Saved By Grace Through FAITH ...

BloodBought 1953 · Jun 19, 2021

amadeus said:
Perhaps not everyone is off the milk. Perhaps not everyone knows or even believes all things exactly right as they should, but God seeing that they are striving and surrendering to Him may have mercy in spite of their shortcomings! God is the final judge for certain. He knows all things about all people. I do not!

I’m not the judge either...I am just pointing out something that most people are not aware of....If you are in a church and somebody starts Speaking in Tongues ( usually a Spiritual Show- Off) and there is nobody to interpret it.....
It is wrong....

Paul spoke in tongues, ” more than you all”..... he did it in private, I believe.....

I am not saying this is the Unforgivable Sin or anything....I just think a ton of it is phony and done because of peer pressure....

BloodBought 1953 · Jun 19, 2021

Tong2020 said:
I have a somewhat different view. In my view I don’t see the gospel as demanding anything. The gospel is about what God had done for salvation, not about what one should do to be saved. For there is nothing that a man could do that would save himself. God is the Savior and man is the one who needs saving. For if there is something man can do to save himself, there was no need for God to do what He had done in Christ for salvation.

Let me explain myself a bit more. As with any news, it is no more of a report about what happened or is happening. When some news gets to the hearing of people, some understand it and others don’t. But either way, all only gets to believe or not. With regards the gospel, there is no difference in that respect. Now, obviously, what one understand the news is about and what it is, is only what he may or may not believe. However, there is a big difference with the gospel in some respect. Unlike any news, the gospel is one that is coming from God, and is spiritual or better yet, about God and the things of the Spirit of God. That being the nature of the gospel, the natural man can not know it, because it is spiritually discerned. He does not receive the gospel because it is foolishness to him. In other words, for one to understand the gospel, there is one thing that should take place first in and on the man. Something spiritual. And that is not something that he could do nor is his work, but God’s. I call that spiritual something as the quickening of the man’s spirit, which opens up his heart and spiritual eyes and ears.

Also, in my view, what the gospel says is not about something that one could avail or not by doing something, but is about something that one could only believe or not, concerning the Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

Those whose spirit are quickened, their hearts, ears and eyes having been opened by God, receives faith from God, that eventually move them in the spirit, resulting to their willful acceptance of the gospel and sincerely believe it. As such, they are saved by God, by grace through faith.

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The Gospel is NOT what man does for God....the Gospel is what God has done for Lost, Hell-Bound and Hell-Deserving Men....

Anybody that not only “ hears” the Gospel but goes on to “Believe” the Gospel has been blessed by God......Check out the story of Lydia, “ the Seller of Purple” in Acts.....It was God who “ opened her Heart” to the Reception Of the Truth......can it be any different for anybody else? I thank my God that He gave me “ ears to hear” ....Do you Understand the Gospel Of Grace and obey God's Command to REST in it ( if you don’t rest in it , you don’t really believe it) ........We should all thank God if we believe the thing that God is going to Judge us by when we stand before Him....

Tong2020 · Jun 19, 2021

Blood Bought 1953 said:
The Gospel is NOT what man does for God....the Gospel is what God has done for Lost, Hell-Bound and Hell-Deserving Men....

Anybody that not only “ hears” the Gospel but goes on to “Believe” the Gospel has been blessed by God......Check out the story of Lydia, “ the Seller of Purple” in Acts.....It was God who “ opened her Heart” to the Reception Of the Truth......can it be any different for anybody else? I thank my God that He gave me “ ears to hear” ....Do you Understand the Gospel Of Grace and obey God's Command to REST in it ( if you don’t rest in it , you don’t really believe it) ........We should all thank God if we believe the thing that God is going to Judge us by when we stand before Him....

Yes I know the story of Lydia. It is one of the basis of what I’ve written in my post before this.

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amadeus · Jun 19, 2021

Blood Bought 1953 said:
I’m not the judge either...I am just pointing out something that most people are not aware of....If you are in a church and somebody starts Speaking in Tongues ( usually a Spiritual Show- Off) and there is nobody to interpret it.....
It is wrong....

Paul spoke in tongues, ” more than you all”..... he did it in private, I believe.....

