that refers to the ritual of Christian baptism in the matt 28:19 form with fire or the love of God cast in our hearts
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that refers to the ritual of Christian baptism in the matt 28:19 form with fire or the love of God cast in our hearts
Well, what strange doctrine your church came up with over the years after the apostles have died, has nothing to do with me nor have any effect on me. I care none about what you say there you church says. I only care what God says in scriptures.
So, tell us, what is the gospel that you preach to the world?
Tong
R3708
the Lord is with Her Lk 1:28
She is full of grace and blessed
Queen Esther
Fair Esther 2:7
Mary all fair Song of Solomon 4:12
Found Favor Esther 2:17
Mary found favor with God Lk 1:30
Esther saves her people interceding with the king
Mary provides the savior of the world!
Lk 2:10-11
2 Tim 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
2 Tim 2: 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. How much more Mary who was prepared by God thru the immaculate conception! Lk 1:49
Heb 2:7
Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands
Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun.
Behold thy mother!
What does Behold in scripture mean?
A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!
Behold thy mother!
John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Jesus is not asking John to care for His Mary, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.
Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!
As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!
Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!
Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!
The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!
Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.
What does Behold in scripture mean?
A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!
Behold thy mother!
John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Jesus is not asking John to care for His Mary, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.
Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!
As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!
Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!
Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!
The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!
Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.
As I suggested read scriptures and find out what it says about grace. Find out also why it is by grace and not by another. Find out also why it is of faith and not by anything else. For it is most likely that you will not hear the truth concerning that from your teachers.
Tong
R3709
And yet it was said, there shall be within the church false teachers. How sure are you that they are not those who sit in in authority? It happened under the authority of Moses. Paul even gave this warning to the church in Galatia, “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.” So it could be your most trusted Pope. He is no exception. So, I suggest, examine the scriptures and be faithful to God and His inspired words in scriptures and not to any man.
Tong
R3710
Not on the name but in the name of Jesus Christ.
Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Tong
R3711
Just bringing out the point of that passage.
Head knowledge is different from having faith, and is not having faith. It is what it is, knowledge, having knowledge. A dead faith is faith though a dead one at that. It is of no profit to him who has it but have no works. He have faith, but is dead. James gave this analogy to make clear what he meant ~ For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Consider looking at the point of the analogy.
Tong
R3712
Already went over the Order of Baptism.
* What are you calling the "real baptism" ?
Already went over Faith of a man and Works of God, God performs IN a man, who Confesses his faith.
Glory to God,
Taken
the initiation ritual of Christian baptism
Is real baptism
not by faith alone James 2:24
Not justification by faith alone
Not salvation by faith alone
1 cor 13 all faith without charity avails nothing
Vs 13 greatest is charity not faith
Suffering part of salvation
rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Phil 1:29 not called to faith alone but faith and works in Christ thru grace
rom 8:24 saved by hope not faith alone
Rom 13:11 faith and salvation not the same and rom 10:10
Marvelloustime
Well-Known Member
Wise, wise words dear brother.
That’s right. Do not follow that Pope francis. He is not of the Lord.
We must only follow the biblical Lord Jesus Christ. He is all we need. And let us continue on reading our bibles.
Marvelloustime
Well-Known Member
Brother is speaking wise words.
This is also backed up by scripture:
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”
Matthew 7:15-20
Really
That’s not what Jesus said
bergolio don’t call pope
But the papacy was founded with the holy church by Christ on Peter and the apostles
Teaching authority of Peter and the apostles and their successors!
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles
1 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
Jude 1: 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
The holy church does not usurp Christ’s authority, the holy church establishes it throughout the whole world, and thru all time!
The holy apostles do not usurp Christ’s kingdom, the apostles administer the kingdom for Christ who ascended to heaven!
Ephesians 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ...
Christ and His church are one, what Christ did the church continues to do, the church is an extension of Christ!
To attack the church is to attack Christ!
Acts 9:4
What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?
Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!
2 Tim 3: 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors founded in the one true church by Jesus Christ!
Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
Matt 16:17-19
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!
Peter, the apostles and their successors!
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
Must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Acts 2:42
What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?
Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!
We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Vague answer. Please explain
James 2:
[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
WHO is doing the WORK of Justifying?
God or Man?
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