom and "rest" from morals. You should consider being the founder. Would you even need a Bible for your religion?
Or better yet...the Jehovah's Witnesses wrote their own Bible. Maybe you could write your own Bible and remove all those pesky scriptures pertaining to obeying Christ...or just get rid of all the scriptures that mention morals. In motion and in reality and in truth...a religion of unlimited Grace and unconditional forgiveness nullifies any concern for morality...You could even write in there that it is the moral people that are bad and mean and judgmental and the immoral people are the one that are righteous because they trust on unlimited Grace. Do anything you want Christ got ya covered....preach that that is true faith. Faith in immorality.
What would be your motto? What would your church board read....Come worship with us...where you can do anything you want and enjoy the rest of Unlimited Grace and unconditional forgiveness. Why pay any attention to morality...forgiveness is free and unlimited! Don't even bother repeating that is just a kill joy for all the sin and fun you can do without ramifications.
All those “ Commandment Lovers” LOL
Christ's Commandment....find a scripture that says Christ's Commandment are suggestions.
Luke 6:46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
John 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
1st John 2:3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1st John 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.
1st john 3:24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
It’s simple—- some people “ get it” and most do not. RESTING in Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing ( as you and His Life and myself Plus a few others do ) is the Key to everything in the Christian Walk..... All those “ Commandment Lovers” out there fail to recognize “ THIS” command, it seems.... this “ Rest” is not just a suggestion or a bit of good advice—- it is something that God has Ordered and it is revealed in the second and third Chapters Of Hebrews....
Glad you brought up Hebrews...did you bother to read the rest of the book? Not that scriptures mean anything to you or your new denomination.
Hebrews 10:26-31
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Try your hand at twisting these scriptures.......and here is some more to twist.
1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
After you get done twisting the Word of God, would it be less sacrilegious to just not use the Bible for your religion. This new unlimited Grace you are promoting only gives lip service to morality...because there are no ramification...no responsibilty...no accountably. Lifestyle sins...sin some more Grace is free!
Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace might increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? May it never be!
This new denomination would have to be the favorite for every pervert and evildoer in the world! Who would not want to go to heaven.... Sign up evildoers of the world...do whatever you want...unconditional forgiveness and unlimited Grace...Satan has to laughing his tail off! Bring it on! My kind of religion! Satan yells from hell.
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I wrote a song once...
Lord Jesus, I ask You further into my heart...
Come Holy Spirit, I pray, and make me more like You...
oh-oh-oh (repeat)
Grant me the victory in every battle...
Lord have the victory in every battle...
Lord Jesus, I ask You in my heart...
Lord Jesus, I ask You in my heart.
Your Song left out your True concerns....you needed to request that your “performance” of Law Keeping Be Adequate to be considered “worthy” and if there are any Gaps in your Performance , make sure that you be granted the SUPER MEMORY and the LUCK to Repent of all of your Sins before you die, lest you be damned.....
You would be MUCH better off actually listening to the Songs that are already out there.....you could start with “Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus” ( btw.....that “NOTHING” would include “Lucky Repentance” )
You made the post very personal, I take it you don't like BB, Your accusations are very serious tho you should be careful
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
God's ways are higher than ours Morality Comes From God, True morals are from him so you would only have true Morals if he was working through you, You have morals because you believe God..... As a warning take it as you want, Trying to limit Gods Grace is a bad thing it won't work out very well for you, It's his character and it's on Display, Consider the line exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. And answer if you really want to be one that puts limits on it, Exceeding riches...How Rich? The kindness of God towards us....How Kind?
As to your new religion, there is nothing new under the sun, and there are only two Gods And Satans. Gods is true, Satans is lies, One needs God the other needs themselves, One hopes on God The other looks at Man, Its as clear as night and Day
satan has created many religions to choose from...all he cares about is that you don't put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ for salvation from sin.
Him coming to dwell within my heart so that He can live His life in me and through me covers my performance.
And I don't need a SUPER-MEMORY because I have a relationship with the Holy Spirit...He will bring up my sins that He wants me to confess in His own timing...and the Father, who is sovereign and who loves me, will not allow me to perish before I have confessed everything that He considers important....especially since I do not neglect the discipline of confession in my life.
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Your confession is really quite concerning First I will point out that your feeling of liquid love can be faked and often is, that is not a biblical way of having assurance, You said you didn't know if God was Real But he revealed himself at that moment that's Kinda Dangerous but will leave that point for now, You said you would read the Bible so your example Of salvation was based on your feelings, Not learning Of the Gospel Not understanding Real Salvation Not Believing in the Sacrifice That Jesus Paid for our sins
faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
You put the cart before the horse, And your evidence Isn't the way that is found in the bible
I had a background in Christianity at the time that I had my experience with the Lord; so I was aware of the fact that Jesus died for my sins.
What the Lord wanted at that moment was my heart...and because He got my heart, He gave me an experience at that time that was not faked by me in any regard. I genuinely felt those things.
Funny thing is, I have not since then based my understanding of whether I was saved or not on my feelings. The Lord told me not long after I had that experience through a certain preaching that I heard, that believers often enter into what is called a "wilderness experience"...
So I do not base my understanding of whether I am saved or not on the level of joy that I might feel at any given moment....especially since the Holy Spirit physically causes that joy by increasing the levels of dopamine in the brain; and my medicine that I take inhibits dopamine levels.
So As you said your Salvation isn't based On your reception to the Gospel But your heart said confession That you will read and Do what The Bible Says, and you back it up with a verse about obeying commandments, How clear can you make it, Haven't you read about the ones that tried to do what you say
Grailhunter
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Born without a fear bone and it has served me well.
