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No, in no way did you qualify or quantify the word "Jew" in post 1 or any other in your claim Jesus was a Jew.
So, again the question is re asked. What definition of "Jew" are you applying to Jesus?
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12» Wasn't Adam supposed to die right away? (Gen 2:16-17)
Yes; absolutely; however, the death that came upon him wasn't what might
be expected.
Adam was created with immortality (Gen 1:26-27). The consequence for
eating the forbidden fruit was the loss of his immortality. In other words;
Adam's death came upon him as a walking death in the form of mortality. As
a result, mortality became a pandemic malady: we all have it; and the only
natural remedy known for treating mortality is the tree of life; to which no
one yet has been allowed access.
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12» Wasn't Adam supposed to die right away? (Gen 2:16-17)
Yes; absolutely; however, the death that came upon him wasn't what might
be expected.
Adam was created with immortality (Gen 1:26-27). The consequence for
eating the forbidden fruit was the loss of his immortality. In other words;
Adam's death came upon him as a walking death in the form of mortality. As
a result, mortality became a pandemic malady: we all have it; and the only
natural remedy known for treating mortality is the tree of life; to which no
one yet has been allowed access.
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None of that is correct in the slightest.
Adam was created "perfect" ( without blemish) and had the "potential" for immortality but even as they were cast from the garden was the part about casting him so he would NOT eat from the tree of life and BECOME "immortal"- he obviously wasn.t "immortal" in and of himself.
That's plainly stated.
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According to Rev 22:2, the tree of life is medicinal, i.e. a remedy for
whatever ails you.
Adam's body became infected with mortality when he tasted the forbidden
fruit. The tree of life would've cured his condition and restored his body to
perfect health had God allowed him access.
The problem is, people tend to take advantage of medicine in order to
continue their bad habits. For example; treatments for STDs enable immoral
folk to continue their swinging life style with little fear of permanent
consequences. The same can be said for folk with high cholesterol numbers.
Statins make it possible for them to keep on eating foods that are bad for
them
Had Adam been allowed free access to the tree of life, he and his wife
would've no doubt routinely included fruit from the forbidden tree in their
diets seeing as how its detrimental effects on their health could've been
easily remedied by the tree of life.
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According to Rev 22:2, the tree of life is medicinal, i.e. a remedy for
whatever ails you.
Adam's body became infected with mortality when he tasted the forbidden
fruit. The tree of life would've cured his condition and restored his body to
perfect health had God allowed him access.
The problem is, people tend to take advantage of medicine in order to
continue their bad habits. For example; treatments for STDs enable immoral
folk to continue their swinging life style with little fear of permanent
consequences. The same can be said for folk with high cholesterol numbers.
Statins make it possible for them to keep on eating foods that are bad for
them
Had Adam been allowed free access to the tree of life, he and his wife
would've no doubt routinely included fruit from the forbidden tree in their
diets seeing as how its detrimental effects on their health could've been
easily remedied by the tree of life.
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You like to make up stuff as you go along to suit your fancy don't you?
That's not even accurate enough to be a legitimately bad interpretation of scripture.
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According to Rev 22:2, the tree of life can be used as a medication to treat
other conditions besides mortality. If we had access to it in our day, we
could use it to cure people stricken with HIV, Alzheimer's, Hepatitis,
Tuberculosis, Cancer, Diabetes, Cirrhosis, High Blood Pressure, etc. That tree
would free many of us from depending as much as we do on Big Pharma for
survival.
In the beginning Adam was completely naked, which strongly suggests to
me that he made use of the tree practically every day for common
conditions like sun burn, abrasions, rash, and insect bites which, again,
strongly suggests to me that in His own time, the creator would've
eventually gotten around to showing the people how to make clothing, not
so much for modesty, but primarily to protect their skin.
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According to Rev 22:2, the tree of life can be used as a medication to treat
other conditions besides mortality. If we had access to it in our day, we
could use it to cure people stricken with HIV, Alzheimer's, Hepatitis,
Tuberculosis, Cancer, Diabetes, Cirrhosis, High Blood Pressure, etc. That tree
would free many of us from depending as much as we do on Big Pharma for
survival.
In the beginning Adam was completely naked, which strongly suggests to
me that he made use of the tree practically every day for common
conditions like sun burn, abrasions, rash, and insect bites which, again,
strongly suggests to me that in His own time, the creator would've
eventually gotten around to showing the people how to make clothing, not
so much for modesty, but primarily to protect their skin.
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Just curious, how do you come up with this "stuff' that is so far from whats actually written that it borders on deliberate misrepresentation?
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Beware making yourself truth police lest the hapless day arrives when it's
discovered you were a heretic all along and didn't know it.
NOTE: At one time, the comment below was a popular motto in the USA.
It's still a good motto for those of us in America who cherish tolerance
and liberty.
