When Jesus comes...

David H. · Mar 8, 2022

When Jesus comes, he will take his bride which consists of the faithful in the church. when Jesus comes, he will recruit his saints to be part of his army of 10,000 saints. The deeds of the saints are the garment given to the faithful bride. When Jesus comes he will first come in the wrath of the lamb as judgment begins at the house of God, and he will separate the tares from the faithful, and cast those tares into the fire of the wrath of God. When Jesus comes he will ride out on his white horse and his army of saints and carry out the wrath of God on the nations. While this is occurring the bride is in heaven, making herself ready for the wedding.

This all happens simultaneously and is known as the day of Christ, which ushers in the day of the LORD and the Wrath of God. There are no second chances (AKA Tribulation saints), you either are among the faithful or the saints, or you are not and will face the wrath of God. The strong delusion is to believe that you have a second chance to reach repentance, this is the lie straight from hell. Are you ready for the coming of the King of Kings?

1stCenturyLady · Mar 8, 2022

David H. said:
When Jesus comes, he will take his bride which consists of the faithful in the church. when Jesus comes, he will recruit his saints to be part of his army of 10,000 saints. The deeds of the saints are the garment given to the faithful bride. When Jesus comes he will first come in the wrath of the lamb as judgment begins at the house of God, and he will separate the tares from the faithful, and cast those tares into the fire of the wrath of God. When Jesus comes he will ride out on his white horse and his army of saints and carry out the wrath of God on the nations. While this is occurring the bride is in heaven, making herself ready for the wedding.

This all happens simultaneously and is known as the day of Christ, which ushers in the day of the LORD and the Wrath of God. There are no second chances (AKA Tribulation saints), you either are among the faithful or the saints, or you are not and will face the wrath of God. The strong delusion is to believe that you have a second chance to reach repentance, this is the lie straight from hell. Are you ready for the coming of the King of Kings?

Just one comment and question. Jesus does not come before the Tribulation, and as soon as the Tribulation starts, a strong delusion comes on the unsaved, so WHO are the Tribulation saints.

GISMYS_7 · Mar 8, 2022

PTL. The rapture (catching up of all believers) comes before Jesus returns with the raptured saints to defeat all evil and set up His kingdom on earth.

David H. · Mar 8, 2022

1stCenturyLady said:
Just one comment and question. Jesus does not come before the Tribulation, and as soon as the Tribulation starts, a strong delusion comes on the unsaved, so WHO are the Tribulation saints.

The tribulation saints are a concept that Pre-tribbers need to make up in order to make their eschatology work to explain why the saints are seen on the earth until Revelation 14. It is a dangerous concept that gives a false hope of a second chance. I Am Pre wrath in my rapture beliefs BTW.

GISMYS_7 said:
PTL. The rapture (catching up of all believers) comes before Jesus returns with the raptured saints to defeat all evil and set up His kingdom on earth.

True, But I am not a pre tribber in my beliefs, so we will enter the Great tribulation. Jesus only comes once at the second advent, and all those things happen simultaneously.

GISMYS_7 · Mar 9, 2022

Rapture haters no worries!! Those that are not looking for the rapture will not be caught up==they will be left behind and must try to live under anti-Christ rule====their choice!!

David H. · Mar 9, 2022

GISMYS_7 said:
Rapture haters no worries!! Those that are not looking for the rapture will not be caught up==they will be left behind and must try to live under anti-Christ rule====their choice!!

I Believe in a pre-wrath rapture, so I am not a "rapture hater". I Just know that the saints of the church will face the wrath of Satan, which is the great tribulation. "And he shall make war on the saints and overcome them..."(Revelation 13:7, Daniel 7:21)
"Here is the patience and the faith of the saints." (Revelation 13:10)
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." (Revelation 14:12)

Behold · Mar 9, 2022

David H. said:
Jesus comes he will first come in the wrath of the lamb as judgment begins at the house of God,

This that you wrote is nonsense.
Its taken from some cult commentary and has nothing to do with the Rapture, or the 2nd Advent, or the "end times"

Listen carefully reader.

The born again, are the "house of God".= "temple of the Holy Spirit"
Jesus, before the Cross said..>"Father, if possible, let this CUP pass from ME".

See that "CUP"......reader?
That is ALL the JUDGMENT OF GOD, that will ever fall on a Born again Christian.
Christ was SLAIN, painfully, till he DIED.... then He went to hell....and that is FULL the "CUP" of God's Judgment poured out on JESUS< instead of on YOU>!

