Homosexuality

Your very first sentence in your post is antithetical to my statement: "Someone once told me that whatever you turn to in your time of need - depression, stressful times, disappointments, boredom - THAT is your God"

My statement was refuting your topic sentence simply because your topic sentence covers the entirety of human experience in one degree or another. So I narrowed it down appropriately in line with the rest of your post, and critiqued it in such manner as required.

You actually refuted nothing.

My initial statement was and is correct.

You are both correct. God is looking to wake up those two who will walk and talk with Him 24/7.

Foreigner said:

You actually refuted nothing.

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Technically you are correct since your post was, indeed, self refuting.

And they will wake up or are already awake.




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Yes, I think homosexuality is a sin, but so is the way many of us deal with it. We need to be more compassionate when it comes to witnessing to a gay person, and the Church at large should make them feel more welcome instead of making them feel judged or less than. God is their judge...all we should do is speak the Truth to them in the Spirit of love and let God do the rest. They are not mis-fits, they are people whom God loves dearly.

Amen and Amen Hollyrock

Hollyrock said:

Yes, I think homosexuality is a sin, but so is the way many of us deal with it. We need to be more compassionate when it comes to witnessing to a gay person, and the Church at large should make them feel more welcome instead of making them feel judged or less than. God is their judge...all we should do is speak the Truth to them in the Spirit of love and let God do the rest. They are not mis-fits, they are people whom God loves dearly.

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The gospel of Christ is believe it or die. He taught the brutal truth and never used flattery for anyone.

Matthew 23
33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Matthew 16
23 But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Mark 6
11 And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!"





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Matthew 10
25 It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more will they call those of his household!

IMHO
Homosexuals commit a sin against the body.
1 Corinthians 6:18

As for the above post, Jesus also used compassion. John 8:11

Think of the wedding parable. The servants were told to go and get everyone from the highways, because those invited did not come.
Yes Jesus spoke boldly, but Jesus knows the lives of others. John 4:18
Can you claim the same knowledge Jesus possesses so as to pass judgement before you know the hearts of men? 1 Corinthians 4:5
From Matthew 16:23, we can clearly see Jesus rebuking Satan. Yes I know the man who stood before Jesus, yet again He rebuked Satan! My point being our fight is against powers and principalities, not flesh and blood.
We are to love a holy love; that includes homosexuals.

I gotta vent on this one there is this homo in my town and he gets his gayness all over everything. Even the women act crazy around him, these guys have all these nice looking daughters and this pile of garbage messes everything up. He has this little queer army that gets all over everything, any one else going through something like this ? under the grace of God people we need a battle strategy.

We are called to love all and just because one may be Queer that is ok to a point. but this lot are militant and a lot of them are so sick. their so called life styles is a absolute disgrace and just full on filth.

And i have never heard of any true debate on this life style, it is just taboo. why because it's any thing goes. and they point to the nice ones as an example for all. never the creeps. as that would not be PC.


In my day growing up if you were going to run around chasing all the woman you could. you would get your face punched in. it could start like, so you are disrespecting my sister bud ! and the brother, father, cousin would be trying to kill you.
Now days it's like every one is just like a dog.

Yeah they are a much more calculated bunch then society would lead us to believe. Good Lord I have had some unpleasant Revelations over this lately, It really is too bad we all cant get along through Jesus I believe we can all get along obviously the gaylords are not capable of this. It makes me sick Im not all over everyone with my heterosexual urges am I ?

HollyRock said:

Yes, I think homosexuality is a sin, but so is the way many of us deal with it. We need to be more compassionate when it comes to witnessing to a gay person, and the Church at large should make them feel more welcome instead of making them feel judged or less than. God is their judge...all we should do is speak the Truth to them in the Spirit of love and let God do the rest. They are not mis-fits, they are people whom God loves dearly.

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Hi all, I look forward to your responses.
I would like to start with this quote above. I have been to two civil partnership ceremonies of friends who are in same sex relationships. They were very respectful in their invites, 'would we be offended if we were invited' Of course there was no religious elements to the service.The potential new equality laws would enable religious elements and prevent me from going in the future.
I think it is important to consider that the New Testament has many warnings witten to believers, not primarily non-believers. As far as non-believers are concerned as believers we should witness the saving gospel of Jesus Christ which will change hearts and minds. (infact it will either soften hearts to God or harden them, Hebrews 4:12)

But I think this issue is like the point of a spear, there is a lot of shaft behind it. It is the most easily identifiable error and attack on the church and the faith in the western world today.

Firstly, there is no such thing as gay/straight, or homosexual/heterosexual in God's Biblical testimony. Believers have been sucked into this concept which is a lie. There are people who experience same sex attraction and I would suggest that is no worse than any other wrong feeling. But God created male and female (Gen 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5 etc) it was for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united with his wife and the two shall become one flesh. The Bible only deals with wrong sexual acts and relations.

