Except that the Bible says that through Jesus all things were created, that were in fact created. Jesus did not create Himself. He is the Creator, Who is here before anything was created.Of course Jesus was created.
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Except that the Bible says that through Jesus all things were created, that were in fact created. Jesus did not create Himself. He is the Creator, Who is here before anything was created.Of course Jesus was created.
They picked up stone to kill him with because they understood that "you, a mere man, make yourself out to be God!" That was their complaint. I think they'd know, being the one's listening to Him. And rather than easily correct them, "No, that's not what I meant", he, what, dishonestly? allowed them to go on thinking He meant something He didn't mean?No. Read Matthew 16. Only Peter knew Jesus was the Anointed One, the Son of God (never God incarnate). The Big Reveal of Jesus Ministry was that he claimed to be the long awaited chosen Son of God, the Messiah, the Anointed One (not that he was God incarnate). He told his disciples time and again not to tell anyone he was the Messiah (not God incarnate). He also told those he healed not to say.
High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One?
Jesus: I am.
Mark 14:61-62 (VOICE)
This is NOT the great I am.
Except that the Bible says that through Jesus all things were created, that were in fact created.
If Jesus is not God, then He was guilty of presenting and then continuing to support a blasphemous view of Himself. IF He isn't God.
Is that what you want to think?Does the Bible say that? Or is that what trinitarians want the interpretation of Scripture to be?
What I'm saying is the Jesus would have been guilty of promulgating blasphemy by speaking in such ways as to cause His listeners to think He was saying He was equal to God, and not correcting them when they said this was what they understood Him to be saying.This is such an odd take given the level of education today. One does not have to be God to be guilty of blasphemy.
You're Jehovah Witness?No maam, I agree with Peter who knew Jesus intimately:
(Matthew 16:16, 17) . . .Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did.
Jehovah revealed it to me as well maam.
I'm not sure what today's level if education has to do with this
That’s odd because I explained it very clearly. You are speculating that a supposition ought to over turn the fact that the entirety of the Bible, written wholly by Jews, who are monotheists and reject trinitarianism to this day.
Maybe Jesus could have handled every situation recorded in the Bible in a way that meets your standards. Speculation and supposition does not change anything and educated people know this.
The Jews haven't recognized Jesus as their Messiah, and they didn't then, witness their execution of Him.
Educated people know this . . . appeal to . . . oh nevermind . . .
Deflection.The Romans executed Jesus. The Jews did not have such authority.
Not so.You are putting aside Scripture, the Word of God, to speculate to advance your false doctrine.
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When Jesus called Himself the Son of God, they picked up stone to stone Him, 'because He, a man, was making Himself equal with God'. So then if you want to go with the prevailing Jewish thought of the time, it was that Jesus was claiming Deity.LOL. Jesus is not God. He was the son of God. The son of Joe Biden is not Joe Biden.
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When Jesus called Himself the Son of God, they picked up stone to stone Him, 'because He, a man, was making Himself equal with God'.
I realize that is the trinitarian line but not actually contained in Scripture. Said differently, attributing motives to why people do a thing does not validate their motive.
This is called Circular Reasoning. January 6th people stormed the capital because they thought the election was stolen. This is evidence that the election was stolen, right?
You mentioned that my thinking that Jesus is God went against the prevailing Jewish thought.
You're kind of using the conclusion in the proof . . .Jesus was a Jew born under the law. You think Jesus violated the Shema or any of the Commandments? I don’t.
Jesus's words are sufficient for that. If Jesus said, I believe it's true.