Understand?

So, when a heretic, a devil led deceiver tries to make you believe that God's Judgment is waiting to Get you, then realize that they are lying to you, and lift up your hands and give God PRAISE that He has JUDGED CHRIST instead of judging you.

Christ bore ALL you sin and went to hell.....and that is the judgment for YOUR sin.......lain on Him...if you are born again, and not just water baptized and religious.
You will never be judged down here....if you are born again...as Christ has already been judged for you, down here, 2000 yrs ago.

Ronald Nolette · Mar 9, 2022

David H. said:
When Jesus comes, he will take his bride which consists of the faithful in the church. when Jesus comes, he will recruit his saints to be part of his army of 10,000 saints. The deeds of the saints are the garment given to the faithful bride. When Jesus comes he will first come in the wrath of the lamb as judgment begins at the house of God, and he will separate the tares from the faithful, and cast those tares into the fire of the wrath of God. When Jesus comes he will ride out on his white horse and his army of saints and carry out the wrath of God on the nations. While this is occurring the bride is in heaven, making herself ready for the wedding.

This all happens simultaneously and is known as the day of Christ, which ushers in the day of the LORD and the Wrath of God. There are no second chances (AKA Tribulation saints), you either are among the faithful or the saints, or you are not and will face the wrath of God. The strong delusion is to believe that you have a second chance to reach repentance, this is the lie straight from hell. Are you ready for the coming of the King of Kings?

Well as the church WILL NOT have to face teh 70th week of Daniel, aka the tribulation. that is moot. There is no more wrath of God for His saints!

Davy · Mar 9, 2022

GISMYS_7 said:
Rapture haters no worries!! Those that are not looking for the rapture will not be caught up==they will be left behind and must try to live under anti-Christ rule====their choice!!

Now that is major false speaking against The Word of God!

There is no true believer on Christ Jesus that denies the "caught up" idea that Apostle Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 4!

But there are many true believers on Christ that flat DENY that FALSE doctrine from men that we should be the 1st one taken! It's amazing that you will NOT read and heed the very last verse of Luke 17:37 that reveals Jesus' answer when His disciples asked Him "Where, Lord?" that 1st one would be taken to. Wheresoever the fowls are gathered to feast on a dead carcase is DEFINITELY not being gathered to Jesus!

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

Luke 17:37
37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV

Daniel L. · Mar 9, 2022

GISMYS_7 said:
they will be left behind

2 Esdras 13:24 Know this therefore, that they which be left behind are more blessed than they that be dead.

David H. · Mar 9, 2022

Behold said:
This that you wrote is nonsense.
Its taken from some cult commentary and has nothing to do with the Rapture, or the 2nd Advent, or the "end times"

That comes straight from the word of God, it is known as the separation of the wheat from the tares.... not some cult commentary. Remember, they were allowed to grow together in the field (the church) until the time of Harvest. Those false Christians growing in the church will be separated and cast into the fire of the wrath of God.... better make sure your house is in order and reach repentance as there will be no second chance.

GRACE ambassador · Mar 10, 2022

David H. said:
When Jesus comes, he will take his bride which consists of the faithful in the church.

Precious friends: ALL Of The Body Of CHRIST (the ONE New man, not ~~bride~~
Ephesians 2:15), Will Be Taken to Heaven, for JUDGMENT! Else how are
Paul's words, from CHRIST, HIS Word of Truth?

1Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and
EVERY [faithful AND UNfaithful] man shall receive his own reward
according to his own [faithful OR UNfaithful] labour.

1Co 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye
are God's building. (q: HOW, exactly, are "the lost" labourers WITH God?)

1Co 3:10 According to The GRACE Of God Which Is Given unto me, as a
wise masterbuilder, I have laid The Foundation, and another buildeth Thereon.
But let EVERY man Take Heed how he buildeth Thereupon.

1Co 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than That Is Laid, Which Is JESUS CHRIST.

1Co 3:12 Now if ANY man build upon This Foundation gold, silver, precious stones,
wood, hay, stubble; (friend, HOW are you building on THE Foundation?)

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for The {JUDGMENT} Day
shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try
EVERY man's work of what sort it is. (Correct, OR false?)

