Forgiveness is to those who keep the commandments of the Lord.

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

justbyfaith

Well-Known Member
Jun 28, 2018
21,740
4,114
113
51
San Pedro
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
There is no indwelling sin, in a born again believer.
Christ has become the sin, regarding all the Born again.
The verse says..>"God has Made Him to be our sin". "made Jesus to be sin for us".

Apparently He has not become yours yet, as you claim you still have your sin.

Well, i dont have mine. Jesus has it.
So, the sin of the born again is gone.
This is why Roman 4:8 says that God does not charge you with sin.
He can't as Jesus has taken it, all.
So,
There is the "flesh" that has been crucified with Christ, that you are to understand is "dead".
You dont, and that is why you sin and confess and teach lies.

See, there is the Living Born Again Spirit, inside the body.
It this, you find God, Chrsit, and the Holy Spirit.
You do not find sin.
Your theology is not of God.

1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
33,501
21,648
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Let me put it this way. When you fell in love with someone you have a great burning desire to please them. This is the love you have in your heart for them. God puts his love in our heart that we my love as he loves. This is given to us through the fruits of the Holy Spirit. This is why the apostle wrote if a man says he loves God and hates his brother the LOVE OF GOD IS NOT IN HIM.

Personally, I think that Christian love has more to do with committing myself - an act of will - to serve the wellbeing of others. Feelings come also, but whether or not we have certain emotional responses, I think the love we do is a choice to serve.

Much love!
 

justbyfaith

Well-Known Member
Jun 28, 2018
21,740
4,114
113
51
San Pedro
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I provided a link to the information. If you're not interested in information why are you here pretending you have something to say?
I have addressed what is in that very link in times past; but I do not feel led to put in the time or effort to do so again.

The fact is, none of what is in that link shows that there are any errors in the kjv. There is an answer to every contention in the link.
 

GracePeace

Well-Known Member
May 4, 2021
3,420
685
113
Southwest
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I have addressed what is in that very link in times past; but I do not feel led to put in the time or effort to do so again.

The fact is, none of what is in that link shows that there are any errors in the kjv. There is an answer to every contention in the link.
Let's see if it works for me. Ready?

"Well yeah but I have answers for all your answers."

LOL
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hidden In Him

stunnedbygrace

Well-Known Member
Aug 18, 2018
12,397
12,048
113
USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Personally, I think that Christian love has more to do with committing myself - an act of will - to serve the wellbeing of others. Feelings come also, but whether or not we have certain emotional responses, I think the love we do is a choice to serve.

Much love!

I find this interesting, given something else that I have noticed recently. (I really need to stop talking about myself at some point!) But...when my passions went lights out, I soon after began to have my...will go lights out. I want to sit in quiet and would be quite happy to do so indefinitely, just sit in peace. But I get up to do what I have to, but if it’s not a have to, I cannot cajole myself to it. I thought this was odd, like He has done something to my will and it doesn’t want to assert itself to...anything in particular. Weird...
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
33,501
21,648
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
(I really need to stop talking about myself at some point!)
I reached that same conclusion once upon a time, so I decided to start directing my internal chatter to God.

Instead of just thinking things, I started turning the thoughts into prayer, talking to Him. Not saying, God won't like that, instead, You must not like that, or whatever it is.

Then again, I've got the full green light to preach to myself, but I'm counting on my head being a "shared space".

Much love!
 
  • Like
Reactions: stunnedbygrace

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
33,501
21,648
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I want to sit in quiet and would be quite happy to do so indefinitely, just sit in peace. But I get up to do what I have to, but if it’s not a have to, I cannot cajole myself to it. I thought this was odd, like He has done something to my will and it doesn’t want to assert itself to...anything in particular. Weird...
I can totally relate!

For me, it's not so much a "light's out" thing, I'm learning to walk this way by trusting His promise. I find the reality of "be it to you according to your faith".

I think we live our lives in conflict with our flesh, but when God causes that flesh to rest, as it seems He sometimes does, we can see the difference, and it is profound!

Our will is being conformed to His. As I've been thinking about holiness, maybe that's another way to see it, my will conformed to His.

Much love!
 

stunnedbygrace

Well-Known Member
Aug 18, 2018
12,397
12,048
113
USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I can totally relate!

For me, it's not so much a "light's out" thing, I'm learning to walk this way by trusting His promise. I find the reality of "be it to you according to your faith".

I think we live our lives in conflict with our flesh, but when God causes that flesh to rest, as it seems He sometimes does, we can see the difference, and it is profound!

Our will is being conformed to His. As I've been thinking about holiness, maybe that's another way to see it, my will conformed to His.

Much love!

I think I have the same suspicion as you - that it may be a will quieted that is capable of bearing more of His love...? I don’t know. It just struck me when you said you thought love is to do with ones will.
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
33,501
21,648
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I think I have the same suspicion as you - that it may be a will quieted that is capable of bearing more of His love...? I don’t know. It just struck me when you said you thought love is to do with ones will.

To me it's more like, the more real His love is to me, the less I care about anything else.

As I've learned that I don't disqualify myself from the fullness of His love by my weakness and failings, I'm more readily believing in the constancy and pervasiveness of His love for me.

For me, so much of "my" will is about fulfilling some perceived need, whether physical, or mental, whatever. But when I believe that He really is meeting all my needs, and I don't have any sense of want, then the natural flow is outward instead of inward. The flesh takes in, but the Spirit overflows.

What I call Christian Love, agapeo, to me, this is a commitment, a determined choice, to care for others. It's the walking in love as a matter of choice.

Much love!
 
  • Like
Reactions: stunnedbygrace

justbyfaith

Well-Known Member
Jun 28, 2018
21,740
4,114
113
51
San Pedro
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
"Except that you don't."