I am not saying this is the Unforgivable Sin or anything....I just think a ton of it is phony and done because of peer pressure....

All of us may be show-offs initially [I certainly was!] until and if walking with God He shows us a better way. We also need to grow, do we not?

"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." Luke 2:52

Enoch111 · Jun 19, 2021

theefaith said:
Also called praying in the spirit

The topic is "Saved by grace through faith". How did it end up with talking about praying in the Spirit? So, "theefaith" do you even know what justification apart from works is all about? You do realize that the RCC is terribly confused about this, don't you?

theefaith · Jun 19, 2021

Tong2020 said:
I have a somewhat different view. In my view I don’t see the gospel as demanding anything. The gospel is about what God had done for salvation, not about what one should do to be saved. For there is nothing that a man could do that would save himself. God is the Savior and man is the one who needs saving. For if there is something man can do to save himself, there was no need for God to do what He had done in Christ for salvation.

Let me explain myself a bit more. As with any news, it is no more of a report about what happened or is happening. When some news gets to the hearing of people, some understand it and others don’t. But either way, all only gets to believe or not. With regards the gospel, there is no difference in that respect. Now, obviously, what one understand the news is about and what it is, is only what he may or may not believe. However, there is a big difference with the gospel in some respect. Unlike any news, the gospel is one that is coming from God, and is spiritual or better yet, about God and the things of the Spirit of God. That being the nature of the gospel, the natural man can not know it, because it is spiritually discerned. He does not receive the gospel because it is foolishness to him. In other words, for one to understand the gospel, there is one thing that should take place first in and on the man. Something spiritual. And that is not something that he could do nor is his work, but God’s. I call that spiritual something as the quickening of the man’s spirit, which opens up his heart and spiritual eyes and ears.

Also, in my view, what the gospel says is not about something that one could avail or not by doing something, but is about something that one could only believe or not, concerning the Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

Those whose spirit are quickened, their hearts, ears and eyes having been opened by God, receives faith from God, that eventually move them in the spirit, resulting to their willful acceptance of the gospel and sincerely believe it. As such, they are saved by God, by grace through faith.

Tong
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faith hope and charity all in Christ thru grace 1 cor 13:13 or just about any verse in the NT

theefaith · Jun 19, 2021

Phil 1:29 suffering part of salvation

theefaith · Jun 19, 2021

Enoch111 said:
The topic is "Saved by grace through faith". How did it end up with talking about praying in the Spirit? So, "theefaith" do you even know what justification apart from works is all about? You do realize that the RCC is terribly confused about this, don't you?

mare from works of the law not apart from works
You pray dont you? Fasting? Alms? Virtues? Suffer Phil 1:29
The fathers of the dessert would recommend this verse

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Tong2020 · Jun 19, 2021

theefaith said:
Tong2020 said: ↑
I have a somewhat different view. In my view I don’t see the gospel as demanding anything. The gospel is about what God had done for salvation, not about what one should do to be saved. For there is nothing that a man could do that would save himself. God is the Savior and man is the one who needs saving. For if there is something man can do to save himself, there was no need for God to do what He had done in Christ for salvation.

Let me explain myself a bit more. As with any news, it is no more of a report about what happened or is happening. When some news gets to the hearing of people, some understand it and others don’t. But either way, all only gets to believe or not. With regards the gospel, there is no difference in that respect. Now, obviously, what one understand the news is about and what it is, is only what he may or may not believe. However, there is a big difference with the gospel in some respect. Unlike any news, the gospel is one that is coming from God, and is spiritual or better yet, about God and the things of the Spirit of God. That being the nature of the gospel, the natural man can not know it, because it is spiritually discerned. He does not receive the gospel because it is foolishness to him. In other words, for one to understand the gospel, there is one thing that should take place first in and on the man. Something spiritual. And that is not something that he could do nor is his work, but God’s. I call that spiritual something as the quickening of the man’s spirit, which opens up his heart and spiritual eyes and ears.

Also, in my view, what the gospel says is not about something that one could avail or not by doing something, but is about something that one could only believe or not, concerning the Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

Those whose spirit are quickened, their hearts, ears and eyes having been opened by God, receives faith from God, that eventually move them in the spirit, resulting to their willful acceptance of the gospel and sincerely believe it. As such, they are saved by God, by grace through faith.