BB is a person I like. His beliefs are messed up...that does not make him a bad person. Maybe one of these days he will read the whole Bible and the light bulb will come on.
You see, it is not only, that what he says is not biblical, it don't make any sense. A lot of people of this new denomination do not go to church, because they do not fit in. Go back and look at what BB and Addy have said about those that believe in standing up for morals. They have issues with them. They are likely not to fit into those groups, as they are likely not to fit into church. This is not an organized group, it is a movement out of social conventions which preaches social tolerance...Political correctness...People should have the right to murder babies. They should have the right to take drugs. They should have the right to be a prostitute. They should have the right to be homosexual. They should have the right to marry. And actually the demonrats and leftist liberals are starting to hint around about the legality of having sex with young children. Our demonrat president here sniffs little girl's hair and feels them up. It is becoming socially acceptable and because this denomination responds to social beliefs, these Christians will soon be tolerant of this and will oppose any one critical or condemning those that have sex with children.
People do not put things in motion...maybe because their brains cannot do that. Putting it in motion, even if some of the people "in" this new denomination made it to heaven...would they fit in? What would heaven be like full of the worst evildoers. Would it change the character of heaven? Would you find yourself standing shoulder to shoulder with Hitler?
And I say people "in" this new denomination, but it is not organized so defining is a little difficult. There are churches that whole heartedly support LGBTQ.
List of Christian denominations affirming LGBT - Wikipedia
But this is not enough for the new denomination and a lot of it has to do with social acceptance and tolerance.
You say....
God's ways are higher than ours Morality Comes From God, True morals are from him so you would only have true Morals if he was working through you, You have morals because you believe God..... As a warning take it as you want, Trying to limit Gods Grace is a bad thing it won't work out very well for you, It's his character and it's on Display, Consider the line exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. And answer if you really want to be one that puts limits on it, Exceeding riches...How Rich? The kindness of God towards us....How Kind?
Kindness to evildoers, sounds like a warning from Satan. And by the way, morals come from the Bible not a drug stupor.
What would happen if this new denomination takes over the world...a worldwide religion with no morals that attracts evildoers because it promises heaven. Sound hard to believe? Who would have ever thought that the United States would lay down for Communism? "The times are a chang'n"
Yes, that was my repentance unto God.
As I said, I already had a knowledge of the 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 gospel so God did not have to rehash that with me.
What the heck did you just write, Did any of it apply to what I said, What do you hear from these words then? But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you
Eph 2:1, And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2, Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3, Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4, But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )
Eph 2:6, And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7, That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:2, Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3, Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4, But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )
Eph 2:6, And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7, That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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I hereby declare My “New Denomination” to be called..... “The Church Of Lydias” ....Remember “Lydia?” Probably not. She was the “Seller Of Purple” Mentioned In Acts 16:14.....God opened her heart to the Gospel....that is all that is needed to start a Proper Walk Of Faith...That Alone will get the Job Of Salvation done —— Plus a LOT MORE!
All of the Scriptures that you quoted that “throws shade” on Eternal Security ? Duh...you think that I am unaware of them? Lol......think again, Mr.Gospel Perverter! All of these verses have one of two things in common —- they are all either Taken out of Context or they are things being said that are not being addressed to the Body Of Christ.....Text without Context is Error, and you “ error” a bunch!
Anybody is welcome to attend my Church unless you consider yourself to be “Moral”......I prefer to have Members that have Contrite Hearts —- Sinners that KNOW they are Sinners....ADMIT that they are Sinners....and have the Brains to realize that they are going to be in EXTREME need of Grace on the Day That they die, just as they were on the day they got Saved.....
One could also call my New Denomination “ The Nothing But The Blood” church.....our Congregation will not only “mouth” that song—— we will Sing that Song and actually MEAN IT ! Anybody that tries to Add to that song will be tossed out of the church Promptly. We do not allow “ Leaven” in this New Denomination......” A little Leaven leavens the whole batch....it destroyed many of the Churches that Paul established in Asia Minor ( “ they have all deserted me” ) I will do my best to see that it does not happen in “ Lydia’s Church” ....
A warm thanks to you for giving me this Golden Opportunity to use you as a “ Springboard” to get some Vital Truths out there.....You’re the Best!
Grailhunter
Well-Known Member
LOL Looky here buddy ol' pal, Satan is my enemy...I am not going to love him.
Do I have to take everything you said apart? "Nothing new under the sun"...what rock have you been living under?
You or I do not define morals...period. Got that? We do not increase or decrease Grace....The Bible explains all that, all you have to do is read it. And they develop their own language, they can talk in circles, mean nothing, and they think it sounds religious.
You didn't respond to the Gospel, You went on your heart when it is deceitful above all things And Turned (Repented as you put it) To Obedience to try to do what The Bible says, when you read the bible you should realize that you cant and the only one that Could was Jesus and that everything pointed to him and that without him you can't do anything, So instead of putting your faith in him you decide to try to do it yourself anyway and still do, That why you told me you put your own works alongside Jesus Blood For salvation, Which is Absolute Heresy
We'll see if anyone gets on his case like they did mine when I tried to start a church up in here...
@Blood Bought 1953's doctrine appears to preach that we are all sinners and that there is no remedy for that in holy scripture.
It is simply a FALSE and PERVERTED gospel...
The blood of Jesus doesn't only justify (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).
Now, is it going to be applied and not perform all of its functions?
Can it sanctify and cleanse, for example, and also not justify?
But primarily, can it justify, and also not sanctify and cleanse?
That is the real question.
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