I Disapprove of What You Say,
But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It.
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Beware making yourself truth police lest the hapless day arrives when it's
discovered you were a heretic all along and didn't know it.
NOTE: At one time, the comment below was a popular motto in the USA.
It's still a good motto for those of us in America who cherish tolerance
and liberty.
I Disapprove of What You Say,
But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It.
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Jesus of course was not a Christian- which means a follower of Christ - thus couldn’t be a follower of Himself.
Close. Hebrews says the New Testament is the last will and Testament of Jesus, which takes effect with the death of the testator.
The tree of life was barred from Adam by God so he wouldn’t live forever.
It was removed from the earth, and shows up again in Revelation, where it’s fruit is for the healing of the nations, so it seems it does have powerful healing properties.
Robert Gwin
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We teach that it took effect with the outpouring of the holy spirit. Jesus did not even present the sacrifice to God until his return several days after his death. On the day of Pentecost, Jesus sending the helper confirmed that Jehovah accepted his sacrifice, and the new covenant went into force. The law covenant was to be kept in force till the end of the week as well, wks of yrs, so for 3.5 more years, till 36 CE. The Kingdom was taken from the Jews and given to a new nation in full then.
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13» Why Were Mary And Joseph Chosen For Jesus' Parents?
It was due to a combination of genetics and the moment.
1) Mary was a Jew biologically related to David (Rom 1:3) and
2) Joseph was a Jew biologically related to David (Matt 1:20) and
3) Their confluence in history. (Gal 4:4)
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13» Why Were Mary And Joseph Chosen For Jesus' Parents?
It was due to a combination of genetics and the moment.
1) Mary was a Jew biologically related to David (Rom 1:3) and
2) Joseph was a Jew biologically related to David (Matt 1:20) and
3) Their confluence in history. (Gal 4:4)
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14» Why Is Joseph's Genealogy Given In The New Testament?
This matter is of little importance to the average Gentile, but very important
to pious Jews.
God appointed Jesus to take David's throne (Luke 1:32). However:
successors have to meet two prerequisites. They have to be directly related
to David, and they have to be directly related to David's son Solomon. These
prerequisites are non negotiable.
(2Sam 7:12-16, 1Kings 1:13, 1Chron22:9-10, and Ps 89:3-4)
Jesus was directly related to David via his mother (Rom 1:3) but neither she
nor he were directly related to Solomon. However; Joseph was directly
related to both David and Solomon (Matt 1:6 and Matt 1:20).
Now whereas successors to the throne have to be David's biological
posterity, they don't have to be Solomon's biological posterity; they only
have to be one of his direct descendants; which made it possible for Joseph
to pass the throne on to Jesus by means of adoption: a process that gives
children just as much standing in the home as biological children, including
the right to inherit, the right to their adoptive father's name, and the right to
be placed in his genealogy.
This is very important in matters related to not only the man's estate, but
also his status. In other words: it's possible for a child to circumvent blood,
and go from pauper to prince by just the stroke of a pen.
Jacob set the precedent for this procedure when he adopted his two
grandsons Manasseh and Ephraim in the book of Genesis; effectively
endowing Joseph's two boys with the status of tribal heads equal in rank and
privilege to Jacob's original twelve sons. So then, what Joseph did with Jesus
was neither innovative nor unheard of.
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14» Why Is Joseph's Genealogy Given In The New Testament?
This matter is of little importance to the average Gentile, but very important
to pious Jews.
God appointed Jesus to take David's throne (Luke 1:32). However:
successors have to meet two prerequisites. They have to be directly related
to David, and they have to be directly related to David's son Solomon. These
prerequisites are non negotiable.
(2Sam 7:12-16, 1Kings 1:13, 1Chron22:9-10, and Ps 89:3-4)
Jesus was directly related to David via his mother (Rom 1:3) but neither she
nor he were directly related to Solomon. However; Joseph was directly
related to both David and Solomon (Matt 1:6 and Matt 1:20).
Now whereas successors to the throne have to be David's biological
posterity, they don't have to be Solomon's biological posterity; they only
have to be one of his direct descendants; which made it possible for Joseph
to pass the throne on to Jesus by means of adoption: a process that gives
children just as much standing in the home as biological children, including
the right to inherit, the right to their adoptive father's name, and the right to
be placed in his genealogy.
This is very important in matters related to not only the man's estate, but
also his status. In other words: it's possible for a child to circumvent blood,
and go from pauper to prince by just the stroke of a pen.
Jacob set the precedent for this procedure when he adopted his two
grandsons Manasseh and Ephraim in the book of Genesis; effectively
endowing Joseph's two boys with the status of tribal heads equal in rank and
privilege to Jacob's original twelve sons. So then, what Joseph did with Jesus
was neither innovative nor unheard of.
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15» What Is A Savior?