So there is a debate with non-believers about how God sees those men and women He created in His image, no different from anyone else, loved by God but imperfect and to be made perfect one day through Christ. So there is no such separation as LGBT, LGBT is denying what God has created as man and woman. It is putting fallen human feelings before the truth of God's word.
So beware the language. I heard a Bishop recently say he saw no difference between heterosexual and homosexual marriage!. Think about it, neither can I, a homosexual man can marry a homosexual women.

But the NT warnings (ie 1 Cor 5, Matt 18, Rev 22, Eph 5, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1, 1 Cor 6-7, Romans 1-2 etc) are I think for those who are supposed to know, or claim to know and have turned away from God.

I have not had too much trouble debating with guest non-believers but the problems I have experienced widely on Christian forums is liberal 'Christians'. Yes there is as Comm.Arnold put it "queer army that gets all over everything" agressively trying to force everyone to accept homosexuality, but the difficulty is professing the Biblical truth without supposedly fellow Christians siding with non-believers and telling them we dont have the gospel. This especially as passages such as 2 Cor 11 says unless we stick to faith once delivered we drift to another Jesus and another gospel.

For Christians there is no debate. The Bible only countenances male/female sexual relationships, and only ever describes same sex ones as error and detestable to God. We need to be honest enough to say this isnt a disputable matter, but a lie and treat such people who claim to believe as non-belivers and pagans. We arent to judge them that they might be going to hell or like, that is for God to judge, but they cant be believers if they don't believe. Sadly this is the very thing, acceptance for the relationship that they want.

Consider. The UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights protects man and woman to marry and found a family. (article 16 or 18) There is no mention of any 'gay'. 'homosexual' etc. two people of the same sex cant found a family together. I would suggest therefore that the UN Human Rights protects man/woman marriage by what it says. Yet many politicians such as Hilliary Clinton, President Obama and PM David Cameron see same sex 'marriage' as a human right. We have now got to a situation where people are making up their own human rights contrary to the human rights that already exist, and contrary to other people's human rights.

brightmorningstar said:

Hi all, I look forward to your responses.
I would like to start with this quote above. I have been to two civil partnership ceremonies of friends who are in same sex relationships. They were very respectful in their invites,

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I found this part morbidly interesting, where you mention them being respectful. One thing I have noticed and this goes for a lot of sin is that the level of gay is multiplied by the more destable sexual acts that one of them has commited. I try to avoid gay people at all costs and wont hesitate to leave a room if too many of them are present they just give me the creeps. Ive met a kid over the internet through some social media sights from Belgium he claims to be gay even though he is only 15 and should be fairly innocent still. He is an extremely nice clean kid who told me he does not have sex, he is nice enough that I didn't drop him the instant he told me he was gay. I am not gay at all and I can't help but bug him about it sometimes and he puts up with it pretty well. Conversely the queer army boy who lives in my town he is around 40 he has probably done or supported several destable acts in the eyes of the Lord and he seems to have an evil presence or influence over some of the weaker townsfolk. You can't help but notice it when you are around him and it is very uncomfortable to be around. He is also very forceful and confusing to have to deal wit, I have a theory that the more they commit this sin its like they climb a ladder of gay and become more powerful but also more depraved in thought, and then they rely on the young innocent ones to give them a good name. Obviously a lot of other sin works this way mass murderers think that killing solves all there problems but no one wakes up and claims to be born that way. I kinda rambling here just trying to make sense of an ugly situation because this guy followed me into the bathroom today and seemed to enjoy in the vicinity of me going number two, it was very unsettling and in my house of me being the oldest brother id beat the crap out of him for behaving this way, its quite simple.

Well if we read Romans (particularly 9-11) we see that in Exodus Pharoah several times hardened his heart to God before God said ok you have made your mind up and I will now help you harden your heart to destruction. So God will allow a free choice, to life or death, and even help people on their way. But as it also says, of course, repentance wipes the slate clean and restores.
So yes, their minds have become darknened and they have turned away from God. Romans 1 is written to the gentiles in the church at Rome warning of licence, Romans 2 to Jews warning them of legalism.
But I think we need to see them as able to be restored through repentance, at the moment they are blinded to the truth. The truth is foolishness to those who are perishing.


Concerning your point, not all are agressive and out to force their sin on others. The difficulty is trying to reach people in love and standing up to the lies.

Incidentally, there was a statement some time ago from the inclusivechurch which said if the gospel doesnt permit same sex relations then it cant be good news to homosexuals.
The truth about that and the answer is, the inclusivechurch doesnt know Jesus Christ or the gospel of Jesus of Jesus Christ.
This is because the gospel is the good news of Jesus Christ (John 3:15-16 and 1 John 4:10)
1 John 4:10 "This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

Thats a pretty serious thing is a church that claims to know, denies.

brightmorningstar said:

Well if we read Romans (particularly 9-11) we see that in Exodus Pharoah several times hardened his heart to God before God said ok you have made your mind up and I will now help you harden your heart to destruction. So God will allow a free choice, to life or death, and even help people on their way. But as it also says, of course, repentance wipes the slate clean and restores.
So yes, their minds have become darknened and they have turned away from God. Romans 1 is written to the gentiles in the church at Rome warning of licence, Romans 2 to Jews warning them of legalism.
But I think we need to see them as able to be restored through repentance, at the moment they are blinded to the truth. The truth is foolishness to those who are perishing.