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faith hope and charity all in Christ thru grace 1 cor 13:13 or just about any verse in the NT

???

How may I help you understand my post?

Tong
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theefaith · Jun 19, 2021

Tong2020 said:
???

How may I help you understand my post?

Tong
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faith and works
Faith and virtues
Faith and sacraments
At the hour of death matt 24:13 Jn 15:1

Tong2020 · Jun 19, 2021

theefaith said:
faith and works
Faith and virtues
Faith and sacraments
At the hour of death matt 24:13 Jn 15:1

???

Tong
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Tong2020 · Jun 19, 2021

kcnalp said:
Which fits perfectly with:

James 2:24 (NKJV)
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

Is man justified by works and faith? If one read that passage in James 2:24, his answer would likely be yes. But there is a more defined teaching regarding justification in other scriptures.

Romans 4:1What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

4Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

5But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

6just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

Now after learning that, what is your answer to the question?

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Tong2020 · Jun 19, 2021

07-07-07 said:
At the end of the day, Jesus said that "he that endures to the end shall be saved". If we neglect this principle, we will not be saved.

What was there to endure to the end to be saved?

What I know is that, those whom God had created in Christ Jesus, had given grace and had given faith, and He had justified by faith, and had given the Holy Spirit, even dwell in them, are those who are saved.

So what was there to endure to the end to be saved? Are you even referring to the genuine believers, who are the saved? And yet you talk of them how to be saved? Don’t you see something not right there?

Would this question make sense? What was there to endure to the end by the genuine believers, them who are saved by grace, to be saved?

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Tong2020 · Jun 20, 2021

kcnalp said:
If you don't have Christian works you're not a Christian!

If you have Jesus Christ, you are.

If you were God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus, you are.

There are many people from different beliefs, who do charitable works and other works you might say are Christian works, yet that does not make them Christians.

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Tong2020 · Jun 20, 2021

theefaith said:
how do you obtain mercy?

If you have, how did you obtain mercy?

Tong
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Tong2020 · Jun 20, 2021

theefaith said:
worthless are the words of an excommunicated heretic!

Luther demanded a council to addressing his ideas, and they condemned them all!

if anyone says a man may be justified by faith alone let him be anathema!

only faith and the sacraments are biblical
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Read Romans 4:1-8.

Tong
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Tong2020 · Jun 20, 2021

Ronald David Bruno said:
theefaith said: ↑
worthless are the words of an excommunicated heretic!

Luther demanded a council to addressing his ideas, and they condemned them all!

if anyone says a man may be justified by faith alone let him be anathema!

only faith and the sacraments are biblical
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

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I guess you'll have to count most Protestants anathema! There should be a special section for us in Purgatory ... that is such a big load, it will take awhile. Say a few Hail Mary's for us will ya and ask a few of those
Saints as well to chip it - we need all the help we can get.

@theefaith

I have Jesus Christ, my Lord, my Savior! Is there anything else lacking? Absolutely none.

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Tong2020 · Jun 20, 2021

theefaith said:
the church was here first
Your faith alone nonsense came 1500 yrs later so this verse is yours

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

What church?

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Tong2020 · Jun 20, 2021

theefaith said:
The church is necessary for salvation

Nope.

Jesus is.

Between your church and Jesus, choose.

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Tong2020 · Jun 20, 2021

theefaith said:
why does it always have to be an opposition to you
You always oppose the church

The holy church does not usurp Christ’s authority, the holy church establishes it throughout the whole world, and thru all time!

The holy apostles do not usurp Christ’s kingdom, the apostles administer the kingdom for Christ who ascended to heaven!

Ephesians 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ...

Christ and His church are one, what Christ did the church continues to do, the church is an extension of Christ!
To attack the church is to attack Christ!
Acts 9:4

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

What does man have to do with it?
The church is founded by Christ Matt 16:18

That’s a lot of preaching about your church, the apostles, and their alleged successors. However, the first century church seems to have not done so. What they went preaching is Jesus Christ.

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