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built Thereupon,
he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but
he himself Shall Be Saved; yet so as by fire.
+
2Ti_2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with HIM: {reward?}
if we deny Him, He also will deny us {loss of reward?}:

GRACE And Peace...

quietthinker · Mar 10, 2022

1stCenturyLady said:
Just one comment and question. Jesus does not come before the Tribulation, and as soon as the Tribulation starts, a strong delusion comes on the unsaved, so WHO are the Tribulation saints.

The delusion is not how people expect it to be....or when they expect it to be.

1stCenturyLady · Mar 11, 2022

quietthinker said:
The delusion is not how people expect it to be....or when they expect it to be.

Scripture tells us.

GRACE ambassador · Mar 11, 2022

op: When Jesus comes...

1stCenturyLady said:
Just one comment and question. Jesus does not come before the Tribulation, and as soon as the Tribulation starts, a strong delusion comes on the unsaved, so WHO are the Tribulation saints.

The delusion Before Jesus comes? Or, after? Which make more sense?:

1) "Before Jesus comes" would mean The Gospel Of GRACE has not ended,
and The Body Of Christ (still here) would be "trib saints," and NO others, as
there would be no MORE NEW trib saints, since, as you say: "ALL the
UNsaved are under delusion" (and NO more preaching necessary), Correct?

However, IF:

2) After JESUS (with NO signs) comes, According To The "Revelation
Of The Mystery," for The Body Of CHRIST, and takes them to
Heaven, Ending The "Dispensation Of GRACE," Then:

a) God, resumes His Prophetic program, with the "gospel of the kingdom,"
for ISRAEL, And the nations, And:

b)
2Th 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord
shall consume with the spirit of His Mouth, and shall destroy with
the brightness of His (with signs, 2nd prophesied) coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them
that perish; because they received not The Love of The Truth,
that they might be saved..."

Of course, not all are deceived, Only those who "received not The
Love Of The Truth (The Gospel Of GRACE, before IT Ended!)"

2Th 2:11 "...And for This Cause God shall Send them Strong Delusion,
that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not The
(Previous GRACE) Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
Correct?

c) ALL of the rest of the (non-delusional) UNsaved, In Great Tribulation, will
then have "the gospel of the kingdom" preached to them, by 144,000, Two
Witnesses, and "an angel" (Rev 14:6). They will then make their choice,
Correct?

These who "choose to believe" then are "the Great Tribulation saints"
who will then be "enduring to the end (or martyred)." Correct?

Further Confirmation in the next two posts...

GRACE ambassador · Mar 11, 2022

Part I

God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:

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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)

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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The
Second Coming, is found in God's Context:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In God's Other Context:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9!)

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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army *, “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)

(5) With Another trumpet (AFTER "the 7th angel trumpet” in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are SENT, By The KING, TO: “gather the elect”...
(Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew 25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew 25:34-46!)

To be continued...

GRACE ambassador · Mar 11, 2022

Part II

(Previously) The Second Coming, According to earthly Prophecy:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4:16!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:52-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1 Corinthians 3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22;
1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJB!)

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Free Gift Of Eternal Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Please Be Very Richly Edified, Encouraged, And Comforted! And:

Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ ↑

Nancy · Mar 11, 2022

Ronald Nolette said:
Well as the church WILL NOT have to face teh 70th week of Daniel, aka the tribulation. that is moot. There is no more wrath of God for His saints!

No, we are NOT going to go through His wrath, but we sill certainly have to go through much tribulation from Satan...

Enoch111 · Mar 11, 2022

GISMYS_7 said:
PTL. The rapture (catching up of all believers) comes before Jesus returns with the raptured saints to defeat all evil and set up His kingdom on earth.

Don't forget he is limiting the saints to just 10,000 (without a shred of biblical evidence). David H has created his own confusing and confused scenario with a mishmash of prophecies. So here is the proper sequence:

1. The Pre-Tribulation Resurrection/Rapture (not limited to 10,000)
2. The Tribulation
3. The Great Tribulation
4. The Marriage of the Lamb
5. The Second Coming of Christ
6. The resurrection of the Tribulation saints
7. The Millennium

Ronald Nolette · Mar 12, 2022

Nancy said:
No, we are NOT going to go through His wrath, but we sill certainly have to go through much tribulation from Satan...

Yes Jesus promised us much tribulation while on earth. but there is a difference from the tribulation spoken of in John and THE tribulation or 70th week of Daniel spoken of in Revelation and throughout the Scriptures. It is a specific time frame with specific punishments for specific purposes.

When Jesus comes...

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