Except that I do; while you don't.

Anyway I've found you to be dishonest and willfully ignorant and obstinate so I'll go ahead and put you in ignore. Not interested in discussing anything with cement pavement.

It's true that I have made up my mind on the kjv-only/kjv-superior controversy.

If that means that you are not open to anything that I have to say, well, that says something about you and those who ascribe to modern translations. They are closed-minded to the truth about the kjv.

Something told me that you wouldn't be open to any of the arguments in favour of the kjv-only side of the debate (while I am kjv-superior in my position); so I decided not to try any of them out on you. Because you have already made up your mind, also.

Suffice it to say that my faith in the superiority of the kjv stands as the evidence of things not seen by you (Hebrews 11:1).
 

stunnedbygrace

Well-Known Member
Aug 18, 2018
12,397
12,048
113
USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
To me it's more like, the more real His love is to me, the less I care about anything else.

As I've learned that I don't disqualify myself from the fullness of His love by my weakness and failings, I'm more readily believing in the constancy and pervasiveness of His love for me.

For me, so much of "my" will is about fulfilling some perceived need, whether physical, or mental, whatever. But when I believe that He really is meeting all my needs, and I don't have any sense of want, then the natural flow is outward instead of inward. The flesh takes in, but the Spirit overflows.

What I call Christian Love, agapeo, to me, this is a commitment, a determined choice, to care for others. It's the walking in love as a matter of choice.

Much love!

I get that. “The more real His love is to me the less I care about anything else” part. And that is all tangled up in trust and the will. The more I come to see that a hard or unpleasant thing turns into blessing, the less I complain, because He has grown my trust through it and I more readily accept the next hard or unpleasant thing I find myself in, without all the caterwauling and complaint. You have to trust someone before you can cast your cares on them.

I don’t understand a determined choice to love others so much though. I could always determine to try but it quickly ended in murder most times (which I of course promptly blamed on them.) And even with beginning to will whatever God brought to me each day, it had self interest in it. I had seen how He always eventually brought it to my own good, so it became easier to accept because of that. So...yeah, you can see I lack love, a selfless love.
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
33,501
21,648
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I get that. “The more real His love is to me the less I care about anything else” part. And that is all tangled up in trust and the will. The more I come to see that a hard or unpleasant thing turns into blessing, the less I complain, because He has grown my trust through it and I more readily accept the next hard or unpleasant thing I find myself in, without all the caterwauling and complaint. You have to trust someone before you can cast your cares on them.

I don’t understand a determined choice to love others so much though. I could always determine to try but it quickly ended in murder most times (which I of course promptly blamed on them.) And even with beginning to will whatever God brought to me each day, it had self interest in it. I had seen how He always eventually brought it to my own good, so it became easier to accept because of that. So...yeah, you can see I lack love, a selfless love.

It's like Romans 5, we rejoice in tribulation because it produces endurance, which gives us the experience of things working for good, an we trust Him more.

He's been proving His love for me, to me, in my afflictions. It's hard to talk about and feel like I'm making sense, but I get the idea you know.

Loving others, in me it begins with the knowing I'm no good at it, but God wants it, so I ask Him to do it in me/through me, and just try to do whatever seems good.

The more I do that, the more natural it seems to become.

I keep returning in my mind to doing dishes one night. I've always wanted to just pile them all in the dishwasher, my wife always wants me to rinse each one.

I remember standing there, my neck was hurting as I looked down into the sink, and I prayed that God would enable me to do this simple chore by His Spirit. Forget about the neck! I kind of just watched as one hand turned on the water and picked up a plate. I had already picked up the dish brush, and I began doing dishes in the power of the Spirit, which turned out to be "the way my wife wanted".

I've been coming to realize how deeply my thoughts and reactions are rooted in flesh and not spirit, and how different spirit is. I've come to question most anything I do, looking to God to train me in the new way.

I think loving others has been built into us in our recreation, and that as we grow in trust, we also will grow in love, but not always on the same schedule.

Much love!
 
  • Like
Reactions: stunnedbygrace

stunnedbygrace

Well-Known Member
Aug 18, 2018
12,397
12,048
113
USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
“I tell you, her sins—and they are many—have been forgiven, so she has shown me much love. But a person who is forgiven little shows only little love.”

This is so crazy when you think about it. When I was busy blaming everyone else for my angers and resentments and not seeing I was every bit as bad as them, I was forgiven little because I didn’t think I was doing anything wrong. When I began to see my lack of love, I saw how much I was forgiven and I actually was able to feel pity for myself and others. So the last sentence of the verse is a...I don’t know what you call it, it can be taken two ways but only one of those ways is really correct.
 
  • Like
Reactions: marks

Hidden In Him

Well-Known Member
May 10, 2018
10,600
10,883
113
59
Lafayette, LA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Except that you don't.


I'm guessing he probably does, Just By Faith. His posts since joining have been well backed up by scripture, and he doesn't seem at all like he's simply "blowing hot air," despite Enoch's rather curt accusation. I could say the same thing to you. The KJV is a mess in certain places, but it's really a tired and long-winded discussion, which is why I doubt if he's any more interested in getting into it with you than I would be. Doesn't seem like a good expenditure of time.

Only when the KJV text strays wildly from the original text in question do I think it's even worth discussing.

God bless,
- H
 

Enoch111

Well-Known Member
May 27, 2018
17,688
15,996
113
Alberta
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
I provided a link to the information. If you're not interested in information why are you here pretending you have something to say?
I am not interested in anti-KJV propaganda, especially since I have fully researched the matter. If a Bible translation was full of errors (as you claim) it could not have stood the test of time for over 400 years.

And I am not "pretending" to say anything. I have documentary EVIDENCE to prove that you are simply blowing hot air (possibly trolling).