Concerning your point, not all are agressive and out to force their sin on others. The difficulty is trying to reach people in love and standing up to the lies.

Incidentally, there was a statement some time ago from the inclusivechurch which said if the gospel doesnt permit same sex relations then it cant be good news to homosexuals.
The truth about that and the answer is, the inclusivechurch doesnt know Jesus Christ or the gospel of Jesus of Jesus Christ.
This is because the gospel is the good news of Jesus Christ (John 3:15-16 and 1 John 4:10)
1 John 4:10 "This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

Thats a pretty serious thing is a church that claims to know, denies.

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Seems like we see straight eye to straight eye on this one. I like the allegory of a spearhead it can be very confusing to deal with them appropriately as they will take advantage of an accepting loving person but also try to bring you down if you are not nice to them. I always find it funny how easily some of these perverts can take a bible verse out of context even though they are right in the middle of some very serious sin. Then they are proud of themselves on top of everything else.

Oh well one day they will all be turned to nothing in the meantime no scorpion we can't tread on.

Out of context? Are you kidding, these people outright deny what the Bible says. They also do it sp systematically and repeatedly that it is difficult to see how one could have such disbelief! They deny that God created man and woman to be in union, they deny all the countenance of man woman marriage is exclusive, they deny that abstinence is the only alternative given and they systematically deny what all the passages that condemn same sex relations say. They add words, they replace words and they take words away. So for example with Genesis 19, "They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them" they refuse to acknowledge that yada here means having sex even though in Genesis 4 Adam yada Eve and conceived Cain. They substitute angels for men, even though we know it was angels the men said bring the men out. And they consider it rape even though Lot offers his virgin daughters which would if it were rape make in their words heterosexual rape ok, but homosexal rape not ok.
I mean when they deny Romans 1, 'men abandoning the natural use of women' and commiting indecent acts with other men, means all men, I wonder what they would say if someone suggested love your neighbour doesnt mean homosexuals?
Whilst the Bible tells us God created woman for man they have decided He didn't and have created the idea that He created not according to anatomy but according to human feelings so they look at the Bible to see if or how the sexuality concept they have created, fits in.

On top of that they have no scriptural countenance for same sex sexual relations. They sometimes cite Jonathan and David as an example of homosexuals in the Bible, but even if it were true, which it isnt, David and Jonathan were married so they woudl be bisexual in LGBT terms.

It is one big lie.

and what I also note is when one quotes what the Bible says they respond, 'thats just your interpretation' they then quote other Bible vers back as though we wont respond likewise. This is the problem, there is a spiritual barrier.

Anyone who supports gay marriage has been bewitched.
It points to end of times where everything is turned up side down. it's Satan's time to give you what you all want. but that path leads only to misery.
It's a full on insult to God and his creation. and one must be foolish not to be able to see it.
A good woman helps a man to become much more than he ever would of been.

I agree that from looking at the Bible a sweeping surge of love for homosexuality does show a serious degradation. Regardless of Sodom and the paganism of the OT peoples, the early Christians had to live with it in the Greek and Roman empires.
So how do we witness with love, to non-believers who are in same sex relations or who have same sex attractions, when we have so called Christians in our churches who want to bless it? I say so called on the basis of 1 Corinthians 5 where it instructs the believers to expel those who merely call themselves brothers but wilfully support sexual immorality.

Let me say that I have been banned from quite a few Christian websites on the issue. On the last one I asked the moderators why when the forum rules prohibited any promotion of homosexuality, the liberal section had sub forum statement of purpose that said its theology did not consider homosexuality wrong or sinful and no posts were allowed saying it was. I pointed out that if I posted scriptures such as Genesis 19, Leviticus 18 or 20, 1 Corinthians 6:9, Romans 1 etc. it would be against their theology. It was a direct avoidance of the rules.
The moderator posted that the forum advisors thanked me for pointing it out and that the wording would be changed. It never was. So I merely posted the verses in that section on a thread that was defending homosexuality and .. I got warned by the posters there that the mods would remove me. I quoted what the Mod has said and the next thing without any warning or communication I was banned from the forum and my IP blocked. And this is typical of the attitude of an increasing minority in the church. A good example is the ECUSA in the Anglican Communion, it is prepared to evict its own members and hold the rest of the majority communion to ransom with impaired communion just to get its way on homosexuality.

This is what is going on. Homosexuality is the new issue for society, society wants to rid any objection to it.

Sure for the world we continue sacrificial loving and serving, but how do we respond to the issue within the church?

Regardless God will always be more powerful than a pack of savage pole fancies.