• Luke 2:8-11 . . And in the same region there were some shepherds staying
out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel
of The Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of The Lord shone
around them; and they were terribly frightened.
. . . And the angel said to them: Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you
good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the
city of David there has been born for you a savior, who is Christ the Lord.
The Greek word for "savior" in that verse is soter (so-tare') which means: a
rescuer.
Rescuers typically help people who are in grave distress and/or imminent
danger of death and/or serious injury, and helpless to do anything about it;
e.g. Red Cross, Firemen, Emergency Medical teams, snow patrols, mountain
units, and the Coast Guard and National Guard.
Wouldn't it be awful if those agencies refused to assist desperate folk until
they first proved themselves deserving? Well lucky for everyone that those
agencies work on the basis of need rather than merit or many of us would
end up thrown back to the wolves.
I think quite a few people are under the impression that Christ is some sort
of probation officer; viz: if people "endure to the end" as they say; then he
grants them a clearance for heaven. But God forbid they should fail to
satisfy the conditions of their probation, because then they're out the door.
Probation can be likened to a sword of Damocles hanging over people's
heads by a slender thread easily broken by conduct unbecoming. How dare
the angel of Luke 2:8-11 describe his announcement as "good news of great
joy" if probation were actually what's meant by sozo instead of rescue.
On the other hand; if Christ is in the business of rescuing people from the
wrath of God in accord with the humane principles underlying normal
emergency services; then yes, I fully agree with the angel that the birth of
Christ is something to get excited about.
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15» What Is A Savior?
• Luke 2:8-11 . . And in the same region there were some shepherds staying
out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel
of The Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of The Lord shone
around them; and they were terribly frightened.
. . . And the angel said to them: Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you
good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the
city of David there has been born for you a savior, who is Christ the Lord.
The Greek word for "savior" in that verse is soter (so-tare') which means: a
rescuer.
Rescuers typically help people who are in grave distress and/or imminent
danger of death and/or serious injury, and helpless to do anything about it;
e.g. Red Cross, Firemen, Emergency Medical teams, snow patrols, mountain
units, and the Coast Guard and National Guard.
Wouldn't it be awful if those agencies refused to assist desperate folk until
they first proved themselves deserving? Well lucky for everyone that those
agencies work on the basis of need rather than merit or many of us would
end up thrown back to the wolves.
I think quite a few people are under the impression that Christ is some sort
of probation officer; viz: if people "endure to the end" as they say; then he
grants them a clearance for heaven. But God forbid they should fail to
satisfy the conditions of their probation, because then they're out the door.
Probation can be likened to a sword of Damocles hanging over people's
heads by a slender thread easily broken by conduct unbecoming. How dare
the angel of Luke 2:8-11 describe his announcement as "good news of great
joy" if probation were actually what's meant by sozo instead of rescue.
On the other hand; if Christ is in the business of rescuing people from the
wrath of God in accord with the humane principles underlying normal
emergency services; then yes, I fully agree with the angel that the birth of
Christ is something to get excited about.
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16» Define An Angel
The Hebrew word for "angel" is mal'ak (mal-awk') which doesn't especially
indicate a celestial being. The word is a bit ambiguous and essentially means
a dispatched deputy or a messenger; viz: someone who speaks for, and/or
represents, another; i.e. an ambassador and/or someone selected by God
for a special purpose.
Priests are mal'ak. (Malachi 2:7)
The New Testament word translated "angel" is aggelos (ang'-el-os) which
means pretty much the same thing as mal'ak. For example john the Baptist
is labeled an aggelos. (Mal 3:1 and Matt 11:10) and his assistants too are
labeled aggelos (Luke 7:24)
The heads of the seven churches to whom John penned letters in Revelation
are labeled aggelos.
All of which tells me we should never assume that the word "angel" in the
Bible eo ipso indicates a heavenly being. It could just as easily be a human
agent on a divine mission, e.g. Heb 13:2.
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16» Define An Angel
The Hebrew word for "angel" is mal'ak (mal-awk') which doesn't especially
indicate a celestial being. The word is a bit ambiguous and essentially means
a dispatched deputy or a messenger; viz: someone who speaks for, and/or
represents, another; i.e. an ambassador and/or someone selected by God
for a special purpose.
Priests are mal'ak. (Malachi 2:7)
The New Testament word translated "angel" is aggelos (ang'-el-os) which
means pretty much the same thing as mal'ak. For example john the Baptist
is labeled an aggelos. (Mal 3:1 and Matt 11:10) and his assistants too are
labeled aggelos (Luke 7:24)
The heads of the seven churches to whom John penned letters in Revelation
are labeled aggelos.
All of which tells me we should never assume that the word "angel" in the
Bible eo ipso indicates a heavenly being. It could just as easily be a human
agent on a divine mission, e.g. Heb 13:2.
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